HoofHearted
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6 hours ago, arcane said:
Sorry to double-ask, there is an extensive argument clogging the thread though - what level does this guy coach at? Pretty cool to have him here.
@HoofHearted, how would you rank some of these guys in terms of how trustworthy their content is? Guys like Erik Turner, Joe Marino, and then league-wide; Brett Kollmann, JT O'Sullivan, if you've seen them (Obviously JT should be pretty good since he spent a decade in NFL QB rooms)
I just ask because I'm dedicating a fairly significant amount of time to learning this game better and want to make sure I am getting good info when I watch stuff. It's surprisingly hard to piece together stuff you need to be able to eventually break down film like this well. I would pay a pretty large sum of money for a targeted course in this sort of thing, and daydream about how it might work often - one could set up video lessons with NFL film to show any level/type of content, and assign film as homework to break down etc. Given the popularity of these youtube channels it seems like there could be general interest/hunger for that sort of thing
I’ve done everything from DI down as a defensive coordinator.
As far as the content stuff - I don’t usually have a ton of time to watch most of it. I’ve seen some Cover 1 stuff and I think I’ve said this in the past - they do a good job of regurgitating football terms and giving you maybe a general idea of what’s going on but I’m not sure how much football they actually know. Erik does a better job offensively (probably because there’s more information out there about offense) than he does talking defense. He can tell you general concept names and reads on offense but I’ve never heard him get into specific rules for positions. Defensively he often gets coverages wrong or says players are doing things on “instincts” when really it’s just players playing fast within the rules of the defense whether that be fits or coverages. I don’t know much about the other guys.
Scheme is tough to learn without being in it. Coaches are pretty protective of their stuff so if something gets out it’s no longer being used or taught that way anymore. That being said there is a ton of information out there. It’s kind of like a grab bag though - you have to piece together stuff like a puzzle. There aren’t just breakdowns of entire schemes all in one place. Additionally there isn’t a common language spoken when it comes to football. Everyone kind of has their own name for things which can get convoluted when first trying to learn because you’ll hear multiple terms for the same thing depending on what information you’re looking at.
If it was easier to upload images on to this site I’d do more in depth breakdown stuff more often but it’s kind of a pain in the butt trying to get multiple images into one post. Maybe someone has a work-around?
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7 hours ago, WideNine said:
When you consistently get more yards on average when executing under center both passing and in your running game why would you not lean into that with more reps?
Most anyone knows play action is specifically intended to free up passes downfield. So I am not following your logic that because plays were made downfield there was "no impact by the fact we were under center showing some type of action" - huh?
Not sure why folks get so wrapped around the axle with the fact that Allen is more effective operating under center like somehow that cripples him.
Maybe not every QB, but the numbers for Allen and this offense jump when he does operate under center. They should do it more no drooling needed.
Here’s the disconnect - play action opens up the middle of the field by pulling defenders into the box. Because of this they are now responsible for an immediate gap in the run game and thus have to play run first. This is why play action is successful because it can pull backers and box safeties toward the LoS. It has zero effect on corners eyes or, in the case of what we saw from Jacksonville, MOF Closed Safeties. They’re working their pass keys regardless of the action. Because they were in MOF Closed coverage the majority of the day there wasn’t anything to take advantage of in the middle of the field by using play action which is why every time we ran it except one the pass went outside where, like I said, the corners are just playing coverage as normal based on their key read.
Hope that clears it up for you.
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9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Do you think it was a bad scheme/matchup or were our guys just a half step off their game?
Haven't looked at the all22 but on broadcast it just seemed we were losing in a bunch of places where we normally wouldn't
Scheme looked good in the run game. We had angles and numbers - just didn't execute.
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13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Thank you for your comments. When you say there were plays to be made, do you mean the RBs missed the plays or do you mean they weren't blocked properly? Or some of both?
1st & 10 - 1st Series - Dart - 6 yard gain (Gun)
1st & 10 - 2nd Series - GH Counter - 1 yard loss (Gun): DE did a good job of spilling the kick by McGovern, but even so there was about a 3-4 yard gain to be had if Cook follows Knox's wrap inside. Instead he hesitates and ends up running into the back of our pulling McGovern.
3rd & 1 - 3rd Series - ISO - 2 yard gain (Under Center) - this was the lone loaded box and it was because of the offensive set we were in
2nd & 9 - 3rd Series - ISO - 6 yard gain (Gun)
2nd & 1 - 3rd Series - Crack Toss - 5 yard loss (Gun) - Safety blitz blew it up - good call by them - good play by the Safety. Not a great pitch path by Cook - needs to be flatter initially, but the play was dead regardless with the blitz. If he hadn't blitzed it would have been a big gain.
2nd & 10 - 4th Series - ISO - 4 yard gain (Gun)
2nd & 3 - 4th Series - Mid Zone - 2 yard gain (Under Center)
1st & 10 - 5th Series - ISO - 1 yard loss (Gun) - DE crashes - we don't adjust our blocking to accomodate.
1st & 10 - 6th Series - Dart - 5 yard gain (Gun)
1st & 10 - 7th Series - Sprint Draw - 2 yard loss (Gun) - Torrence got nerd tossed and Dawkins whiffed on his block otherwise it's a pretty significant gain. The initial hole is huge.
ISO is what Cover 1 is incorrectly calling Duo in their breakdown. Offensively we lost the game in the trenches. We were getting mauled in the run game and they were getting Allen off his spot in the pass game and forcing him to make throws before routes were able to develop. Really good defensive lines is going to be this teams kryptonite yet again.
As far as the play action and under center stuff that Cover 1 is drooling over - there was only one play action where we took advantage of the action. Everything else was outside or downfield which had no impact by the fact we were under center or showing some type of action.
15 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:1. The team didn't stand a chance once the schedule came out. Goodell and his greed made sure of that.
2. Dorsey did a crappy job adjusting to early heavy boxes. And for some stupid reason he abandoned the behind center play action.
3. Multiple dropped passes that killed drives.
4. Deciding to leave Thursday instead of Monday.
This is a bad take.
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52 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Joe Marino does these all-22 review podcasts every week. Mostly he broke down what happened with the offense in this one. Some highlights:
-He said the run game failures were mostly a case of running the ball against bad looks. A lot of times the Jaguars had 8 or even 9 men in the box and we chose to run it anyways. The 2nd and 1 pitch to Cook that we lost like 5 yards on, he said we had 2 OL blocking 3 defenders on that side. Unsurprisingly the unblocked defender made an easy tackle for a loss. I don't know if Allen is supposed to audible out of those looks or what, but Dorsey or Allen have to a better job of punishing defenses for heavy boxes.
-As far as the passing game, Joe said that Allen played terrific and really wasn't to blame at all for any of our passing struggles. He said there have been times in the past where he's seen Allen turn down easy completions, but in this game he was executing his reads the way they were designed and manipulating the pocket well.
-He blames several of our stalled drives on skill players. Cook dropping a pass on the first drive, Knox dropping a pass on a 3rd down, Davis dropping a pass on a 2nd down, all of these he says the pass catcher definitely should have come down with them. He also blames Diggs for the interception after watching a few replays. He says the ball was a tad underthrown but it went 70 yards in the air and Diggs gets both hands on it - that's a situation where he says Diggs simply has to win the catch. He says one run should have gone for 8+ yards, but Cook totally misread the leverage and ran away from his blockers outside for a 0 yard gain.
-The Jags did a good job using simulated pressures to get advantages on their pass rush opportunities. All our struggles aside, give their defense credit for confusing us and keeping us off balance.
-He says more play action passes wouldn't have worked with the way the Jaguars were loading the box and showing heavy pressure looks. I've seen a lot of people criticize Dorsey for a low play action percentage in this game so I thought that was an interesting point.
-An alarming statistic he points out - the Jags missed just 3 tackles in this game. We missed 19 tackles... What else can you even say?
-Another alarming statistic - only 22% of our receiving yards in this game were YAC, by far the worst in the league for week 5. For context, Joe points out the 2nd lowest was the Ravens at 33%, and most offenses are in the 45%-50% or higher range. The Dolphins were at 78%. Our YAC issues from last year popped up big time in this game and it killed us. No run game and no YAC means literally our entire offense was dependent on Josh Allen's right arm, and that just isn't sustainable.
-A few points on defense - He says Elam wasn't quite as bad as he thought watching it live, but he definitely has some technical issues to clean up. Joe thinks the issues are fixable but he isn't at the level of Jackson or Benford right now. Dorian Williams had issues on misdirection plays and missed a couple tackles before McDermott benched him.
For a video breakdown of the offensive struggles, Cover1 just put this video out:
I think the play shown at 5:53 summarizes our issues in this game better than anything. You have 4 pass catchers all end up in the same area of the field so the timing of the play is awful and Allen has nowhere to go with the ball. He extends the play and throws a perfect pass to Knox who then drops it.
Way too many missed opportunities in this game. Pass protection, run blocking, situational play calling, skill position players, none of it was good enough.
1st Bold - He's dead wrong. I just got done breaking down every single run play we ran and there were plays to be made all day long. There was only one time where there was a heavy box and that was on the 3rd and 1 conversion on the third series.
2nd Bold - The 2nd and 1 Crack Toss didn't work because they blitzed the Safety and he made a great play. Cook needed to keep a flatter initial path until he hit the edge, but we just got unlucky there. If the Safety sits and plays coverage we gain big yardage because they didn't have any edge whatsoever.
3rd Bold - 100% Diggs needs to come down with that. Also the earlier big gain where Allen hit Diggs deep Diggs misjudged the ball and ended up having to jump for it and landed on the ground. Diggs had to work back for the ball - I get high pointing it - but he took it to the extreme to the point where he couldn't make a play after the catch.
4th Bold - The play he's referring to here we ran ISO again which had worked really well to that point with gains of 6 and 4 the previous two times we ran it. This time they crashed the end and instead of Knox blocking down and Shakir working to pick up most dangerous outside, Know tried to scroop the crashing end and Shakir tried to fit it inside as well. The failure to adjust their blocks based on the defensive movement killed the play.
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25 minutes ago, Einstein said:
- 1) Dodson played 62% of the snaps. Dorian played 36%. Dodson was by far the higher graded of the two, with an 85.5 grade compared to a 32.7 for Dorian. PFF has Dorian missing 40% of his attempted tackles. They are essentially saying that he was flying to the ball, but not finishing.
- 2) Allen had the highest CPAE (Completion Percentage Above Expectation) in the NFL this week at 8%. This means Allen completed 8% more of his passes than he should have. Allen’s adjusted completion % (completions + drops / aimed) was 86%.
- 3) I don’t know what we are going to do about Spencer Brown. The Bills are giving him help on more than 50% of his snaps and he is still well below the mean. This chart shows how often NFL tackles are left on an island (no help). Brown is 2nd to last in the entire NFL. The only player needing more help is Jermaine Eluemunor, who Raiders fans universally want released.
- 4) With play-action, Allen completed 87.5% of his passes with a 14.9 YPA yesterday. He completed 62.5% of his passes with a 7.5 YPA without play action. To really drive this point home, look at his EPA per play both with play-action and without. He has a 3x larger EPA per play with play-action than without.
- 5) Kingsley Jonathan was the highest rated Bills defensive player yesterday at a 92.1. He had 2 hurries, 1 sack, 2 stops and 1 forced fumble. Epenesa was right behind him at 85.7.
- 6) James Cook had an 11.3 pass block grade, which is the lowest I can personally recall ever seeing. Damien Harris had an 82.3 pass block grade.
- 7) DaQuan left the game after the 4th play. Milano left the game after the 11th play. Rousseau never played. Tre White never played. Benford never played. That’s FIVE starters out. Yet the defense still forced 2 turnovers and 5 punts.
- 8- Dawkins really struggled yesterday, especially with the other Josh Allen. It was clear from watching the game and PFF saw it too. He had the lowest pass blocking grade of all the linemen.
- 9) McDermott mentioned after the game that it’s hard to win when you can’t run. EPA shows that he is correct. Our EPA per dropback was top 10 in the NFL this week. Our running EPA was towards the bottom in the NFL.
- 10) Elam gave up 6 receptions for 93 yards and was eventually benched. No other Bills player gave up more than 3 receptions. Dane gave up 3 receptions for 30 yards.
- 11) Taron Johnson was very vocal after the game about how poor the turf was. Mentioned his feet would get stuck. For those interested you can see his comments here.
- 12) Spacing has felt off all season long. There are 4 Bills receiving options, all within 10 yards of each other. We are not making them defend every blade of grass. We are making them defend a very small piece of grass. This was a big 3rd down that we didn't convert.
- 13) I have absolutely no idea what we gave Harty a $10M contract for. He played roughly 25% of the snaps this week and is averaging 2.2 receptions per game. His special teams contribution has been 5 returns for 40 yards. I just genuinely don’t understand what the plan is for him.
- 14) Last note on Allen. HIs passing chart shows solid numbers to all areas and depths of the field.
- 15) Lastly, Ben Johnson is the most innovative, fun, creative play caller I have ever seen. I hope he is hired by an NFC team. This is one of the many plays he calls. It constantly keeps defenses guessing.
To your point on #12 - that was a designed play to the back that was suppose to have two blockers upfield for him already. Basically Stef running a shallow with Cook running a follow. It’s setting up essentially the same type of concept Miami gets out of their slot out motion where the #1 seals the edge and Stef wraps around to lead for the back. For whatever reason Allen didn’t like it even though it was there.
As an aside PFF grades are fun but I wouldn’t put a ton of stock in them.
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2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I’m disappointed we didn’t see any 3 safety looks with all the injuries.
That’s not something you can just jump in and out of on a whim. It completely changes the base of the defense.
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58 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
The offense is really good.
Fans man lol. We win and Dorsey is a god. We lose and he needs to be fired. Player execution isn’t even a thought lol.
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32 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
He’s arguably been the Bills best defensive player through 4 games and certainly in the first series of the Jax game (where he stoned a third and short), yet literally no one talks about him. Rich Eisen is a Bills fan, but my god, he knows nothing. What a bad, bad announcer. Say what you will about Romo, but he knows how good Jones has been and highlighted it. Eiden literally never said a word about Jones all game long despite the fact that the Bills biggest problem all game long was the absence of Jones.
Doing the dirty work isn’t sexy.
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4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Do you think this is on coaching, or the players themselves? It feels like too many times Allen is waiting for someone to separate downfield and it never happens, so he just has to check it down or escape the pocket.
Receivers need to have tools in order to win on routes just like Defensive Linemen need tools to win in pass rush. I suspect this is why Chad Hall was let go last season.
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9 minutes ago, Motorin' said:
No thanks.
Point made. If you can’t tell me why a call isn’t good vs. what we saw from the defense or whats wrong with a specific play design then you don’t really know what you’re talking about. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but don’t try to have it come across as fact because in reality you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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1 hour ago, Motorin' said:
James Cook didn't get to take 2 steps, let alone three steps to get to full speed when he caught the shotgun pitch on 2nd and 2 and lost five yards.
You're full of it by calling offensive lineman elite athletes. They're all over 300 pounds, and definitely lose leverage in the run game when not in their 3 point stance.
As for the multiple shotgun draws, I would have loved to see Cook get 5-7 off tackle runs from under center. Whether I form, single back ace, 12, 13... all the stuff that helped us dominate time of possession the last three weeks.
We reverted to the game plan against the Jets, and it killed us.
In any event, Josh Allen was nearly perfect out of play action today. Good thing we didn't do more of that!
1) No run play is going to work if no one gets blocked up front regardless of if it’s under center or from gun. My point was there’s no difference in RB speed hitting a hole at the LoS regardless of the backfield set.
2) You’re delusional if you don’t think NFL offensive linemen are elite athletes. As far as leverage it’s all footwork and technique. 3 point vs 2 point stance doesn’t matter.
3) Again, entertain me. Pick one play call and tell me why it was bad vs the defense we got and why the design is flawed. You want to make these claims then prove it to everyone.
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1 hour ago, Motorin' said:
Yeah, it certainly has for the Bills. So has the passing game from under center.
When you're running from under center the lineman have their hands in the dirt and fire out on the snap.
The running back gets a head of steam at the snap of the ball.
Running out of shotgun, your lineman are crouched as if to pass block. They are at more of a disadvantage as far as establishing leverage and speed off the ball.
You can also attack the edge with the running back at speed from under center. Which is Cook's strength.
Instead our #1 back only got 5 total carries, all out of shotgun. Only one run attacking the edge on a slow developing pitch where was was basically standing still when he got the ball. And the line let two unblocked defenders blow past to make a momentum shifting tfl...
And don't get me started on how much better the Bills throw the ball out of play action from under center... and how effect the RPO roll outs are from under center...
The play calling and play designed sucked.
1) This is the biggest misconception about football. These are NFL athletes... they reach top speed in three steps. Regardless of the backfield set these guys are hitting the line of scrimmage at full speed. There is zero difference in blocking schemes from gun to center. The only difference you'll see there is the vast majority of the time we've been under center this year it's been out of Ace sets.
2) There is not post-snap RPO when under center... it's only from gun.
3) Entertain me here for a second. I'd like you to pick a play call you didn't like - explain to me why it was a bad call vs what the defense gave us and explain to me where the failure occured in the design of the play.
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9 minutes ago, finn said:
Did Williams play well? I got called away in the second half. The commentary here was "Dorian sucks" AND "Dorian rocks!"
Looked like a rookie. Definitely got some talent. Could tell he was thinking as he wasn’t just flying around. There was hesitation in his footwork consistently throughout the day. Got lost in coverage at times, didn’t trigger vs the run at times, but also made some big time plays in both run and pass as well. He’ll be alright. Needs reps.
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34 minutes ago, BuffBills51 said:
That was the even worse play call of a shotgun pitch.
What made it a bad call? Please break it down for us.
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48 minutes ago, Einstein said:
I was going to ask you what you thought of our WR’s reaction to defensive leverage in this game. Sure seemed like from the broadcast that everyone outside of Diggs was in bad leverage situations and was part of the reason why the offense struggled in the first half.
We don’t do a great job of running routes in general, Diggs included at times. Forget leverage - we run routes like they’re drawn on a board. Very little stemming, leaning, jab steps, head fakes, etc.
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3 minutes ago, boyst said:
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Always preaching truth. He may need to be a field corner. And even then... I don't know. He just... isn't right. Last year he was fine.
Don’t want to put him to the field - he’s gonna be asked to play a ton of zone coverage there. You always want your best man guy to the boundary. To me it looks like he doesn’t have a wholistic understanding of the defense. Multiple times we were in 2 man today and he jump inside leverage quick on the receiver stem and then gets beat outside. Like dude… you got help inside and over top so stay your butt outside and underneath…
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3 minutes ago, Brandon said:
I don't think that's it as much as their insistence on trying to force a running game out of the shotgun formation.
Your run game doesn’t magically improve by going under center…
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8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
Yes, Doug Pederson implemented the Kaiir Elam plan. I also think his badness is why the Bills blitzed so much - whoever he was covering was going to get open.
We blitzed because we weren’t getting any penetration with 4. Multiple opportunities for coverage sacks today but couldn’t even collapse the pocket. What’s disheartening is Kaiir was put in position as that boundary corner to be in mostly man situations but lost leverage or didn’t understand what leverage to play with many times.
However, lack of execution offensively is why we lost this game.
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2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:
Lol I don’t think anyone is saying to do it every snap…you’re criticizing a play where the first read was comically wide open.
I wasn’t criticizing anything. Was quoting the dude who said we should have run it vs their “comically light box” - which you’re gonna get literally every time you go empty.
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2 minutes ago, mannc said:
On third and two, yes, genius
Good. What scheme you got there smart guy?
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Just now, mannc said:
Josh Allen is a runner…understand the game
So go empty and go QB run game every snap. Got it 😏😉
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1 minute ago, mannc said:
Jags had an an absurdly light box there.
Because it was empty…. Understand the game…
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12 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
I know the difference between a boundary and field corner. I was a coach in college and High School but thanks for dummies book. I don't know why it was directed at my comment about Siran Neal. Its clear that Benford and Jackson will be the starters moving forward. If your argument is that Neal is a boundary corner vs Elam who is a field corner and Elam will get in before Neal about that then maybe you should explain that.
What makes you say Elam is a field corner?
All-22 analysis of Bills/Jags
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Incorrect… we only ran one draw in the game.