Shaw66

I think it's easier than you might think when it's a guy like Benjamin. You're not necessarily throwing to Benjamin as he makes his cut. For example, end zone fade routes. It doesn't take a lot of time for the QB and a big receiver to refine this route. Line up as the left end, split out, get a release of the line, and when you cross the goal line, look for the ball up. QB watches the release of the line, determines that there's no double coverage, delivers the ball. Will they do that better after a season of practice? Sure. Can they do it well enough to have it in the game plan on Sunday? Sure. I do agree that his biggest effect on the game will be as someone who is drawing the attention of the defense. However, for that work, the Bills need to throw it to him some. The Saints won't play the entire game focused on Benjamin if he isn't catching a few balls. I say four catches for 48 yards, maybe a score.

Not wanting to get involved in another Taylor thread, at least not today, I've been ignoring this thread. Came on just now to take a look. Saw Old Time's post and just shook my head. Then I saw this. Beautifully done. I'm not a big believable in the eyeball test, but I have to say that in the past few weeks Taylor has LOOKED to me like a real NFL QB. Comfortable and in command in the pocket, delivering the ball on target with the right touch, throwing balls away. My only concern has been the sacks. Particularly against the Jets, the sacks looked not to be primarily his fault. He had nowhere to go and often no time to unload it. But I'd like to know what the coaches are telling him about those plays. Did they see something different?

I do this, too. Easy enough.

I won't remember, because I can't remember anything these days. But I would suggest to you that although stats aren't the be all and end all, to say you're concerned about Taylor's consistency but don't cite stats is to leave "consistency" un measurable. How are we supposed to have a discussion about consistency if not with stats? Am I supposed to be convinced simply because you think he's inconsistent? What does that mean?

I agree. I'm hoping Benjamin will help them adjust to what you're talking about.

Well, we don't know which coach is responsible. Early in the season McDermott said things that suggested to me that they weren't going to go away from what they want to do until they had to. That's the way the Bills seem to play. I think he's very conservative. All season long they've stuck to the run if they were within 10 points. If it were Dennison and McDermott wanted more passing, McDermott would tell him to pass more. So I don't think it's Dennison.

I agree. I wasn't arguing. No reason not to pass. But even passing might not have helped because the sacks were killing drives. Still, there was no hope running so it made sense to try something else. That isn't McDermotts philosophy.

Hard to argue with that, except the qb was getting sacked a lot.

The Jets was an uncharacteristic game for the 2017 Bills. They haven't been outplayed before, and this game looked like they weren't ready mentally. I have faith in McDermott that he will get them back on track. However, my faith has been misplaced before. It may be that all we saw last month was a hot streak and Thursday night was closer to what we'll see going forward. I don't know. We'll see.

Right And Zay doesn't get tripped there may have been a second quarter touchdown. Likenyou, I just don't see Taylor's performance contributing much at all to the loss. The lines got beat all night and that's why they lost.

This is interesting. I think in the second half of the season we will see more throwing and if so I will disagree with you. If the offense opens up successfully they'll keep Matthews AND Benjamin.

I agree with this. I don't think the point is that it's 21 or a projected 52. The u re in good shape. Getting through 2016 1nd 17 has been the cap problem and they're done with that. I also agree about the balance. I think particularly that these guys don't want to be spending their money outside the hashmarks. That's why Gilmore and Watkins are gone. Dareus is gone because he didn't fit.

I agree. I think they will replace Brown.

Spotrac says $21 million, 14th highest in the league.

You may be correct. From my seat it was difficult to know for sure whether Taylor could have avoided many sacks. It didn't look like it because he was in trouble almost immediately. In any case it looked like the best he could have done was throw the ball away. That might have helped but wouldn't have changed the outcome. He wasn't likely to have gotten positive outcomes out of those plays.

I'm sold on him meaning I would plan on him being my starter for the next five years. Meaning, I wouldn't trade up to replace him with a gilt-edged rookie. Meaning, if a QB I really really liked turned up late in the first round on in the second, I'd probably take him. Taylor looks much better to me this year than last year. I think he's playing like a top 15 quarterback. As much as I'd like to have a top 5 quarterback, the chances of getting one are slim. I don't buy your measure - he has to air it out for 400 yards in a head to head battle like Wilson and DeShaun Watson had a couple weeks ago. That can't be the measure of your QB, because it's too arbitrary. To have one of those duels you have to be on a team with good to great deep receiving threats, like Houston has. Your team's run game has to have failed., so you're throwing 45 times. I don't mean I don't want one of those guys. It would be great. I look at it differently. I think it's a sucker bet to keep looking for the Hall of Fame QB. If you have to look for a good quarterback, and when you find one you have to figure out how to win with him. What's a good QB? I think it's a guy who's regularly in or around the top 10 QBs in the league. When you have one of those, he's the guy you ride, trying to build a winner around him. I've been saying since he finished his first season in Buffalo that Taylor COULD be the guy. He did an awful lot right that first year; the only thing he didn't do was pile up yards, because his team didn't pass. The last two games he's looked improved to me, and that's what makes me think he's worth riding. The last two games he's been finding open receivers, open enough, and delivering catchable balls. Against Tampa he was conservative and threw a few balls out of bounds. Against New York there was little of that. He looked like a top-10 guy on the TDs to both Jones and Thompson. His throw up the sideline to Holmes was beautiful. He was consistently making throws that I admire when I see Brady and Brees and Rodgers make. He just looks good. I think he's looked better in the past couple of weeks because he's playing in a well-designed offense and he's starting to get comfortable in it. And I think it's likely to get better now that he has Benjamin to throw to. I like speed guys, but I also like the big guys, and the Bills have gone from Watkins and Woods - not tiny, but not big guys - to Matthews and Benjamin, with Clay coming back too. I'm expecting to be very happy with the second half of Tyrod's season. I said it a few weeks ago. Tyrod's contract is going to renegotiated in the off-season, and he's going to be five years, $100 million, minimum. With five picks in the first three rounds, I'm expecting the Bills to draft at least two offensive linemen.

Mobile version looks great. Thanks for your work.

That's interesting. Not surprising. But the team is built to run. And McD sticks to his plan until he's forced out of it. Down 10 with 18 minutes yo go he still wants to run. That's what he does. I'm curious to see what he does now that he has what looks like a quality receiving corps.

Alexander IS in and out a lot. I'm not sure on what downs, but he rotates out a lot. I agree that Milano looks good and might help, but I wouldn't take Humber off the field. I think he played very well last night. I'd rotate MIlano for Alexander. But I don't understand, and I think most others don't either, how the linebacker rotation is supposed to work. There's a reason they have the guys on the field that they have. One other thing: I think McDermott had veteran linebackers in Carolina. I think he values experience, which may be why we're seeing a lot of Alexander and Humber.

I gave the stats. At the end of the third quarter he was 15-21, 163 yards, 1 TD no INT. Extrapolate that to a fourth quarter and he's 20 for 28, 217 yards. Nothing wrong with that at all. He was playing competitive football, completing 75% of his passes, and they weren't checkdowns. He completed passes at the same percentage in the fourth quarter - he completed more because he was throwing more. I just don't see what there is to complain about in that kind of performance. Maybe you do. I can't help you with that.

Well the Jets must have studied the films well, because that hevy formation was totally useless. They got nothing every time they brought in the extra lineman.

My measure started with what I saw, confirmed by the stats. He was getting the ball out on time, hitting receiver with good accuracy, and downfield. It wasn't a checkdown game.

McCown didn't throw for 285 yards and 2 TDs. What was wrong with Taylor's performance last night? His footwork?

I find comments like this unbelievable. The guy completes 75% of his passes, throwing the ball downfield all night (not to the backs), 2 TDs and no interceptions, and your conclusion is that he has problems with his footwork and we'll just have to live with it. Extrapolate the guy's game over 16 games and its 464 completions (that would be third best in the history of the league), 32 touchdowns and 0 interceptions with a passer rating of 108.9 (25th best in the history of the league), and you're complaining about his footwork not being conducive to throwing. Okay, then, I guess he'll have to work on that footwork.

Well, I didn't see this, but I'm sure you're correct to some extent. It took me a while, but I've come to agree with the "lack of anticipation" crowd. I've seen it enough. BUT - he had a lot of throws where his anticipation was excellent. The one to Jones with defenders on either side of him - I don't think it was late - it was where and when it needed to be. The Jones TD to. The Thompson TD he threw it to the inside to allow Thompson to stay in bounds and curl around the defender. Although he can improve, I thought last night he looked like a competent professional quarterback. If he should have gotten the ball out on 2 out of 6 sacks, well, fine, there's something he can improve on. But he got the ball out just fine on a lot of plays last night, and he was throwing at guys who were open but well covered - he isn't waiting for guys to be wide open to throw. In short, I'm beginning to see real progress over his past two seasons. Well, Happy, that's their game. I just don't expect to see a pass happy offense from McDermott. He's too conservative for that. Plus, you need to recognize that through most of the third quarter the score was 10-7 and then 17-7. There was plenty of time left, and the Bills believe they can run the ball. So while I tend to feel the same way you do, I don't think it was crazy to keep trying to run. The offensive line wasn't pass protecting much better than it was run blocking.