Shaw66
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12 minutes ago, Luxy312 said:
There is no urgency to sign anyone, and it's pretty straight forward as to why. Look at the teams that draft before the Bills at #12. Cleveland holds the #1 and #4 pick right now. Yes, they acquired Tyrod, but they will in all likelihood take a QB with one of those two picks. I expect Barkley to be the #1 pick in the draft as he's not making it to #4. Eli Manning has said he wants to play 3-4 more years minimum and the Giants have endorsed that. There's no reason for them to take QB at #2. The Colts have Andrew Luck and thus far I've read nothing that suggests he won't be ready to go at the beginning of the season. Let's check the box with Denver giving Keenum a big contract, so no QB for them at #5. The Jets now have McCown, Petty, Hackenberg, AND Bridgewater on their depth chart. Does drafting a FIFTH QB for their roster at #6 make sense? Nope. TB has Winston. Chicago has Trubisky. SF has Garropolo. Oakland has Carr. See where I'm going here? Maybe Miami isn't happy with Tannehill, but that makes only 2 QB's off the board before the Bills pick at #12 and possibly only one.
The free agent situation for QB's right now is and should be pretty quiet. If the Bills sign any of the myriad of retreads that are available, I think it's distinctly possible that they're still just a backup at the beginning of the season. If the plan was a journeyman "bridge" for a year, I think they would have just kept Tyrod. What does Moore, Henne, Stanton, Anderson, Sanchez, Gabbert, Osweiler, Siemian, Cutler, or Yates add that Taylor didn't? There's probably a half dozen other names that I missed, but the point is made.I'd like to think you're correct but I don't think you are.
Some teams like the Giants and Broncos know they don't have a long term answer, so they'll take a QB. And if they really don't want a qb, they'll trade down with someone who does want a qb. The Bengals did that already.
There's no way only one qb comes off the board in the first 11 picks. No way. Q
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Thanks Rush. I don't agree with that plan, but it's plausible.
I don't agree with it because I don't think anyone knows how to "develop" a qb. They do develop, but I don't think anyone develops them. There's no qb school that's the equivalent of Harvard.
So going into 2018 with a true journeyman like Moore and a couple of youngsters seems risky. Why not play 2018 with a qb who has some promise, like Keenum?
Moore has a career passer rating of 81. That's EJ Manuel territory. If he were a good qb, he wouldn't have been horrible for the Dolphins in 2017.
Keenum, on the other hand, has been growing as a qb - he's been getting better. He give the Bills a real chance to win in 2018, and could even become a star.
The downside to Keenum was cost. Bur the Bills had enough cap room to do it, and he wouldn't have eaten cap beyond 2019 if the Bills wanted to drop him.
I don't like going into 2017 naked.
I think McD believes in Peterman.
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14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
"Well, other than THAT, Mrs Lincoln, How did you like the play?"
Yes, I think it would be that bad
Thanks.
I don't get it at all. This seems reckless. I expected a little patience, recognition that there a building process going n I. And also recognition that some QB might grow into a real stsr, like Cousins, Keenum or Foles.
This seems like a crap shoot on an untested rookie.
The only other explanation is that McD really likes Peterman and that his one NFL outing was aberrational. Maybe McD thinks Peterman will be as good as McCarron, which is the bare minimum the Bills need.
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What? What is is this?
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40 minutes ago, McBean said:
I'm fine with this. I don't want our rookie QB playing day 1.
Problem is with Bradford theres a good chance your rookie playing on day 2.
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1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:
Agree with both. Zach Brown I think still fits our D. Still want him badly.
Both of these guys have the speed that McD's defense requires. Get one of them, draft an MLB high and bring Kyle back. Bills will have a MUCH better defense.
5 minutes ago, ALF said:Nigel Bradham or Zach Brown if the price is right. Ok with bringing back Preston who knows this system.
I've been wrong about everything, but I'm sure McD wants to replace Preston. Too slow.
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7 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:
IMO, LB is not the position to spend big bucks on in FA, and the Bills have other priorities. Shoring up the defensive line trumps the second level, and who knows what they're spending on Star.
I think you have to draft linebackers. You get an occasional Lomax but generally your stars come out of the draft.
Having said that, I like the idea of bringing Bradham back.
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This guy covering Carolina estimated it would take 4 years $40 million. https://www.catscratchreader.com/2018/3/5/17075718/is-nfl-carolina-panthers-defensive-tackle-star-lotulelei-worth-4-years-40-million
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7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Seems to me highly unlikely they are making these trades for a lb. They are going after qb. There is a rumor that Smith was medically red-flagged at the combine and could fall. You might be able to get him at 22.
I agree. So maybe the plan is to use next year's first to package with the 12th to move up for a qb, then get the MLB at 22. Then get a guard center in the second round. And maybe a tackle.
Whatever. It's amazing to see the team being reshaped like this.
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11 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:
We need stuffers, even if he just eats blocks routinely at 8-9 million a year, that's basically what Marcell Dareus did at 18-19 million a year.
I think this correct. I saw something that said he was looking for four years at $40 million, so your 8-9 is a little low but in the ball park.
By the way, buying these guys after a down year is smart. It keeps the price down a bit.
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16 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:
I actually believe this is quite possible. They might even look at the linebacker from Virginia Tech at number 12.
All last season I said McD would be going after his next Keuchle, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is what they're doing.
But if they moved up to 13 to take Smith or the VT linebacker, what do they do at qb? Is Cousins still in play?.
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I like this a lot.
I don't know NFL talent, and I'm unfamiliar with Star.
So why do I like him? McBeane like him. They know him and like him. He played for McD and his play was excellent. His stats dropped off last season, which was the one season he didn't play for McD.
He must like McD to have decided to come to Buffalo.
He's first round talent, and there's no substitute for talent.
Linemen tend to last a long time, so he could be a fixture for five years or more.
This may help bring Kyle back. It means Kyle doesn't have to carry the inside. Star seems to be more of a space eater, which frees up Kyle to do what he does best - slash. I think Kyle retires or returns to Buffalo, and this will help him decide to return.
This also means Cousins is out. Bills are spending the cap elsewhere. Looks like Bradford and a rookie.
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Anything's possible. Beane's got a vision and he ain't afraid to go for it.
Of course, as Badlands pointed out an hour ago, maybe Beane is a total lunatic off his medication.
Who knows what's next?
Wednesday is going to be very interesting.
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4 minutes ago, freddyjj said:
Shaw66, wow that's a different take, never occurred to me.
My take is they are moving up the board in 2 steps to get their QB ala the eagles in 2016 when they snagged Wentz. My take on FA QB is a McCown, Moore, Henne signing to be the sage to the youngster. Rosen or Mayfield are likely to play early on in 2018.
I agree with you. I was just spitballing.
I don't think you make this move unless there's someone you really want, and if there's someone you really want you can't sit at 12 and hope he's falling to you. I think the Bills will be moving again, but the next move might not be until sometime within 48 hours of the draft.
Beane is fearless. And I assume McDermott is on board with him. It's amazing to watch.
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2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:
The moves have been 2 fold. They added picks but also cleared a ton of cap space. Right now Buffalo can go whichever way they prefer. If Cousins is their guy they now have the cap space to do what it would take. They would also have a tremendous amount of picks to improve the overall roster. Similar to what Philly did they can now get all the way to 1,2, or 3 for the QB they want.
Yeah, but if you were going after Cousins, you'd rather have more picks, not fewer. If they thought they'd get Cousins, why not give Cordy to Cincy for their second and then have SIX picks in the top 65?
I think this signals that they have a QB in the draft that they really want.
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4 minutes ago, billieve420 said:
How hilarious would that be if the Bills don't draft a QB in the top# 5 after all this and take Lamar Jackson at #22. Would this board burn down?
Let's wait two days and see if the Bills sign Keenum. If they do, they probably aren't using #12 on a QB. They might even trade back out of 12 for a later first and a second.
Watching Bean these past few weeks, I'm not going to be surprised at anything.
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2 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:
It's difficult for me to watch the front office make all these incredible moves, and then somehow think it culminates with signing Kirk Cousins.
I don't think you trade up if you're going to sign Cousins. If you're getting Cousins, you want to add a lot of talent, not one guy at pick number 12. I'd rather have the 21 and 22 and get two good players.
I think this trade means the Bills sign a journeyman, bridge QB, because this looks like they're going after their QB of the future in the draft.
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1 minute ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Holy smokes!
Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that Beane and McDermott are actually just crazy?
And they just keep trading and trading people because they can't stop?
I mean like funny, after a long time looking back on it kind of funny.
Anyway I hope they are right about Dawkins. We don't have Tyrod the Escape Artist at QB any more.
That's great! In the next two days there are four more trades. Shady and Hughes and Benjamin and White are all gone, and the Bills have twelve picks in the first round. The Pegulas have Beane carted off in a straight-jacket!
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1 minute ago, BrotherChazz said:
Why? Dawkins is stability at LT. Glenn only played in 5 games.
I know, but from RIchie's perspective, Dawkins is just a kid. And there'll be a kid on the other side.
I'm not complaining. I assume they got decent value for him, and I think the move means they were happy with Dawkins.
Plus, I love the assertiveness. These guys have a plan and they are goin after it.
When Whaley inked someone, maybe Hughes, he said he was happy because the Bills had their six key players. He said you can afford to pay six guys big salaries, and the Bills had their six. Well, Gilmore, Dareus, Taylor and Watkins are GONE. So much for his key players.
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WOW! I didn't think that would happen. I''ve never been a huge Glenn fan, but still, I would have thought the Bills would have wanted some stability. Richie is going to feel lonely over there on the left side.
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1 minute ago, Luxy312 said:
I agree with you 100%. Part of me wonders as well whether the coaching staff isn't gun shy about Peterman and would just say that he and whomever they get in the draft (early or late) will play to be the starter. This team is super thin at so many different positions that it just seems to feel more right to build it through youth and the draft. They're otherwise picking off the scrap heap in free agency. It worked a little the last few years with Lorax, Gaines, Poyer. None the less, you can't build a contender that way.
Not fair to call it the scrap heap, but you're exactly right. Take the free agents with talent whose careers have gone a little sideways. That really works.
AND, if one of the good QB prospects falls to 21, take him. I've stopped paying attention, but I think there are five - Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson and Allen, maybe Rudolph. Chances are pretty good one or two of them is still on the board.
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1 minute ago, Luxy312 said:
This in a nutshell. To boot, he's done the exact opposite. I think he keeps his 5 picks in the first 65 and tries to hit a home run by drafting 4-5 guys that could be week 1 starters. I wouldn't be upset if he packaged picks to move up, but would really want to understand why. When there's no consensus top QB's in the draft (and make no mistake that there are not), you don't sell the farm to take one. Not prudent.
I think he MIGHT package picks to move up into the 10-15 range to get a QB (or even a position player) that he really wants and is afraid won't fall to 21. He could do that without mortgaging the entire draft. But I think it's more likely he'll do what you say - just sit tight and use those picks.
I'd love to come out of the draft with two starting offensive linemen and three starting front seven defenders. They may not all start on day one, but my mid-season they could be. That's a huge upgrade. Add to that an effective thrower like Keenum and the team has the talent to make some noise. Shady and Ivory, Benjamin, Jones and Thompson, a good offensive line. A better pass rush. That's a team.
Sure seems like the way to go.
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13 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:
He could easily flip the script this year and go all in on getting one of the top QBs and then next season's draft go back to it, besides even with trading those picks he would still have a somewhat normal draft. IMO it's a no brainer to get to the top of the draft if MCD wants to build this team the right way, around a top QB first.
That's true. He could. And I expect he will if there's a QB he's absolutely in love with. But I don't think that QB is out there.
I think he gets much more bang for his buck signing Keenum for $20 million a year for three years, or something like that, and then drafting a QB as soon as he sees one he like, probably at 21 or 22 or in the second round, and use all the other picks to take position players. If Keenum shows that 2017 wasn't a fluke, then the Bills have a quality starter for several years and his successor on board. If Keenum isn't so good, he still has a decent team around him, so the Bills do okay, and the successor starts in 2019 after a year of seasoning.
If he trades a bunch of picks and gets the wrong guy, he's screwed. He doesn't have a QB, and he doesn't have the talent on the team to support a weak QB. I think it's a much riskier move to trade up, and that's why I think he'll only do it if he's in love with someone.
The presumptive starter will be under contract by this Friday.
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20 minutes ago, elltrain22 said:
QB Position:
- Clearly, they're going BIG game hunting. They want a terrific young Franchise QB (as evidence with all the draft capital), that can not just win games, but win championships!!
- They also want a valued backup (Phily being the copycat in a copycat league). Sure you'll here names like Bradford, Keenum, but someone like McCown or Matt Moore are probably the guys that will backup. Bradford probably wants to start, same with Keenum, but the main thing here is which QB takes the least amount of money, which means probably Moore or McCown.
How do they get into the top 5??:
- 1 of 2 ways. If Cleveland takes Barkely @1, (which I predict they will) then the Giants, IMHO, will give serious consideration to Buff trade. Deal is NY Giants get: 21, 22, 53, 2019 3rd, & Cordy Glenn OR.... Indy gets: 21, 22, 53, 65, 2019 2nd
Draft??
- The way we look at it, we give up ALOT, but it's still a normal draft. We have picks in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th round. We may loose a future 2, 3, or maybe even a 1, but with the trade of Glenn we will have alot of cap room in 2019 to fill in those holes/picks. Not to mention we'll obtain at least 2, possibly more comp picks for guys like Gaines, P.Brown, if they walk.
Free Agency:
- No big names, but they'll try WR, but IMO, the market is way too high, which is why I think they'll target DJ Moore, or Anthony Miller in the 2nd round. Probably fill Preston Brown role with a guy like Avery Williamson. I think they'll also try to find a FA off lineman.
Maybe that's how you'd do it, but I doubt that's what the Bills will do.
Beane has been very clear - you get more talent with picks than you do in free agency. So I don't see him following a course where he trades lots of picks so he can end up with lots of cap room to get free agents. That's exactly backward from what he's said all along. I think he signs a QB who will be a starter in September, he keeps his picks and drafts a lot of talent, including a QB.
Would going into 2018 with Peterman & top rookie be that bad?
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Yup. Say they get Rosen and start Peterman because he's better in camp. Say Peterman sucks in September. Okay, in comes Rosen, and he really isn't ready. He sucks, too.
Bills are 1-8 in November. Cousins Keenum and Mayfield (whom the Bills passed on to take Rosen) or even Taylor are having good years. You think the fans won't be berserk? You think the Pegulas will continue to have total confidence in McBeane? I don't.