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teams were never as aggressive to trade 1st and 2nds which are viewed as the building blocks for your future. That is the difference with the Rams compared to prior teams.

hahaha that would figure. Actually the Dallas game was fun we watched it with my wifes family that thanksgiving and had a blast. Last years game though was no bueno

Flip side to that argument is if you draft Tre White, Milano, Dawkins, Allen etc.. you have a great player for pennies on the dollar. To me it goes both ways that draft picks matter but you shouldn't be afraid to trade them for guaranteed production. What the Rams did which was unique was trading 1st round picks and 2nds so heavily, that could perhaps change as the SB win showed.

They created two generations thanks to the drought which 1pm Sunday was our thing. I agree I like national attention but out of 17 games give me 13-14 at 1pm and just 3-4 not at 1pm. I swear to god if the Bills play on Thanksgiving again Ima lose my mind lol. I just want to eat in peace

In the words of Clark Griswold I wouldn't be more stunned if I woke up with my head sewn to the carpet if the Bills are the team. I just can't see it not being Dallas. The last time the NFL chose to do an opener AFC-NFC was Panthers Broncos in 2016. I think in general they don't like mixing AFC NFC for the opening game.

I wouldn't say your old school as much as a true sports fan. This sentiment is common imo it hardcore markets like BUF/PIT/GB/KC where people bleed football. You are not just joining the team but the community itself and the expectation is you will embrace the community as the community will embrace you 100% day 1. Big markets like DAL/NYC/LA I would say have zero issue with constant shuffling the deck and really could care less on the community piece it is just win.

Lets be honest all of sports has luck attached. Norwood repossessions lack second or slips a little and maybe the kick is good. The NBA might be the only sport where a truly best team wins more frequently then not, the rest there are tons of factors at play. In general I think this NFL season had like 8-10 teams who if they won the SB you would've said "yea I am not surprised" and the Rams happened to get a little luck to be that team while playing well. In regards to the Bills maybe they would've beat the Rams, but they couldn't take advantage of the opportunity in KC to just hold on for 13 seconds. This is not directed as you as much as this general notion that Buffalo beating KC meant we were going to the SB and winning. I just can't buy that when they couldn't beat KC, KC faltered themselves to a Bengals team that played far tougher then people thought, and the Rams required a late drive to get by CIN. I buy that Buffalo blew a potentially good opportunity, I don't buy that they would've 100% taken advantage.

100%. IMO what the Rams were able to prove is that teams overvalue the draft vs actual production. Look at the impact Diggs had by trading a 1st, sure maybe Buffalo drafts Jefferson but Diggs has been a homerun trade. I don't know that teams will be as aggressive as the Rams have been, but I would expect more teams to be a little looser with their draft picks as a way to ensure getting players who have a guaranteed level of production. The real advantage with draft picks is cost control for a certain period of time where you basically are paying pennies on the dollar for good talent. The thing is your maybe hitting on 30-40% of your draft picks so are you really coming that far ahead?

One of the things I appreciate with the Rams is the contracts they gave on defense or moves made were literally to guys who were top 5 positionally ie Donald, Ramsey, Whiteworth, etc.. I would rather pay a few top guys then have a bunch of moderate contracts. The talent for the top players gives you greater margins to win with then a collection of slightly above average players.

That is kinda where I am. The Rams are unique because the have the best DT, top 5 CB, great pass rusher Von Miller, and some good role players like Leonard Floyd. You can lack depth when your top guys are that good and elevate the other guys. The Bills have the CB and Milano is a really good LB, but I do not think they could sellout the same way as their pass rush just isn't as dynamic. With that said I am all for trading a high draft pick this year for a Cam Jordan or top pass rusher. I just don't see Beane doing that yearly, he is wayyy too future driven.

Sadly in sports rarely does the best team actually win. Circumstance and luck drive many champions.

With the LA Rams winning the super bowl it brings up an interesting question as in sports in general whoever wins the title the rest of the league mimics to some extent the following season. The really interesting thing with the Rams is they in many ways put together a dream team and it actually worked. If you ever played Madden one of the fun things to do is just go all out with no regard to the cap or picks for the title. Now that is putting it loosely as even though the Rams don't have a 1st round pick until 2069 (I Kid), they are actually 2nd in total draft picks since 2017. So the Rams are using their 1st/2nd round picks for established talent, but they do have players they draft and develop. Kupp himself was a 3rd round pick (#69 no joke). With that said the Rams are not a perfect team as they do have some holes, but they basically bet that their talented players would cover those gaps and with Stafford as an upgrade at QB it could mask the flaws even greater. For a long time it has seemed that GM's value picks over anything and carefully planning their window. One of the things I appreciate with the Rams winning is it validates to some extent a just go for it and worry about the rest type strategy. My question to you is if you think more GM's might be a bit more inclined to trade some future for immediate success or will the Rams stay an outlier?

It’s the off-season im bored lol

My point is more expectations and potential

I wanted to put together my rankings of the 32 teams for the next 3 years future wise with a sentence explaining why. Feel free to say what you agree with, hate, why I am dumb, etc all of it haha. Criteria wise I am looking at the roster, front office, potential aging, development of young players, and overall success recently. Tier 1. Superbowl or Bust- any of these teams I would say feel they missed their goal if the SB is not their end of season destination which is fair: Buffalo- As we currently wallow after 13 seconds, the future is still relentlessly bright with a QB who the possibilities are endless. Mix in a solid coaching staff, good roster, and smart front office it is win or go home KC- ditto ^ with acknowledgement that the cap is going to crunch them a bit so the draft will matter big time LAR- in the SB currently they really have 3-5 years tops before Stafford ages out so time is the present. People make a big deal about having less draft picks, but the Rams actually are very good at getting comp picks and have had good player development CIN- I actually think they arrived a year early with a little luck, but hey who cares and Burrow is great to watch. They need to improve the line so he doesn't die in the next 3 years but otherwise they have a good base. BAL- they had a historically bad year with injuries, but make no mistake the talent is there and the coaching and front office have always been good. Lamar is divisive for some DAL- I think Dallas literally has about 3 years before this core starts to break down a bit. They have had regular season success but the post season has been a bugaboo and their coaching is questionable. That said when they are clicking they are a SB caliber team and expectations will be as such Tier 2. Solid rosters that could take the next step as a true SB contender: ARZ- Kyler Murray is dynamic and they at least broke through to the playoffs, they also flamed out the back half of the last two seasons and some big name additions haven't worked out. Regardless a bit more growth and seasoning could push them to the next level TEN- They have been the class of their division for a few years now, but every time they seem to take the next step they fall back. Tannehill has been exposed the last two years in the post season after good regular seasons. If Henry is truly healthy I could see them grinding their way to a title assuming Tannehill can just not implode. LAC- I mean one of these times they will break though right? The offense is sublime and will be good for a long time. The defense was not very good but they seem to always have injuries. Regardless Hebert makes this teams window pretty large and I won’t be surprised if they figure it out and overtake KC at points. Tier 3: Whose the QB will decide everything: WAS- Taylor Henicke honestly isn't bad but I doubt they keep him long term. The roster and coaching staff is solid and a true franchise QB could elevate them quickly TB- Even with Brady gone and some cap losses they have talent, a good GM, and a good coach. The NFC South looks pretty open so maybe they get Jimmy G? Either way a solid QB can elevate them SF- Trey Lance played little but showed flashes. The roster is strong, coaching is pretty good minus clock mgmt, and front office has been solid for years now. If Lance can turn it on they will vault to Tier 1 DEN- Since Manning left Denver has routinely had a pretty solid roster… and the QB play has been anything but solid. PIT- Both sides of the ball has talent ready to be used. Can they get a QB to maximize it? CLE- Baker healthy has shown he can drive the ship alright for CLE. The problem is he hasn’t been very healthy and even when he was the skill guys he had didn’t mesh well. I would honestly love to see the Vikings and Browns swap QB’s to see what each team looks like. The rest of CLE roster is ready for the big lights. SEA- If Wilson stays they always have the potential to win 10+ games. The question is will he as it looks like he is ready and the team also for him to join a new destination IND- They have been trying to bandaid the position ever since Luck left. The roster has enough talent that good QB play makes this team far better like Rivers in 2020. Just average QB play like Wentz you get 2021. It may be a small step back but the time has come that they should consider drafting a QB and letting him grow even if record takes a one year hit. Tier 4: Roster needs help despite having some pieces NE- If you believe in Mac Jones growing big time then they move up to the 2nd tier. If you believe he stays as a Chad Pennington clone his ceiling isn't far away and much of what they saw last year. The offense needs an elite player or two at the skill position spots to infuse some life on that side of the ball. The defense is always solid and BB maximizes what it can do. VEG- Vegas got a bit lucky this year between winning a bunch of one score games and some tiebreakers to make the playoffs. The roster needs some real work in a bunch of areas and if Carr leaves they have a QB hole to fill MIA- The turmoil seems constant and it is hard to believe much coming out of there which makes roster mgmt. a mess. Advanced stats has shown Miami has gotten fat for two seasons on weak opponents and a defense getting opportune pieces. Tua has been the definition of up and down. The roster needs a better o-line and skill players, but the QB position will dictate whether they need full turnover or just retooling MIN- Their offense has a lot of talent but the defense needs a lot of work so the offense can have an off day from time to time. Kirk Cousins is probably the most maddening QB in the league as he probably is closer to being a Top 10 guy then given credit for, but his cap hit has made him dispensable ATL- Like many rebuilding teams there are some pieces that just need more seasoning and help, but were nearing a point were Matt Ryan is more a deterrent that asset moving forward. PHI- Credit their coach for selling out on offense for what they are good at to make the playoffs. Truth came once the Wildcard game happened as an aging defense was exposed for needing reinforcements and the offense is not there yet despite some talent. I actually would like to see them run back for a bit longer with Hurts but I can understand if they want a more pure passing QB. Tier 5. Roster needs a lot of work, but QB growth can move them quickly: JAX- No team is more maddening then the Jags. They wasted a year of Lawrence so Urban Meyer could be a creep. Get a coach who can actually do the job and help grow a QB and some true depth on the roster and they look more competent quickly. NYJ- They need talent in the worst way and better injury luck. Wilson had an uneven year at best and really needs some help at skill positions. The defense isn't as bad as the record. They need to do a 2019 Bills and get Wilson some WR's who catch everything and a line that give him time. They are the Jets though so most likely in 3 years they are in Tier 5. CAR- They just feel like a hodgepodge of ideas everywhere. The defense has some pass rushers and if CMAC is healthy he is good. But they need a true solution at QB and with their current coach I don’t buy he gets the most out of this lineup or can elevate it. CHI- Justin Fields showed flashes but he is now with a defensive head coach and how they help him will dictate the fortunes big time. Give Fields an O-line and a guy or two who catch the ball and see if he can carry the load for real, the defense is reasonably decent. NOLA: Realistically the Saints are going to have to eat a down year or two as they reset their cap and lineup. The plus side is if they can get up high in the draft they could fire the heir replacement to Brees as they reset their team a bit. DET: I honestly love what Campbell is doing here and truly hope he can turn the Lions around for real. They still need talent though and they need to get a QB this year or next to ride or die with. Tier 5. Ground floor rebuilds: NY Giants- Despite the Flores lawsuit they I think made two good moves at GM and coach. But their cap needs a reset, the talent is unknown due to the prior coaches failures, and they will probably need to find a QB Houston- This roster has very little talent, the draft picks are light this year, and culturally there are question marks. Amazing how fast this flipped in just a few years. Tier 6: Green Bay – They are their own category because its two options: 1. Rodgers comes back, the cap issues get kicked a year down the road, and they give it another shot to lose in the NFC title. 2. Rodgers leaves, Adams leaves, and their cap wrecks the roster as they imploded into a bottom 10 team.

Who proceeded to fall apart at the most important in the worst possible way 3 consecutive times. Their stats were boosted from weak opponents not overall defensive strength. They are a good D but the failing in KC at least has me open to a new vision to help improve things.

I am only going to say this. Peter King a few years ago (maybe more recent) had a thing on the number of rookies who started and played the entire season from start to finish and it was 34 players in that class. Everyone really wants to have their players be impact people from day one but truthfully if you have more then one rookie starting throughout that is pretty decent. The sport really is about the long term and where guys are 3-4 years later. Obviously when you are in a SB window you want things as fast as possible so I get the angst. Additionally this is a reason that it is advised teams load up on picks so you have a better hit rate as drafting across the board is generally 40/60 success rate. In regards to the Bills drafting I guess I would say they hit two big homeruns the first two years and have been average since: 2017: 3 major impact starters Tre White, Matt Milano, & Dion Dawkins... and a Peterman 3 rookie starters year 1 2018: Their first 6 picks are all players who start now in various ways: Allen, Edmunds, Phillips, Taron Johnson, Siran Neal, & Wyatt Teller (ugh) 2019: Oliver & Knox took time to arrive but they are here. Singletary seems to have found his way. Ford is a bust. The three years are really a big portion of the core of this team and Buffalo found their superstar QB & CB, Pro Bowl LT, serviceable LB, and then some decent starts at DT 2x, Slot CB, SAF, TE, & RB. Heading into the 2020 draft in many ways you felt like they couldn't mess up drafting as their hit rate was really good. They got Diggs with their 1st in 20 and only Tyler Bass & Gabriel Davis have really made a mark in this draft and 21 they got Spencer Brown with middling results across the board. So yea the last two years haven't had some of the hot picks or early success that the first years especially brought. But Oliver & Knox both took 3 years to truly become what they are today. So patience unfortunately is the key either way.

Ahhhh what? Jets 2x Fins 2x Bears Lions Packers without Rodgers and possibly Adams while also being 45 mil over Vikings Steelers Browns If they go anything less then 7-3 in those games we have a problem. Additionally Titans are home also and even though they have been a bug a boo your aren't in there house. The road has a four pack of KC/LAR/BAL/CIN which are all tough games but the Bills have been very good on the road and this last year beat KC/NE/NOLA all on the road while barely losing to TB. In general looking at the schedule now and rating difficulty is fools gold anyway as what we see now rarely is the case come the season. But if you were to ask me I think their schedule is set for 12 wins or better next year.

Overall I feel good about the Bills. Every year 31 teams are disappointed with how their season ends and only one is happy. Even when you are good most years you will be sad with a loss. The core of the team is set and just will need some minor tweaks and polish to keep moving forward. Daboll is a lost but I am excited to see what Dorsey can do. I honestly wish Frazier was gone I think for as successful as his D has been, the post season it has failed numerous times now and a different voice and style could help. My biggest question this year was how Josh would do after such a great 2020 and new contract. He answered the bell and won the big games when crunch time came and he was the reason they won those games. Moving forward any small doubt I may have had is gone and its just win baby I could care less about his stats. For this season itself I would call it a successful failure. They failed to close the game at KC and have a great opportunity to return to the SB. They failed to get home field advantage because they wasted three very winnable games JAX/TEN/PIT that would've given them the #1 seed or 2 seed. The season was much more of a dog fight something I think they now understand will be yearly affair and you rarely run rough shot the way they did in 2020 with little resistance. They succeeded though in winning the division again, pushing in division competition back, and winning in the playoffs. All of that matters in raising the standard and culture as proof 2020 wasn't a fluke and the AFC East is Buffalo's until further notice. Josh finished has evolution into a complete QB and the results were sparkling to see come the postseason. So they failed in the two big goals Sb and homefield, but success was still present and most importantly our QB finished his emergence is one of the best players in the league that people legitimately fear. Trust me that matters more then we realize right now. The AFC is wide open and tough at the same time given the great crop of young QBs. Be ready every post season for thrilling tight games and just hope we get a little lucky. In the offseason I would like to see some change at DE and a new face. I really think they need a true #2 CB in FA. Levi did well but I would like a new face also so Tre can recover as needed. The offense is set even with attrition to Sanders and maybe Cole and I expect some additions will happen to balance that.

So yes and no. Yes at this point the trade in 2017 paid off and was worth it. Neither side has buyers remorse in any way and if your a Bills fan it pay major dividends. No in the sense that until Josh leads this team to a SB and wins it his comparison with Mahomes will always being weighed slightly down by that. Mahomes has a ring, has been to two titles, and probably goes to a 3rd in 2018 if the OT rules/his defense both don't suck. Fair or not Josh nationally won't be completely equal until he gets the ring. Growing up Brady v Manning until Peyton got his ring it did feel like he was discounted however slightly despite Brady's advantages with team and coach. Allen winning a ring for Buffalo is equal his weight in gold.

lol non Bills related in 2007 the Pats were hosting the Steelers and Steelers CB Anthony Smith Guaranteed a Steelers win. Well Anthony "The Pats Are Going Down" Smith really outdid himself as the Pats burned him for like two TDs and Brady told him to f-off after one as they blew out PIT. I personally always hated Smith and I had to give it to Tom that they legit went after him and torched the crap out of the dude.

Good points. I would say the NFC South is probably the most interesting on if a big move happens. I have wondered if a team like Carolina grabs a guy like Jimmy G to at least make the playoffs. Tepper is absolutely feeling it and wanting to have some success.

They are going to lose some FAs but yea if TB can get a QB I can see them being a favorite. Like I said its kinda cool because there really isn't a sure thing.

I was thinking about how the AFC is loaded with young QBs and each division has a favorite or two. Then I looked at the NFC and while the West is loaded and the East has Dallas, with Rodgers most likely leaving GB and Brady gone the NFC North and NFC South are about as wide open as they have been in a very long time. The NFC North especially is wild to think that basically 30 years GB ran that division and now I think you could say it really is anyone's game. In the NFC South ATL may be the favorite next year only because they have an actual competent QB compared to the rest of the division. Personally I think it is pretty cool and for the Bills next year the NFC North is a real opportunity to stack some wins.

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