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18 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
Wouldn't you expect a "top 10" QB to have a winning record after 3+ years on a team that wasn't a bottom feeder? Stats are nice, but for some reason, they don't win a lot of games with his as their QB. They got worse.
Stafford. Three appearances in playoffs in 9 seasons.
Ryan 3-8 in the playoffs.
Brees missed playoffs three straight years.
A lot goes into a team's record. Bad qbs rarely are top 10 three years running.
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I haven't been participating in this thread. I just skimmed through it and had one impression: some people who don't want Cousins make a lot of different arguments. Not enough wins. Better receivers. He isnt Brees. Etc.
What they don't talk about is his stats. The simple fact is that the best QBS are regularly at the top of the basic stats. Yards, completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, etc. They dont talk about his stats because he's regularly in the top 10, where all the good QBS are. How'd he get in the top 10? Is Jerry Rice on the Redskins playing under a pseudonym?
Stats aren't perfect but they're the best measure. The best qbs have the best stats. Cousins is right there. When Brady Brees and Ben retire he will still be top10 maybe top 5.
Hard to understand why you wouldn't want a top 10 QB on your team. I thought that was the objective.
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1 hour ago, FearLess Price said:
Thanks for posting this. The audio is up.
It was just a speculative comment IMO.
We dont have the $ to pay out 30 mill a year for QB
I like what he said about Baker. I hppe that doesnt stop McBeane from drafting him tho.
Yes it was a speculative comment, but it was informed speculation. He knows Cousins understands how important the coach os, and he followed the Cousins comment immediately with his comment about how much he likes McBeane. I think he thinks Buffalo is a more likely landing spot than many people do.
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13 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
You scoff if you want to professor science. I say maybe there is something to omens and stuff!
Why we always got to have people with the goofy names? It's like they are ready made punchlines. We have it hard enough being Bills fans.
But no. We get Mike "Mularkey". We just had to get a Mularkey.
And of everybody, they just had to have "Lossman"
And Chan Gailey. I don't which was worse, "Chan" or "Gailey"
Then Doug "Boney" Marroney. He did some boning alright. 4 million bucks worth.
Then E. Manuel. What, they found that kid in a manger? With "Buddy Nix" as a wise man.
Buddy is a strange name for a 70 year old man. And that isn't even considering the "Nix". As in nix the idea of this guy as our GM.
Now we got a "Beane".
So here comes the QB crop and we have Sam Darnold which is maybe not as bad as Lossman but it isn't good either.
Or "Baker Mayfield". Who names their kid "Baker"? I never heard of a kid being named Baker. And Baker Mayfield sounds like a cupcake company.
Did you ever see a QB who bled so? It seemed like opponents drew blood all the time.
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I don't think the Bills will trade up anyplace near the top. I don't see them burning a boatload of draft picks for one player.
They might trade up into the 11-13 range if a QB they really like is hanging around.
6 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:Im sick of QBs with bad omen names. "Loss-man" now "Darn"-old
I wouldnt take him!
Now, that's the kind of in-depth analysis we've been missing around here!.
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10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
Right, Cousins signing a 28 million per year deal is "just the going rate". As to the rookies, well it's always been that way. No matter what anyone says it's a crapshoot.
The only point I could make about rookies is if a team drafts rookie QBs in the 2nd or 3rd or 4th (Dak, Garappolo, etc) and they prove to be busts, dump them and move on.
As cheap as rookies are (even a mid or later round 1st round pick) compared to a vet QB, it's not the end of the world.
All that being said, I'm for the Bills getting a good QB no matter if it's a vet or thru the draft.
The Alex Smith contract was the most shocking to me too.
I agree about taking rookies in the third or fourth. Taking them in the second is a little pricey, but if you see one you feel really good about, even then. You can afford one in the third round every year until you find one, I suppose.
The thing about rookie QBs and the cap is that rookies have gotten a lot cheaper relative to the cap, so it doesn't cost a lot of dollars to miss on one. On the other hand, since they're cheap, it makes the draft picks more valuable, so you hate to waste one on a bust.
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9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
Better where?
On the field.
Football's about coaching. McDermott will be a better coach in his second season as HC. His defense will be better by virtue of knowing the system. His offense may not be better, but the good news is that it can't be a LOT worse.
I fully expect the Bills to be 8-8 or better. ESPN predicts the over-under for Buffalo is 7 wins. I'm definitely taking the over on that one.
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Thanks. I've been wondering about this.
Your data shows pretty clearly that the current cost of a QB isn't as outrageous as people think. As a percentage of total cap, QB salaries are staying more or less in line.
It also shows that most teams are paying more or less the same amounts for a top 10 or even top 15 quarterback. It's just the going rate.
So people shouldn't get so exercised about what they think Cousins will make. It is neither out of line nor surprising. It's just what it costs to take a chance on him being your future.
And yes, rookie QBs are a real bargain, until they bust. Sure, you've gotten inexpensive quarterbacking, but unless they turn out to be Carson Wentz, you've wasted a couple years of the careers of all of your other players while you saved money on your QB. Dak Prescott wasn't any better than Taylor in 2017.
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4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
We need a player to get pulled over drunk, get in a bar fight, or get caught with a gun in his car! Marshawn is too long gone. Good times.
EXACTLY!. Marshawn and Marcel always gave us things to talk about in the off-season.
14 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:I don't want to think too much about McD's juices. That leads to puns about "Kissin Cousins", Crossman's remark about his "fabulous loving touch", and why nobody will actually come out and say what "the process" actually is, and then it goes downhill from there.
But in my mind Cousins isn't as big of a gamble as he may appear. I will be making a big post about Qbs including aspects of that which few will read and no one will agree with, sometime in the next while when I get the ambition to write it.
In short though I would be ok if they went and got Cousins. So long as the use the picks to get him a top notch line.
And I will be ok if they trade a bunch of picks to get a guy in the draft that they like. So long as he doesn't turn out to have EXACTLY the long term shortcomings that the scouting reports say he has. That bugs me. But a if they trade a host of picks for a guy with a legit 50/50 chance, I am ok with that.
Yes. The Eagles had two Qb's who can play. That is why they were not finished when their starter went down. No Foles = no championship for them.
First, I hope people here are tuning into your humor. It's fabulous. I love being your straight man - one mention of juices off you go!. Great stuff.
And I'm glad we agree about he QB. I think what you say is right - I think the Bills have to take the Big Chance, whatever they think it is. Sitting around and waiting for lightning to strike in the fourth round isn't a smart move.
I think Cousins is the right Big Chance to take, because I think the future in the NFL - next five years or so - will require a good but not necessarily great QB. What will be needed is a coach-on-the-field type guy with solid physical skills. I'd love to have a Hall of Famer, but I don't think it's necessary.
But if McBeane don't agree with that conclusion, I'm fine, like you, so long as they do SOMETHING to get good enough at that position. I don't like trading up, and I don't think McBeane like it either, but if they see the right guy, then they should go get him.
And I love and agree with the idea that it's okay for the guy they pick to fail, so long as he doesn't fail for exactly the reason that the scouting reports say he'll fail.
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12 minutes ago, #34fan said:
There might not be a whole lot to talk about, but maybe that's because the Bills as an organization has a sh_tload if work to DO.
The Eagles just showed us up by demonstrating what it takes to knock off NE... You need a coach who's willing to take chances (and knows when to take those chances)
You need a QB that can perform at a high level, and isn't scared of the moment.
You need an offense that can vary it's tempo and weaponry.
And you need a defense that can deliver big plays when needed.
Did I leave anything out?.... If I did, please let me know what it is... The last thing I want to hear from OBD next season is excuses why we didn't win the division.
That's all correct, but there's not much to say about any of that just yet. We don't know who the QB is going to be, and it's very difficult to speculate about QB play if you don't know who the guy is.
We don't know what the offense will look like, so it's almost impossible to talk about improvements.
Defense? Yup, it has to be better. But there's not much to say about it - maybe some talk about guys who are likely to be available in free agency. Beyond that, the draft is completely speculative right now.
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2 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Only you could make a post about that there is nothing to make a post about!
And you have 3 pages of replies so far. Pretty cool.
For the naysayers, at least he isn't writing about nothing and pretending it is something like the sports people. Then again he has that luxury since he doesn't get paid to.
Three pages of responses is proof the the OP is correct!
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9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
There's never anything genuinely worth talking about. Other things are more worth doing.
But if you think who the QB is is a worthwhile subject, IMHO there are a bunch of others. Will we keep Gaines? Will we trade up? Will we trade down after we trade up if we trade up?
How many years will it be before we're genuinely competitive for a trophy?
Lots to talk about, but all of it guesswork. Isn't that kind of what the boards are for?
Thurm - great response. Thanks.
Love the first para. So true.
Second para is what I was talking about and I don't agree with you. Trade up trade down is all just speculation. Too hard to say anything meaningful until the qb question is answered.
Gaineas? My view is that position players just don't matter that much. A star yes, a guy who is just useful, you can always get another. If winning the Super Bowl is the objective, it's like driving cross country. If you're driving cross country, what shape your engine is in is important. That's like asking how good your qb is. IMO worrying about Gaines in February is like worrying about what brand windshield wipers you have. Sure, the brands vary, but chances are the wipers you pick up at Auto Zone will do the trick.
When will the Bills be genuinely competitive? Well worth talking about.
And yes this is what the boards are for. Some people find that talking about Gaines or the draft in February interesting. I don't. That's all.
2 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:Help me out here. Lots of posters have your same opinion.
I can't understand it at all. Don't you think that is just what we have been doing for 20 years now? Avoiding the big risk and being losers because of it?
Ask the freaking homecoming queen to the prom for gods sake. Take a freaking chance. What is so wrong with that idea?
Hep me understand if you care to please.
In my mind, spending a bundle on Cousins is taking a big risk just like trading up and going after a rookie. Last times Bills took risks like that was Bledsoe then Losman.
Now, you may say that Cousins isn't the prom queen, but I beg to differ. Beauty is in the eye etc., and Cousins may be the kind of gal that gets McD's juices flowing.
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2 hours ago, Albwan said:
TT is going to be the qb. The lame playoffs killed any chance of improving, now we get to watch the rise of the jets.
I doubt it's Tyrod but whoever, the Bills will be better. We won't be just watching the Jets.
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5 hours ago, NoSaint said:
Truly there’s a bunch but there’s not as much soap opera gossip
Defensive line? Linebacker situation? Pass rush in general?
Wide receivers? Running back depth? Offensive line and whether we start 2018 with 3 new starters in the group?
Yeah, there are all those questions and more, but any discussion of it now is poor speculation. You can talk about draft possibilities, but even that is pure speculation until we know what happens at qb in free agency.
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There's really only one question in February 2018: Who will be the Bills' starting QB in September? That's it. That question, of course, is a HUGE question, and there's all the draft analysis and all the free agent talk about that.
But for me, at least, there's nothing else. We know who the GM is and will be, we know who the head coach is and, at least for now, there's not a lot of point in talking about them being great or terrible. It's too early.
Yeah, there are going to be some moves on the coaching staff, but the big one's already happened (Daboll) and there's not much to say about him until we see the 2018 offense.
And yes, there are all those holes in the roster. But really, all that's going to happen is the Bills are going to draft some guys and sign some free agents. Some of us will like some of the guys the Bills get and some will be unhappy that they didn't get other guys. In the end, it's going to be a decent collection of talent, and the Bills record won't turn on how good those guys are - it will turn on how well coached they are.
And on the QB. So it's wait for the franchise deadline and free agency. Then it's wait for the draft. THEN we'll have plenty to talk about.
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4 hours ago, clearwater cadet said:
Philly would be smart to hold out until a contender has a training camp injury. At would allow then make sure Wentz is ok, and a team would be willing to give up multiple picks.
Right. Just like they did with Bradford.
And the fact that he has a team-friendly contract makes him even MORE valuable in a trade.
26 minutes ago, napmaster said:The market for Foles is going to be very interesting. He was outstanding in the playoff run this year, but weeks 15 - 17 were an entirely different story. The fact that the Eagles got by Atlanta was a surprise based on how he had closed out the season. It's hard to ignore his entire body of work and think he is now a franchise QB.
I think the story on Foles is that with good protection in the right system, he can be VERY good. The playoff run wasn't an accident, and his good year in Philadelphia wasn't, either.
The guy has shown he has great recognition skills and decision making, and he's an accurate thrower.
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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Good to know, Josh, but I think you may be missing Shaw66's suggestion and my point:
The suggestion was, if you do choose to highlight a piece here as an excellent example of TBN's high quality coverage that isn't seen elsewhere, make THAT piece free so we can all assess it and agree with you (or, choose to highlight pieces that are already free)
Josh
Hapless is doing a good job translating what I'm saying. I think the rules of thumb you should follow are these:
1. If you're starting a new thread your post should either contain useful information about the Bills or a link to free information aboit the subject of your post.
2. If you're going to post simply a link to information we have to pay to see, then the title of the threaf should say the threas has a link to paid content.
If you follow those rules you'll be fine and people won't be mislead into opening your thread.
3. If you're posting in an existing thread, linking to a paid site is less of an issue, but the courteous thing yo go is give some clue that It a paid. Often you'll see someone post something like this: "If you have ESPN Insider you make like this ...."
For me the whole point is that it's irritating to be mislead into me into clicking on threads that are commercial, or are jokes, or otherwise take me to content thatbisnt a discussion of the Bills.
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34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I don't have all-22 this year and can't convince myself of that 100% from the film clips available online. Can someone else confirm this interpretation? (Edit: I mean that the Jags player clearly got 100% back before the snap)
IMO, the push-off from Benjamin was pretty clear, I recall Romo even coaching him in real time on the play-by-play saying "Benjamin, you got to push off low, if you push off up at the facemask or pads level it's easy to spot and they'll flag it every time. Was there an element of "make up call" in an infraction they might otherwise overlook, perhaps, but it was a pretty obvious push-off up at neck level and right in front of the ref.
If a run play had a flagrant hold right in front of the ref sure holding on something they might otherwise let slide, but I don't see the refs making a "phantom call" on either as sometimes happens. Neither the Jags nor Bills are in the category of teams that get those.
You're right, but you know what else is sickening? We have two freakin' FBs, not one FB but two, on the @#$! roster and we're talking about our finesse back, Mr "Cut on Dime", as the one to pound at the goal line. WTF man? (to McDermott)
It's a stretch to say Taylor put it on KB's hands - but KB did not put on much of a vertical leap for a ball no further over his head than many he has caught, and it did touch his hands. Either he couldn't put on a vertical leap, because knee, or ?? (Compare and contrast with Diggs leap in the Eagles Vikes, for example)
About the depths of exaggeration, you're right on. Just as we're so bereft of quality QB play that we go nuts over 5th round rookie backups, it's been so long since we've seen championship-caliber WR play that we no longer expect our WR to make grabs players on other teams regularly haul in - both the Jones catch and the KB play fall into that category.
Someone in the last hour or so posted a replay of Benjamin. Find it and look. I thought was marginal call, the kind-of call that often is not made.
And when you watch the replay you'll see the ball hit Benjamin in the hands, and he barely jumped. Benjamin was late turning for the ball because, coincidentally,n he was interfering with the DB. If he had just turned for the ball he would have caught it.
33 minutes ago, Manther said:We ran down the field to get to the one yard line!
Yep
I didn’t like the call and still don’t. But, I do agree it was more on Benjamin than TT.
I didn’t like the call and still don’t. But, I do agree it was more on Benjamin than TT
I didn't like the call either.
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3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:
A lot just joke with other posters, discuss other topics on Off The Wall, just read and never participate, some just B word (those are my faves!), discuss problems/issues/trends with the NFL or TV (not Bills related).
I understand where you are coming from, I do. That's why I said your two stated reasons were probably the most valid. And I'm against just shamelessly shilling for products here, even if it is Bills related. But I don't think that is what he is doing. And not everything is, must be, or should be, discussion directly on the Bills for purist purposes. If you break it down, there isn't all that much of that. Surely less than half.
Got you. Thanks.
I'm only talking about this forum.
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5 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:
Yea I get all that. I'm just saying it "could" be the way they end up going, stay put at 21,22 and getting a QB that may fall to them if they are lucky and have them battle it out in camp. Will be interesting either way it goes. I personally would like to see Cousins in a Bills uni. But don't see that happening.....so I'm curious to see whaat route is taken.
If it takes a first and third this year and a first next year I don't think it's happening. Can't imagine Beane burning draft capital like that. Most I can imagine is one first and one other pick this year to move up to 13 or so.
So I'm with you. I think Beane will keep his picks do the best he can. And I think the Bills will make a serious run at Cousins.
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2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:
Shaw, a lot of people are here for different reasons other than just to share news and discuss the Bills. A huge number rarely if ever share news or discuss the Bills. Just because that is your sole reason, and a valid, perhaps the most valid reason, doesn't mean everyone has to follow that model.
In fact, if the editors from the R&C and the NYT and ESPN and NFL Network and Roger Goodell were coming here (and yes, Roger, I know you are here), and posting as much as Josh is - meaning once in awhile and not trying to take over or change the board in any fashion, it would be a better place. Different, but better. In my opinion. You may not agree. But there are not only two reasons for being here; yours.
Why else are people here? If they post they do one of those two things - share information or discuss. What else do they do?
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14 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:
Without the PI, this is a non-issue. KB's greatest asset is his size. He was born for jump balls in single coverage in the RZ. If the ball is bad, which it was, 2nd and goal at the one. Which is fine.
Watch the replay. The pass wasn't bad. Hit him in the hands, high, where it's supposed to be for Benjamin. The problem was that that when Benjamin was interfering with the defender he should already have begun to turn for the ball. If he'd done that he could have boxed out the defender and made the catch. All on Benjamin.
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5 hours ago, JoshBarnett said:
After messaging with Hap, I realize the proper etiquette is to include a brief summary and a quote so people can discuss the article without reading it, which often happens from other sources.
Exactly. Your post should either contain enough information to start a discussion or add to an existing discussion, or it should link to a free source so that people can get information. It shouldn't just say "I've got some great information for you. Come over and buy it."
1 hour ago, JohnC said:There is no need to require a poster from the BN to indicate that a subscription is required because it is well known that the sports section is a subscription only service. If it is not known it will become evident once one clicks on to that link. This forum has had contributors from the BN and other sources participate in this forum. All of them left because of the ill-tempered responses from a faction of the people here. That's a shame.
For me it's the thread title. I don't look at every thread. This thread title syasnits offerng information about a play I was interested. In fact it offered no information. And once I read the OP, I thought that perhaps this link to BN WAS free, so I tried it.
So I wasted my time and as Josh apparently now understands, that's bad forum etiquette. Either the title should be clear or the OP should do contain enough information to make it a useful post on its own without the link.
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5 hours ago, JoshBarnett said:
My goal was to let the people here know there was more significant news in the interview than just the original item.
Different people seem to be objecting to what you did for different reasons. This sentence is at the core of my objection.
I come here for two reasons: to share news about the Bills and to discuss the Bills. I think that's why everyone is here. Except you. You admit that the reason you're here is to get people to look at what your organization has produced. You're not here to share information. You're here to sell it.
You try to make it sound like you're doing a public service. And in fact if I subscribed to BN and I posted the same thing you did it would be fine. That would be mw, a member of this community, sharing information others might be interested in. But you aren't a member, at leastnnot in spirit. You don't come here to share information or to talk about the Bills,noun aren't a participant. It's clear you're here to sell subscriptions.
Now I have to admit, it sounds like you got a lot of great stuff from Tyrod and maybe I ought subscribe. I give you credit for that.
But as others have said, if youre going to come here and link too to contest that requires paymeet to see it, then telll people in the title of the thread that you're liking to paid material.
Better yet, why don't you get your IT people to post some of the material, like say the discussion of the thrown to Benjamin, to a special free link?Then come here and post about THAT, giving people the free link. Then tell us if we want to see the rest we have to sign up. In other words, actually share some of what you've produced.
Report: DE Eddie Yarbrough Will Be Back in 2018
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I gotta say thank you for posting reliable news so regularly. It's really nice to come here and find out what's happening with the team, and you do a really good job of keeping us posted. Thanks.