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3 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

I don't think that's it as much as their insistence on trying to force a running game out of the shotgun formation.  

Your run game doesn’t magically improve by going under center…

[Kaiir Elam is a liability any time he is on the field]

8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Yes, Doug Pederson implemented the Kaiir Elam plan. I also think his badness is why the Bills blitzed so much - whoever he was covering was going to get open.

We blitzed because we weren’t getting any penetration with 4. Multiple opportunities for coverage sacks today but couldn’t even collapse the pocket. What’s disheartening is Kaiir was put in position as that boundary corner to be in mostly man situations but lost leverage or didn’t understand what leverage to play with many times.

 

However, lack of execution offensively is why we lost this game.

[Bills vs Jags from London 1st Half Thread]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Lol I don’t think anyone is saying to do it every snap…you’re criticizing a play where the first read was comically wide open. 

I wasn’t criticizing anything. Was quoting the dude who said we should have run it vs their “comically light box” - which you’re gonna get literally every time you go empty.

[Bills vs Jags from London 1st Half Thread]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

On third and two, yes, genius

Good. What scheme you got there smart guy?

[Bills vs Jags from London 1st Half Thread]

Just now, mannc said:

Josh Allen is a runner…understand the game

So go empty and go QB run game every snap. Got it 😏😉

[Bills vs Jags from London 1st Half Thread]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Jags had an an absurdly light box there.  

Because it was empty…. Understand the game…

[Elam a healthy scratch part deux (now part TRES) (now part QUATRO)]

12 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

I know the difference between a boundary and field corner. I was a coach in college and High School but thanks for dummies book. I don't know why it was directed at my comment about Siran Neal. Its clear that Benford and Jackson will be the starters moving forward. If your argument is that Neal is a boundary corner vs Elam who is a field corner and Elam will get in before Neal about that then maybe you should explain that. 

What makes you say Elam is a field corner?

[It was always play action.]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Well, it has now.

It's probably because 90+% of the people here don't have a firm grasp of it, myself included.

 

Would you care to enlighten us?

In English?

The mesh is just one part of the formula for what sells the action as a whole. The blocking scheme up front is another part of that formula. You want your pass protection to mirror the same look as one of your run schemes. The easiest, and probably most prevalent in the NFL when under center, is to mimic stretch since the OL is moving horizontally. We did this a number of times this past week. Dorsey actually dialed up a really cool protection where they showed stretch blocking and after about a two or three count Morse spun back to pick up the free edge rusher (it was the big pass to Cook on the sideline). This is why RPOs are so successful though. You can scheme to get a linebacker to go wherever you want them to go, and if they don't then just hand it off because they won't have the numbers to fit the run.

[Elam's issues]

4 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Idk everything McD says is that Kair has acted like a true professional. He’s not going to come out and say he has a crap attitude but at the same time he wouldn’t do the exact opposite and praise his professionalism if it was really an issue.

 

I think it’s highly likely that Elam is taking longer to grab the nuances of a zone D than the team anticipated when we drafted him. He’s got the physical skills, but he’s gotta get the “feel” of the zone like Benford and Bernard have and not be thinking out there too much about where exactly he has to be.

 

One thing about this staff is except for Teller, they don’t give up on players too soon. If Elam gets traded at some point I’m confident it’s because he just couldn’t pick up the system and not for lack of opportunity.

 

There's no "feel". It's all rule based. Dude will either get it or he won't. I don't buy into any of this about him not understanding how to play zone coverage. There's no team in the world that runs just man coverage. His time with the Bills isn't the first time he's had to learn zone coverages or play in zone coverages. Other dudes have just out-performed him or been more consistent than him. That doesn't mean he's a bust and can't do it - just means there's dudes who are playing better.

 

I am really curious what we do now though. Benford and Dane really and truly are both field corners. They stuck Benford at the boundary spot after Tre went down, but I don't know if that'll stick going forward.

2 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Usually when you blitz you want to play some level of man coverage behind it - perhaps we were looking to blitz more.  

This isn't true...

[It was always play action.]

I like that we're 4 pages in and OL blocking scheme hasn't been brought up once.

[Elam's issues]

13 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Bottomline is Tre works extremely hard and is smarter (High School Valedictorian). Elam works harder but is likely not as smart as Tre. So you have two 1st round corners one who is one of the smartest in the NFL and is the hardest worker. That is a tough bar to clear if you are Elam.  As for Benford and Jackson it is my opinion that the Bills CB 2 is likely more a position of dealing with WR 2 and that is less demanding athletically. 

It's not. We play with field and boundary corners. They don't travel with receivers.

[Defensive coverage schemes]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I mean I've coached and scouted for a long time and I certainly like listening to other coaches and their ideas 

 

But minimal effort and YouTube usually don't go hand in hand

 

You need thousands of subscribers usually.. which means putting in hours of content and work 

 

I certainly don't think it's as simple as post a video boom .. 500 dollars 

For sure. I was referring more to the audio only podcasts.

[Defensive coverage schemes]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't think there's much supplemental income in there

 

Unless your name is Jordan Palmer or Ryan Clark.. baldinger... unless you have an NFL name next to you

 

Most people you see on Twitter and YouTube are amateur scouts and coaches... 

 

Basically doing it for the Love of the game

 

The cover one guys can do it, cuz they aren't full-time regional scouts or varsity or College coaches 

 

If You're the head coach at canisius you don't have time for a YouTube channel.. you're preparing a game plan for a top team in Ohio.. going to practice and watching film... Having meetings with other coaches

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’ve coached with a few guys who have done some podcast stuff. They won’t ever get rich off of it but they make a decent chunk of extra change for fairly minimal effort. Course it’s other coaches listening to the stuff they’re doing.

[It was always play action.]

17 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

....you do realize there's just as many draws behind center as in the gun. The main difference is a "delayed handoff" or draw from behind C at least allows the rb a small head start.....

Sorry, it just amuses me that every run out of shotgun is a draw to most fans.

[Defensive coverage schemes]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You're way better off coaching then trying to be an internet football guru

Supplemental income my friend. There’s so many coaches these days doing the YouTube/Podcast thing. Honestly don’t know where they get the time for it.

[Defensive coverage schemes]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I don't think they make that much money

 

They don't even have Buffalo press credentials 

Tragic...

[Defensive coverage schemes]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Here is what Bills ran alot of against Miami.

 

Palms or Cathy coverage concepts. 

 

https://www.xandolabs.com/the-lab/defense/coverage/two-high-coverage-structures/palms-and-cathy-coverage-adjustments-to-open-sets/

 

https://steelersdepot.com/2017/05/film-room-keith-butlers-palms-coverage/

 

https://throwdeeppublishing.com/blogs/news/one-coverage-that-solves-a-ton-of-problems

We ran a bunch of split field coverage as opposed to just straight Quarters. Basically what I thought we'd do - Cloud Tyreek and play Quarters opposite. Had a couple variations of it where we zoned the whole quarters side or locked #1 and played Combo on 2&3. Played some 2 Man in 3rd and long situations, and brought some early down pressures rolling 3 behind it. Hyde did a great job with coverage check all day.

[It was always play action.]

30 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Sure but I guess which holds the defender longer.  seems a bit harder to find the ball when one player could be running the opposite direction from the RB (versus standing next to them or not running as fast)

One player could be running the opposite direction from the RB out of gun too. The length of time it holds defenders depends on the action.

[Defensive coverage schemes]

On 9/27/2023 at 10:08 AM, HoofHearted said:

I still don't know what you mean by this. Corners won't chase crossers in 2.

 

I assume we'll likely Cloud whichever side Tyreek is on and play Quarters to the other when we want to sit in coverage. If they get into 3x1 sets with Tyreek at 2 or 3 we'll likely lock our Corner on #1 and play Cloud to the interior two receivers. This guarantees we always have help over the top on him. If we want to bring 5 man pressures we'll roll 3. I don't see us playing much man outside of the redzone unless we're in 2 Man.

Cover 1, I'm ready to enter contract negotiations whenever you are 😉.

[It was always play action.]

14 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I've always hated the shotgun draw. It completely neutralizes the speed of Cook.  Now with 3 different rbs, we have the luxury to freeze lbs and take a few shots downfield.  We as fans have been screaming for it (along with more motion) and its finally happening.  Hats off to Dorsey & McD recognizing this missing piece.

"the shotgun draw" 😂

[It was always play action.]

16 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

What seems to matter (and would like to see some data) is if the formation is under center or not.  My thought is under center the ball gets hidden better and thus the LBs come a bit further forward.  I also suspect a down and distance aspect to this.  3 & 10 is not gonna bring the LBs up as much as 3 & 3.  

Under center or not - a mesh action is going to hold any defender keying the mesh a split second.

[Frazier and/or his System hurt player development]

2 hours ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

The biggest difference could be that Sean has a better Dline than Leslie ever had. I don't think enough people recognize that. Adding Leonard Floyd to the mix of DaQuon Jones, a healthy Ed Oliver and Greg Rousseau entering his breakout 3rd season was huge. 

It definitely makes a difference. McDermott seems more willing to dial up pressures on early downs than Frazier was as well and it's reflected in the shift in coverages we're playing compared to last year.

[Dolphins @ Bills Postgame thread]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I’m with you that it’s not a gimmick offence as Miami will cause problems all season.

 

But Miami is a timing based offence and Tua is an 80 percent first read thrower.

 

It seemed like the bills caused a lot of issues disrupting that first read which caused problems for Tua

 

Do you think teams can replicate that? 

All offenses are timing based to one degree or another. Miami is a half field read team. They design concepts that read at most two defenders, and create movement that pulls players out of position (i.e. Milano getting thrown over on the Y pop early in the game). They do a really good job at creating numerical advantages with their motions as well as putting your force defender in conflict. Add all this to the fact that they make their money on attacking conflict defenders - of course he's an 80% first read thrower - it's a product of the play design. That is what offensive coordinators strive for - their first read to be open every time lol. To call that a gimmick is amusing - it's just well designed and executed play calling.

 

The Bills did a really good job of mixing up coverages and switching off who the force defender was. That's what led to the muddied reads.

[Dolphins @ Bills Postgame thread]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I think we are the first team that wised up to using the motion to help us jump the snap count for whatever reason.  the DL was all over the throwing lanes right off the snap. There seems to be a disadvantage to the way the dolphins use motion that wasn’t really capitalized on until this week.  

DL wouldn't be able to see it. All the short motion outside is completely out of their view. It's possible an off-ball rusher could time those, but it turns into the same type of situation with the New England FG block that everyone was enamored with - as long as there is variation in it offensively it's not something you can time up.

[Dolphins @ Bills Postgame thread]

20 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Don't believe me? Listen to an actual dolphin fanatic

 

 

 

Oh good, I'll listen to some other fan who doesn't know squat about football lol. Does Miami run a ton of full field reads? No. Neither does the majority of the NFL. Welcome to the modern passing game my man. Half field reads - reading single defenders who you're scheming to put into conflict so they can't be right regardless of where they go. Which makes what we were able to do all that more impressive.

 

EDIT: By the way I lost interest when buddy said we switched to playing almost exclusively man coverage in the middle of the 2nd Quarter lol.