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On 9/25/2023 at 8:56 AM, Allen2Moulds said:
I think when it's 3rd or 4th and a foot, he needs to be under center. Defenses have to alot the proper resources to defend, which typically create great opportunities for both play action and bootlegs. When we go into shotgun, we completely eliminate it.
Why do you think shotgun eliminates play action and bootlegs?
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16 hours ago, boyst said:
C) our cover 2 defense needs a Rocky type change. Learn to fight right handed. Learn to fight cover 1, cover 3, learn to play man this week.
We've hardly played straight Cover 2 this year. We've played Cover 3 and Cover 1 more than any other coverage by quite a significant margin.
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17 hours ago, boyst said:
We lack speed, so cover 2 would be hard - cover 1 is fine.
What is the logic here?
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Don't know if it's been mentioned yet in this thread or not, but we better have a plan for motions. So much of what Miami does is getting number advantages/getting leverage on your force defender through motioning. McDaniel is the best in the league at taking advantage of teams using motion right now. Going to be a lot on Bernard and/or the Secondary (depending on call) this week to make pre-snap adjustments to get us lined up correctly and in the correct coverage calls based off those motions.
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5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:
*dorsey* I think I run shotgun draws from here on out
*basic fans* Every run out of shotgun is a draw 😏 (I kid, I kid)
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12 hours ago, HappyDays said:
Bernard is proving that MLB is a devalued position. In pure talent the drop off from Edmunds to him is massive, and yet the defense as a whole is performing just as well if not better than last year.
Why do you say that? I think Bernard is every bit as athletic as Edmunds is - he's just half the size. The size/speed combination is what made Edmunds a first rounder and Bernard a third. To be honest the way Bernard is flying around it reminds of a young Milano. Guy plays with relentless effort, is not afraid to throw his body around, and plays fast (which screams instincts and confidence). He can get bullied when OL are able to climb to the second level - just like any other linebacker would. Good thing is we can scheme to allow him to be a free flower in most situations.
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Just now, Fleezoid said:
Possibly. Not sure how the snap is timed. I'd be worried it would throw the kicker's timing off. Perhaps just delay the snap a bit so the rusher has to stop.
There are no snap counts on FG. Holders usually flash a hand to signify they are ready to receive the snap, but then the snapper has free reign to snap whenever he wants. This is to ensure no one can time up the snap. This is taught at every level. How Miami got away with having the same operation before someone got them on it is baffling.
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1 minute ago, Fan in Chicago said:
Reading this just made me feel football illiterate 😔
I'm here for you big fella! Let me know what's confusing and I can clarify!
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7 minutes ago, QCity said:
It wasn't just a block, the play was designed to score. Check out Miller running down field in case the blocked ball comes to him. Never seen anything like that.
All FG blocks are taught that way. There's always a block guy to one side and a scoop and score guy to the other. This is nothing new.
EDIT: @QCity - not sure what you're disagreeing with. Do some research about FG Block Schemes if you don't believe me. The information is out there lol.
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3 minutes ago, MJS said:
I mean, the "major" adjustment is have a guy ready to block him.
The major adjustment is to vary the snap like it's coached to be. This is what happens when there's poor coaching of special teams.
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9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I have two concerns on defense two weeks in:
1. Alignment. The Touchdown given up was yet another play where we looked misaligned. That os 4 or 5 through 2 weeks and in big spots. Gotta fix that. Hoping it is a time on task thing for Bernard but I wonder if temporarily asking Hyde or Poyer to help would be smart (there is precendent in 2019 on offense when Morse was heavily assisting Josh in calling protections).
2. The safeties do look slow. Shouldn't be a shock given their age and coming off the injuries they have had but both Hyde and Poyer do look like they have lost a step. I'm hoping that they are still knocking a bit of rust off and both have still made some plays when up in the box but I think our secondary may be weaker than we have been used to.
In terms of the first drive yesterday I was never panicked. Josh McDaniels is a good play caller and play designer, they ran their script effectively and efficiently and featured Adams a ton. They were never going to be able to construct an effective plan for the entire game only going to Adams. And once they got past the first 15 the Bills defense won the battle.
Looked like Bernard was trying to bump the front and they didn't move. Ideally you'd want a 3 and 6 to the tight end/wing after that motion. The biggest issue was Poyer getting sucked in. Good play design by the Raiders though showing the down/down from the tackle guard up top before releasing to block the tunnel screen.
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2 hours ago, Hebert19 said:
When von comes back I'd love to see groot used like he was in college. Line him up over center next to Ed or Jones and bring von and Floyd off edge. His length alone would take away passes and he has the skills to beat the center. Not saying he's like micah or myles but he could be used same way. He was a lot in Miami.
We’ve done this before. I see no reason why we wouldn’t do it again.
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9 minutes ago, jahnyc said:
I will be interested to see how much the Bills use 12 personnel today. It was used 66% of the time against the Jets. The offense may need an adjustment period, but I am not sure I fully understand the necessity for such a significant transition in the offense given its overall strength over the last number of seasons. I assume that this is primarily the result of wanting to utilize Kincaid in the offense, but he is a rookie and his blocking seems to something of a project. I am certainly no expert on the various personnel packages used on offense, but does the use 12 personnel to this degree make sense at this point of Kincaid's development? Do we have the right RB, offensive line and TEs to take advantage of the potential mismatches that may be created for the running game as a result of using this package? I don't have the sense that the strength of our offensive line is run blocking. Also, I have thought that Josh's ability to improvise and buy more time are some of his greatest strengths. Would using a strong WR3 be more consistent with those skills?
This notion that we have to do things wildly different in order to get our 12 personnel on the field is baffling to me. We can run the same exact stuff we run out of 11 or 10 with our 12 personnel. It's simply just putting our best 11 players on the field at the same time. That's it.
1 minute ago, jethro_tull said:12 personnel is mainly used for running plays. Some teams actually use 3 TEs.
You must not have watched last week.
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11 hours ago, Beck Water said:
So I pretty much watched the whole thing on Youtube.
I don’t think the limiting Josh’s designed runs is news. I believe McDermott and Beane both talked about it after the season. The word Dorsey used was limiting, not taking out all together.
Obviously to most of us, as a means to limit Josh’s scrambles or the hits he takes when he runs, less designed runs was a “fail” last game. It might be better to put in a couple designed runs early and get Josh some “contact” that he seems to need to settle him.
I’ve never known quite what to make of Dorsey’s pressers. I didn’t like Daboll’s his first year and a half, either - I thought he improved greatly during his time here. Part of that went with improvement in Josh’s play so he wasn’t being called on the carpet by the press, which is what this presser by Dorsey was all about. I don’t want to conflate how a guy comes across in front of the press, with his overall professional competence or his interpersonal abilities 1:1 or with coworkers.
A few thoughts:
-I think Dorsey and Joe Brady have no real clue how to effectively help Josh out of a “Sugar High Josh” superhero mindset. Dorsey said something about “Joe does a great job” (of helping Josh on the sideline). But I can’t recall (maybe I’m missing something) a game where Josh was making unforced error after unforced error and yet pulled it together and turned it around. Anyone else?
-Likewise I think they have no idea how to limit Josh’s running or persuade him to get down or go OOB and take fewer hits. It reminds me of a story where a French nobleman asked the King to intervene on behalf of another nobleman and the King response “I will do what I can for you; I will pray that he leave you alone”. I think all they can do is continue to point it out, and hope Josh absorbs it and makes changes.
-Dorsey sounded most sincere when he said he had all the confidence in the world in Josh and when he said ‘all these guys want to be coached’. That makes me feel that at least outside the actual game, Dorsey has confidence in his relationship with Josh and feels that Josh respects him and listens to him.
-I think their plan at this point is to hope this was a 1 game aberration and that Josh will take accountability and correct himself
Time will tell.
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I heard a lot of concern from Dorsey for his own play calling and for scheme to put the right guys in the right places. So I think at the least, he feels the need to re-examine his play calling and even aspects of his play design. As he should, but how deep or broad this is can’t say.
6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:It's a fair point - that the last 19 games (i.e. the Dorsey era) is an arbitrary mark. But even if we count Jacksonville as the starting point, he had 4 multiple INT games in his last 12 under Daboll's coaching and since then it is 7 in 19. That is an uptick. It might feel like it is a relatively small change ratio wise but given the small numbers here that matters. But as you are aware, I am not particularly arguing that it is Dorsey's fault. And even if the pattern starts with Jax 2021 I would say the pattern escalates (not the right word but you take my point) with Green Bay last year. It is 6 multiple INT games in 13 since that day. That is where it basically goes from 1 in 3 or close thereto (5 in 18 post between Jax 2021 and GB 2022) to 1 in 2.
I think they have to look at everything and Dorsey and his game planning is part of it, but I have to say I think it is mostly (not exclusively) Josh. I don't think he is the same guy. I didn't think he was down the stretch last year, but because the game after Green Bay was the Jets and the elbow injury I just put it down to that. I am worried now. Genuinely worried. Because I think there is something else going on. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing an elite Josh Allen performance on Sunday. Then we can take a breath and say okay it's still there let's build his confidence back up and make sure he has the right support. My concern is we will see another scratchy day where things just don't look right with our Quarterback and the people saying the fix is to give him more easy throws.... well you are right to say they were all there for him on MNF. Dorsey didn't call a perfect game, but there were plenty of chain movers there for Allen on every drive. He just was either not seeing them or deciding not to take them as he bailed clean pockets and forced balls into double / triple coverage.
To both of your points. Dorsey is absolutely a more aggressive play caller than Daboll is. That being said there are very few times where I see a concept called that is just plain bad to what the defense is giving them coverage-wise. I think we saw Dorsey take another step this past week in his use of personnel. We played a ton of 12 personnel, but not in conventional 12 personnel sets. There's a lot of really good things we can do out of those sets, and a lot of really good things we did do out of those sets that make things extremely hard on a defense and the personnel they choose to put out on the field. The advantages that can be gained in match-ups are endless so I'm encouraged to see that continue to grow throughout the season.
I do think that a big thing that isn't really being talked about is the fact that Dorsey calls it from the box unlike Daboll who was on the field for a large portion of his time here (I feel like there was a time he called from the box as well? Can't remember). Josh needs someone to reel him in when he starts getting wild. Daboll was not afraid to do that. I remember multiple times seeing Josh getting his butt ripped by Daboll on the sideline. I don't recall ever seeing Brady do this, but I do think Dorsey would if he were on the field. I wonder if having that OC presence on the field would help reel Josh in a little more. On the flip side - how much does that impact Dorsey's ability to call a game though.
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16 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:
Agree...
Wrong thread (kind of) but since I have your attention and I do (most of us do) trust your insight...
And comments or thoughts on this? I literally just had this pop up on Twitter. I want to go back and watch the entire thing...
This isn't new. The QB run game has been drastically reduced for some time now.
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5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
In a tight situation like that? Really? I'd be interested to hear more.
Yeah, more often than not when formations are condensed your corner will be primary force. The issue on that play was no one had the first gap inside the widest tight end.
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On 9/13/2023 at 7:45 AM, GunnerBill said:
Correct but as I said straight away in the GDT thread a running back running off tackle should never have the corner be the only man in contain or the first contact. There was clearly an alignment mistake.
Bernard got better at liming them up as the game went on. It is where no pre-season hurts him.
This isn't true. There's plenty of scenarios where the corner can and will be the force player.
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15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Okay I understand what you're saying. But from my perspective it doesn't look like Sauce took away the corner route, right? He wasn't the reason the play didn't work, it was the fact that Whitehead perfectly read the play with assistance from Davis and jumped into the window. I think Josh read it as Sauce cheating to the flat and took the high throw as a result. You're saying he should have read it as a muddled high/low and defaulted to the low throw.
Discussions like this are what make all-22 analysis so fascinating. The truth is none of us know what Josh is being told about this play in his film review.
Yeah, Sauce played in no mans land in between both routes which muddied the read. Josh should have just taken the sure thing underneath. In reality it was a culmination of a bunch of bad. Josh didn't read it well, Davis ran a lazy route, and Josh threw a ball low and behind his receiver on an out breaking route.
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27 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I don't think this was a deep to shallow read. Allen is just reading the CB. If he cheats to the flat, which he did, the corner route is the read. I'll give credit to Whitehead for figuring out what was happening and making a play on the ball. The concept doesn't work if the safety isn't worried about Davis running a vertical or post. Also the pass was not precise, it was a little behind Davis and in a tight window that makes a difference between incompletion and interception.
This is correct. Specifically in this concept you are reading the defender - not working a receiver progression. If the corner sits you throw the over, if he bails you throw the under, if it's murky you throw the under because it's the safer of the two options.
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10 hours ago, HappyDays said:
I know you're literally a professional so maybe I'm out of my depth here or misunderstanding you, but isn't a corner/smash route on a high/low concept classically a cover 2 beater? Like fundamentally that is the best way to beat cover 2 outside the numbers?
Just to be sure I'm not talking out of my ass I found plenty of articles that indicate the same. Here's one that explains it best:
https://www.espn.com/ncf/columns/davie/1437187.html
To the section I bolded, Davis totally failed to do that. He did not fake a vertical route which means he did not freeze Whitehead which gave Whitehead easy access to the ball. Allen sees Sauce cheat towards Kincaid so he throws the high concept to Davis. The pass itself was not as far to the sideline as you'd like but to me this was more a failure of Davis to run his route properly.
Again I know you do this for a living so let me know if I'm missing something.
It is because it puts the Corner in conflict. It's a great concept against what the Jets gave us, Josh just threw it to the wrong guy. The Corner will play the concept top down (take away the corner and force the ball to be thrown underneath), which is exactly what happened. The throw should have went to Kincaid.
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Just now, 34-78-83 said:
Ok, it sounds like the all-22 full view perspective offers that more readily than what his zoom-in shows. And your 4-3 Over familiarity is appreciated. I still would like to think a full group-shift left call (just the distance it takes to get Bernard directly behind Groot, and Milano centered to the O-line) would have benefited angles and leverage like Erik was seemingly alluding to, but idk for sure.
Sure but then that makes Micah your field side A gap run fitter which isn’t something they would do.
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29 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:
see what you think of Erik's take on it starting at 5:22
Yeah, I watched that after the user posted it. Erik says it's just his opinion and what he's saying is logical from the standpoint of just trying to put bodies in gaps, but when you look at the defense wholistically it doesn't really make a ton of sense. We're showing a true 4-3 over front pre-snap to their 13 personnel set. Rapp and Epenesa are clearly working an exchange to the field (Epenesa pinching to B gap while Rapp works C). Everyone else is playing their gap integrity vs the Duo Run Concept they get. Backers see it quick and react quick - really good reads by both of them. We're disguising our Hole coverage as Quarters pre-snap (which is why I don't think a timeout was called - we wouldn't know until the safeties start rolling the wrong way that we're not gapped out and by that point it's too late). Micah is rolling into the box but to a covered gap. Structurally we wouldn't ever put our Mike outside the box and keep our Will inside the box, plus we would never ask a Safety to be an A gap fitter, so the backer shift doesn't make sense.
9 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:I posted the film break down in this thread. Cover 1 showed exactly how they were misaligned. It was the linebackers.
No, Cover 1 gave their opinion.
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5 hours ago, TwistofFate said:
The LBs were misaligned. They should all have shifted over to the right.
Doesn't look like the LBs at all. Looks like we rolled coverage the wrong way. The DL stunts and Backer fits are all working in tandem. Micah is rolling down into a covered gap. He's the outlier.
6 hours ago, TD716 said:He blitzed the whole second level of the defense on that play. I agree we should be more aggressive compared to the last few years but there is no way Zach Wilson is driving 95 yards for a score
Wasn't a blitz at all. Just dudes being dudes and reading keys and filling gaps fast.
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33 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
This is the point that Allen decides to throw to Davis on that Int. It doesn't look like a bad read to me. He isn't really throwing into double coverage like people are crying about. It just ends up that way due to route, time, and ball placement. Sure he could throw to kincaid here who would get nailed by the time the ball got there by the same guy that is "double covering Davis." He could also throw to Diggs, who Allen hasn't even looked at because he read Davis. Diggs would also be nailed by the time Josh looked his way and the ball got there. Look at the space towards the sideline. Thats a play that could have and should have happened IMO. It just didn't.
I'll blame Allen for the Int here but I am not going to blame the decision. He isn't "double covered." A better route and ball and thats 15-20 easy yards.
Except he’s throwing a Smash concept into Cover 2. Corners are taught to play that too down essentially bracketing the Corner route Davis ran. He should have just taken the underneath to Kincaid.
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Dan Orlovsky on the Bills Offense Yesterday
in The Stadium Wall
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No, not every mesh is an RPO out of gun.
This trend should be true for most QBs.