Shaw66

You misunderstand why McDermott hires from within. It is NOT about comfort and control. It's about building and continuous improvement. McDermott expects everyone in the organization to work every day at getting better at his job. He expects everyone in the organization to be better this season than last season. And he expects everyone in the organization to be self-motivated to improve in that way. Someone, take Babich as an example, who has been with the organization multiple years has stayed with the organization because he is improving annually. If he weren't improving, he would be replaced. Since he's improving every year, it's rare to find someone outside the organization who is better than the guy who has been with the organization. And even if the new guy brings more raw talent, he still won't be very useful until he gets up the learning curve in McDermott's system. And the learning curve is always going up, so the longer a guy has been with the team, the further up the curve he is, and the more likely it is that he will be better at the job than a guy with much less experience in the system. It's not all that unusual. Lots of teams stick with their veterans, and rehire their veterans. The Chiefs just re-signed JuJu Smith-Schauster for exactly that reason - he isn't the greatest receiver, but he knows Mahomes and the system - in other words, he's further up the learning curve. Year after year, Belichick brought guys off the bench who played well within his system, guys who had been on the team for a few years, learning and growing. McDermott's system is all about the team and teamwork, and veteran experience in his system enhances teamwork. That's why he hires from within.

Whoa, thanks! I'm sure you're right. Oh, well. Maybe jr. will call his dad for help.

I have never looked at Babich's history. He has plenty of play-calling experience. Head Coach at North Dakota State for five season, Defensive Coordinator for the Bears and the Jags (three seasons each). He's been around. I'm sure he and McDermott have regular, high-level discussions about how they want the defense to work, including play-calling philosophies and strategies. We'll see how they do in a week.

I think this is a legitimate question. It's the same question as why would you hire someone with no head coaching experience over someone who has done it before. And the answer is the same: The coaches who have done it before and were successful at it already have jobs and aren't available, like Nick Fangio. The coaches who have done it before and are available are available because they weren't very successful last time. So, when you're an owner or a GM or a HC looking for someone to be HC or a coordinator, you have two categories of candidates: Coaches who for some reason didn't have a lot of success last time but who have shown promise and may be worth betting on the second time around, and coaches who haven't done the job yet but have shown a lot of promise. McVay, Shanahan, Tomlin, McDermott all were guys hired as head coaches from that second category, and they all were great hires. Belichick, Carroll, maybe Reid, all were guys picked from the first category. Some guys who've never done it before fail the first time, like Marrone. Some guys who HAVE done it before also fail, like Rex Ryan. There is no single place to look for great coaches. And there are a lot of variables that combine to make them succeed or fail. So, in this case, you can hire a DC who has called defensive plays before but didn't succeed very well at his DC job, or you can hire a DC who has shown a lot of promise but never called plays before. McDermott is very much a promote-from-within guy, which is why we got Dorsey and Brady and Babich, and which means you're going to have coordinators without play calling experience. The Jets have Nathaniel Hackett as their OC. The Browns have Ken Dorsey. They both come to their jobs with play calling experience. I don't want either one of them as my OC.

I agree. And it's not just that he trusts people. It's his job to hire people, train them, and trust them. His job is to hire and delegate, so that all that's left for him to do is true head coach stuff. Now, there's a good discussion to be had, and it's been had here often, about whether the best head coach to have is one who is an offensive or defensive genius and who you WANT to call the plays. Belichick (who didn't always call the plays, but he always was hovering), Shanahan, McVay, guys like that. I used to think McDermott was in that class, but I'm not so sure. McDermott is learning how to do the job of being a head coach, and I have a lot of confidence in him. I'm sure what his objective is is to hire good coordinators for all three phases and then to be the manager of those three. Babich and Brady are his hand-picked guys, and it's fair to expect them to excel. It's McDermott's job to get them to excel, and he's chosen them for those jobs. And McDermott has been a head coach long enough that he should know how to do that. I think he's reached the time when he needs to deliver. We'll see how he does.

I remember seeing a comment from Brunell about how incredible it was to be in that room. He said he learned stuff every day.

Best interests, to be sure, although I'm sure that part of his decision was driven by the fact that if Babich is calling plays, McDermott knows he's can off the bench and assume that role later. He would view that, properly, as being in the best interests of the team. I don't think he thought for a minute about preserving the opportunity to have Babich as a scapegoat. I don't think for a minute that when Terry talks to him about why the team is underperforming, McD blames it on anyone else. When it's underperforming, McDermott spends his time thinking about what he can do to make it perform better, not looking for someone to blame.

Well, if I wanted to be cynical, I'd say it's a good move by McDermott simply in terms of getting as far away from this defense as he can. There are a lot of questions about talent - primarily at linebacker and safety, and if this defense underperforms, there will be plenty of criticism for whoever is coaching the defense, including calling the plays. By leaving Babich with the play calling, McDermott has a little wiggle room at the end of the season if he's looking for someone to blame. And it also leaves McDermott the option of elevating himself to the play calling duties later in the season, which we've seen him do before. Whoops! I just did it. And not in response to you. I don't think McDermott is necessarily looking for a scapegoat, but criticizing the team's lack of defensive performance, if that happens, certainly is easier for McD if he isn't calling the plays.

For sure, this is true. Like everything else, it's a bell curve. A lot of the Hall of Fame players are way out on the right hand side of the curve, just special, special athletes. By the time you get back to the 2000th best player, he's not materially better than the 2001st player, but there still is a real difference between the 2000th and 2500th best. So, it stands to reason that from time to time, one team or another actually has better talent on their practice squad than most other teams. However, I don't think it's likely that any team stays on top, in terms of total practice squad talent, for too long. All the other teams are constantly scouting the talent around the league, and they're seeing film of these guys in preseason. So, for example, even if the Panthers had more talent than most other teams at the 50th to 70th spots on their total roster, we can see that that talent got spread around the league pretty quickly. The league is a true meritocracy. If a player is good enough to be a regular player in the league, it doesn't take very long for him to find his way onto the field somewhere.

Hah! I read the report. There is one - and only one - piece of news in it: some unnamed agent said the Jets are in disarray and it's because of Rodgers. There's no confirmation. There's no detail as to the nature of the "disarray" and how Rodgers is responsible for it. All of the rest of the article is about how Rodgers missed some early OTAs and how - supposedly - he made some demands about players he wanted acquired. It's time for football to get started so we can stop sucking up this junk news.

Yes! This is the point that I keep reminding myself about. There are over 1500 guys on NFL rosters today. Twenty or thirty of them are going to the Hall of Fame. The bottom 500 or 750 are very good football players, but there isn't much difference between the talent they have and the talent of the 500 or 750 best players who just got cut. There simply isn't a lot of difference in terms of natural talent. The way the PS is working now works to everyone's advantage. In particular, it gives an opportunity to a lot of young players to essentially be on a roster, get the practice experience and as they get called up for a game or two here and there, game experience. It helps the teams, because it allows those teams to develop those guys so they actually can help when they do get called up. It always amazes me that are lot of these guys, who were among the best starters on their college teams, don't make an NFL roster and spend two, three, or four years bouncing around on practice squads, learning more each season, building their bodies, and then eventually find their way onto rosters and playing rolls. Those guys are intensely committed to making it. Yes, there's a big monetary incentive - get on a roster for a year or two, and there are some big paychecks (not enough to fund retirement, but enough to set you up for nicely for the rest of your life), but I think they do it primarily because they love the game, they love playing, they love the challenge, and they love success. Amazing dedication.

Right. It has been a necessary change as the season expands from 16 to 17 to 18 games. Teams just need more players and more flexibility in order to manage injuries. It allows for much more continuity of play during the season, because teams now are able to have quality players who have been working within the system, ready to take over when guys go down. At the same time it allows players who aren't on the 53-man roster the ability to move to other teams if those teams are willing to elevate them. Essentially, the system makes it easier to manage the teams and still supports the goal of parity. Teams can't hoard players, because the players on the practice squad are always free to move.

That's an interesting quote. Beane essentially admitting what many people have been saying here for months: The Bills are short on proven players, and how far they go will depend on whether some guys can step up.

But Hamlin has three years learning what McD wants him to do. I think it will be Hamlin. I hope it is Edwards.

I wrote this the other day: The Bills can legitimately claim to be better than 20 teams in the league simply by saying, "We have McDermott and Allen, and you don't." That alone makes the Bills better than 20 teams. So, if they're better than 20 teams, that means they're in the top 12, which means they're in the playoffs. That means they're good. How good depends on a lot of unknowable things that will happen between now and January. The Bills are contenders.

Thanks. Maybe that's the right way to think of Trubisky, and that's why he isn't the right guy to be a backup. A good backup, in my mind, is someone who can run all the same stuff as the starter, but just not as well. He's not good enough for any team to want him as a starter, but he's good enough to execute the game plan if called on. I thought Trubisky was better than what you describe.

Dawg - Just the other day I posted that I think the Trubisky panic is overblown. Then I saw your report, and it made me think twice. Putting aside his injury, whatever that is, I've been wondering what it is that could have happened to him. I mean, the guy has a lot of starts in the NFL and has played passably, overall. He's shown he's not a guy who you're going to want as your starter, but he should be a guy who's a reliable backup. Now, apparently, he looks horrible. Do you think it's possible that Brady's offense requires more recognition and quick decision making than he can handle? It's new to Allen, too, but Allen (1) is more talented, and (2) had a half season under Brady to learn some of what Brady wants. I still think Trubisky is a good guy to have, and I think he just needs some time to learn his job in this offense. Unfortunately, the time that he was allotted to learn it - training camp and preseason, now seems to have ended for him. He can look at film and participate in the QB room, but it sounds like he needs some time actually doing it. Or has the guy simply changed fundamentally and no longer has it?

I didn't see the game and I haven't read all the pros and cons, but I have trouble believing that the Bills have a backup QB problem. First, everyone agrees that if Josh goes down for an extended period, no backup QB is going to save them. The only circumstance where a backup QB is likely to be important is a three-or-four-game stretch. Yes, Nick Foles had a Super Bowl run, and that can happen to pretty much any veteran backup when everything falls just right. For the three or four game stretch, you need someone who understands pro football at the QB level (i.e., a veteran with some starting experience) and someone who can mimic, to some extent, your starter. In Josh's case, have a big arm and has some mobility. That's not Foles, that's not Flacco. Trubisky is ideal in that regard. Yes, I'd replace him with Tannehill if Tannehill were option, but I doubt he is. But your #2 has to be more than that. He has to be a guy who adds to the team by his presence in the QB room, a guy who has a good relationship with the starter and can talk to the starter about what he's seeing. I think Trubisky is good in those roles, and I think that for one reason: The Bills wouldn't have brought him back if he hadn't been good at it in his first stint in Buffalo. Then, everyone, including the Bills, knew he was a short-termer, because he wanted and needed another shot at starting. But while he was in Buffalo, Beane, McDermott, and Allen all got to see him in the number two role and to understand what he adds to the team. If McDermott or Allen didn't like what they saw from him in that season, they never would have brought him back. It's significant that he replaced Kyle Allen. Maybe Josh and Kyle's relationship changed (possibly because of the personnel change Josh made at girlfriend), but whatever the reason, it mush be the case that Josh feels good being around Trubisky. Maybe Kyle Allen was just playing out a three or four year ride in the NFL that he always knew would end, and Mitch can see and accept a ten-year career or more as a journeyman, and maybe Josh can see that that's what he needs. Whatever is going on behind the scenes, I think it's likely the Bills are happy with Trubisky as the #2. They may not be happy with what they saw last night, and we all can be sure Trubisky wasn't happy, either. Everyone will get to work on that. But he's a seven-year veteran with 57 starts and a passer rating of 85, which is a pretty good combination to bring off the bench when Josh dislocates his pinky.

I don't think it matters. If you're ineffective scoring from inside the five in either category, from McDermott's perspective that you want to improve. In particular, if teams know how to stop you throwing from the five, it gets easier for them to stop you running from the five. The objective is to be a threat passing AND running from that distance. However, as I said, from my point of view, it's just a random stat. There are all kinds of these miniscule stats that I don't think are useful in terms of a broader perspective about the team.

Man, that sucks. It's not even September. Talk about "next man up." Someone has to do a decent job filling that hole until Milano can get back, and even then you have to wonder how well Milano will be able to step in, having missed for than a full year as the defense has been evolving. As a practical matter, Milano may not be a factor at all this season. Major disappointment.

I never knew you had such a big career. Congratulations! It's amazing, the dedication of some of these guys. He's been pursuing a pro career for a long time. Good for him.

I've read some of this thread, and there are two basic points people are making: Either this stat is meaningful and the Bills need to do something about it, or it's meaningless and it's silly to focus on it. It reminds me of the stat someone highlighted a week ago or so about the Bills have the best 3rd down conversion rate of any team in the league. It's the same kind of stat, either meaningful or meaningless, except in that case it was highlighting something good rather than something bad. I think that if you're trying to prove the Bills are good or bad, these stats are useless. They are, as people have pointed out, a sliver of total performance. Who cares if the Bills are bad scoring inside the five if they are at or near the top of the league in scoring. Or, who cares if the Bills are great converting third downs; what matters is whether they get a lot of first downs, regardless of whether those first downs come on first, second, third, or fourth down. These stats don't establish whether the Bills are a good or bad team. However, if you're the head coach of the Bills, it's very important to know if the Bills are lousy at getting touchdowns inside the five, because as the head coach you're trying to improve on everything. Clearly, if you're settling for field goals inside the five more than the best teams, if you're scoring fewer touchdowns, that's something you could do better, and something that will make the team better. It doesn't matter if the Bills already are one of the highest scoring teams; if they're leaving four to seven points on the field every once in a while, that's something they should try to figure out and improve. Why? Well, remember the thread that said the Bills hadn't lost by more than six points in two and half seasons? There's your answer. I guarantee you that in at least some of those losses by less than six points, the Bills took a field goal or failed on fourth down inside the five, and that in some of those games those four or seven points were the difference between winning and losing. So, is the stat important? Of course it is, if you're trying to maximize performance. Is it a problem that will keep the Bills out of the playoffs unless it is fixed? Probably not. I'm not going to think about it, but I bet Joe Brady is thinking about it. If he isn't, the Bills have the wrong man.

Yeah. Imagine how devastating this is to him personally. All of his time and energy have been wrapped up in trying to resurrect his career, he goes to a team with a need and that supports him as he makes a serious effort at a comeback, and then he gets a real but dumb little injury that keeps him off the field. What a disappointment. Now, he'll get an injury settlement and eventually try to catch on with another team. However, training camp was his best opportunity to make the climb onto a roster. Stepping in midseason somewhere to plug a whole is much more difficult. Sorry for him. He's a good example of how precious a career is and how staying focused on the right stuff is so important. He started with a splash and let his career go sideways a bit. Suddenly, it's gone. Compare him to a guy like Shakir, who started more slowly but who never takes his eye off his goals and what he has to do to achieve them.

Micah Hyde! You ae the eternal optimist. He's a definite maybe. If anything though, I think he's late-season injury insurance. I wrote something a week ago or more about Hamlin. I think 2023 was an extended training camp for Hamlin. I know that in a strict physiological sense, he was good to go last July, but I have to think that when your body has been through the ultimate of traumatic experiences - total heart stoppage, your body takes a long time to recover. I know from surgeries and general anesthesia that my body was still recovering for months after every incision and other pure physical stress was gone. And I think Hamlin is the perfect example of how long it takes to learn the position. He did more or less nothing his rookie season and didn't exactly light it up his second season. Then the injury. Then a year of extended training camp. This is the first season when I think we will see what his full potential is. He's learned almost all of what he needs to learn (or he'll never learn it) and his body is finally ready to go. I think Hamlin will surprise many people this season, I hope and expect to see more of Bishop later in the season, but not as a starter, and I hope we don't need Hyde.

Yeah, I get all this, and I'm with you with the stubborn hope. But - I think it's one of the toughest positions to play in this defense, tough in the sense that the combinations of assignments are more difficult than any other defensive position, coupled with the fact that McDermott expects players to play with no mental errors. Really hard for a rookie to climb that ladder. Comparable to Bernard as a rookie. Having to watch, instead of practice, for six weeks, and still expecting him to start sometime this season is like asking him to climb the ladder with the first four rungs missing.