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I am not concerned about injury. I am concerned about maturity more than anything. Beane's presser he said the biggest frustration was Colemans inability to get it together as a pro as he is very young. The talent is there, but he really needs to learn the ins and outs of being a pro from practice to 100% intensity in games. The final against NE he mailed in that game and it was telling. I like the kid a lot but he needs to really evolve as a professional more than anything if he is to become a really dynamic player. It is why I said the offense and Josh specifically need to play the way they did this year in terms of taking the easy stuff while waiting for the kill shot. The defense will not get the same amount of turnovers, but the offense can limit theirs. Brady and NE excelled at rarely giving you anything to work with in terms of turnovers which made it incredibly tough to beat them.

Thank you and I will say this about Coleman and Kincaid. Every offseason posters will put up best case scenario for the team and certain players. I can't remember how many "Curtis Samuel is putting up 1300 total yards season" posts/comments came without maybe considering he could just be average or actually kind of stink. Conversely Spencer Brown was thrown to the wolves for his first two years before emerging into a truly good RT. I agree with you that there is legitimate reason to be skeptical about Coleman (lack of separation/speed) & Kincaid (not big enough and regressed this year). By the same token I won't be surprised if one of them emerges into a solid player. Not saying they become like Brown who has emerged into a real pro bowl caliber player, but into a solid starter.

Were enhancing the operation of the team to spying also now lol

Meant autopsy but it autocorrect to autospy and with this picture response I’m not changing it haha I expect him to be one of their starting two outside WR. I thought he had some good moments, but overall a C+ campaign. Injury didn’t help but he looked very immature at times.

Background: The Bills 2024 season came in with low expectations as the team reset its talent base with many veterans leaving holes that needed to be filled by youth and cheaper free agent additions. The division was expected to be a dog fight and the conference itself a buzzsaw as usual with the typical faces up to ready for battle What Happened: The Bills exploded through the season to a 13-4 record as QB Josh Allen put up an MVP worthy season, the offense became more balanced than ever setting a record for TDs scored between rushing/passing, the defense was solid for the most part, and the Bills cakewalked to a 5th consecutive division crown. The Bills entered the post season with a formable path but the first two games at home before having to head to the monster known as KC. The Bills blitzkrieg through the Broncos and then outlived the Ravens setting up another matchup in Kansas City. Time of Passing: 9:45 EST as a prayer of a pass was dropped by Dalton Kincaid Cause of Death: The defense for a 5th straight elimination failed to keep the opposition under 27 points and couldn't get any pressure on Mahomes who had another lights out game, the coaching staff was a step behind the opposition the entire time, special teams failed to make plays in coverage, some questionable calls hurt opportunities for Buffalo to stay ahead, and the offense had a B to B+ performance at best on a day they need to be A- to A with the defense struggling. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Antidotes & Remedies For The 2025 Season Offense: -Needs to add another pass catcher that can be better at separation and more dynamic on deep balls -Offensive coordinator who had a very good first year needs to be more creative in short yardage situations and less predictable at times vs better schemed defenses -Keep the theme of limiting turnovers and playing fundamentally sound through 2025. The Bills offense was very successful at creating opportunities because they did not let the opposition get turnovers or favorable starting points. Defense: -Add a bluechip pass rusher if at all possible. The Bills have two really nice/good at times rushers in Oliver/Rousseau who have had their moments but come up small when it matters. The names are out there for trade that could truly add some punch. -In general realign the talent base on the defensive line which has decisions to be made with Von, Jones, Phillips, & Smoot. DeWayne Carter was drafted last year and he had some solid moments in 2024 as did Javon Solomon, but the defensive line truly needs more young talent to build with. -Move on from Rasual Douglas who faded unfortunately in 2024 after a nice 2023, cut Elam if he can't be traded, and fine a true CB2 to play alongside Benford. The idea of DJ Reed mixed with a CB in round 2/3 would give a CB group of Benford Reed Johnson Rookie Ingram which takes a decent core into potentially elite level. -Safety Bishop looks ready to take the reigns with Rapp. Let Hamlin go and if a quality veteran exists consider adding them for insurance. -Add a defensive coach from outside the org for fresh ideas and perspective. Babich/McD had some good and bad in 2024 but again got their lunch eaten in January. The defense has not added an outside voice to the staff since Frazier. The time is present to reframe the approach and adjust. GM: -Be more aggressive with your needs in the draft rather than splitting one eggs. Elam & Coleman are examples of drafting need but trying to do so without taking a swing. Brian Thomas & McDuffie both were available in those drafts and Buffalo did not move for them. For as good as Beane has drafted overall, his last 3 picks to lead off the draft have left a lot to be desired in terms of impact (Elam/Kincaid/Coleman) and in general his best two first round picks being Josh/Edmunds both being in 2018. Again Oliver 2019 & Rousseau 2021 have been decent to at times very good and Diggs was acquired with the 2020 1st which was awesome. But with the window as open as it can be and resources finally back to being plentiful the time is now to make a trade for a proven player or move up for a player that has that bluechip impact you can't normally find in 20-32 range.

Agreed although im starting to enjoy the hotel california feel of this thread lol

The bigger issue is PHI in the game instead of literally any other opponent. KC at least is going for history with a threepeat and the whole Taylor swift element adds viewers whether I care or not. But there is nothing interesting about PHI to me and it creates another boring rematch like last year.

Which is why everyone saying like "this was a reset next year will be better with FA & new guys". Um the team was historically on pace in multiple categories which means regression from turnovers to health. Even if the talent on the team improves there is a higher percentage chance they finished 11-6 than they repeat this record or better. Additionally against BAL while I think their gameplan was quite solid they still benefited from the bounces (literally between fumbles & dropped passes). It is always a bear to make a run and the deeper you go the harder it is to replicate even if your talent base improves... unless your KC I guess.

I mean its not really a slight Reid-McVay are untouchable top 2 after that: Kevin O'Connell-Kyle Shanahan-Matt Lafluer-John Harbuagh-Jim Harbaugh all have had tremendous success and are credited for their coaching being a difference maker in big games. No way I put McD above any of them. So now your talking Dan Campbell, Sean Payton, Nick Siriani, Mike Tomlin, Dan Quinn all as guys to fill out the last three spots. McD would rank someone in that group. So yeah fringe top 10 feels about right depending on how you respect coaching what each guy does.

At this point I have just accepted that McD will be the coach for better or worse. He it probably a fringe top 10 guy in the league which means he is better than a lot but when he has to go against a Reid or coach of that caliber we are immediately at a disadvantage. To me in general the coach gm org itself is fringe top 10 but Allen raises the boats, Pegula knows if he touches it he risks losing the winning even though you can see a change could help. IF they actually ever break through its going to be because Josh was perfect and/or the defense finally makes some plays with competent enough coaching. But I am now pessimistic of even that happening anymore. You made the point with Levy getting out coached. I watched a thing on one of the two SBs vs Dallas and Johnson literally trained his players fumble protection and for defense proper technique to create fumbles. He excelled at even small things like that. Come SB sure enough it pays off for Dallas. Levy & McD are great leaders of men and macro mgmt type coaches, but the finer points slip when the details matter. Honestly Joe Brady regardless of the AFC title game showed more to me in terms of detail in his season and half then anything McD has done.

I absolutely loathe the Hasek comparison. With respect to Josh, Hasek is virtually the best hockey goalie of all time and only maybe Roy challenges him when you break out the advanced stats on how much Hasek did. By comparison Josh is going to be one of the top 3 for his era which is superb, but he is not going to be in the Mahomes Brady Montana Manning group unless he adds a ton of hardware quickly and some rings. They are not remotely comparable as players at this time despite my love for 17 and everything he has done. Josh had a good game not great and it isn't unfair to say he should've been a bit better, but that also factors in the entire team (minus Cook & Mack) and coaches should have been better. Somehow it is being lost that saying "I wish Josh did a little more" means throwing out that he still was let down by his defense and coaches. No one ever has pointed a finger at him for 21' because he was perfect in 13 seconds, he takes a little blame for this year and last year because he was a grade of B-B+ in both games and had errors not just limited to the last drive. This isn't year 2 or 3 anymore either, the hour glass is starting to lose sand and everyone is starting to feel like if not now then when.

lmao thought the same and had a lottttt of questions on his football credentials

I am sorry but it does not go back to 13 seconds and to me that game has forever been overblown. 13 seconds is a symptom just like the loss Sunday of the teams inability to breakthrough whether due to coaching, failed execution, ref calls, bad luck, or 17 himself not being at his best. I understand why people harp on 13 seconds but it fails to acknowledge: 1. The game did not get them to the SB 2. They had to win two more games to actually win the SB. 3. CIN was an absolute nightmare in 21 and 22 as shown by our loss. Just because the AFC title game was at home was no lock by any means that they would win and the Rams themselves were a more then formidable foe in that SB. 13 seconds is romanticized as the one because the offense was at its peak at the right time and it was year 3 of the rebuild so it still felt fresh and new. It fails to ignore reality that they did not win the SB that day and much work was needed to do that. Where I am in agreement with 13 seconds is that is when Camelot fell in terms of no criticism of coach/gm and the Bills finally missed their first chance at a good look at the SB. Up until this game everything had felt like progress and building, 13 seconds was the first fall nothing more. If the Bills keep spinning their tires and don't breakthrough long term 24' will look like a far larger miss than 13 seconds. Fits their narrative. It has been my biggest complaint with fans about 13 seconds is that somehow they not only beat KC but somehow won 2 other games and the SB in the divisional round. Major miss? Absolutely. Worse than this last Sunday? No way.

I have really wondered if the Bengals trade down and add more picks. I think Higgins walks but they need an infusion of talent on defense badly and it feels like they try to solve more problems rather then just taking a WR even if Higgins goes. The issue for CIN was not offense and Burrow can raise the floor for younger or lesser FA WR, like BUF this last year they really need to restock the defense if their goal is to get back with BAL.

If I were to rank them adjusting for era as the game was different literally for each QB comparatively I would go as followed: 1. Bradshaw 2. Kelly 3. Allen 4. Big Ben The game is in a whole different world now compared to the 1970s. In the 1970s the top 3 QBs were Staubach, Bradshaw, & Tarkenton. Bradshaw has the hardware, was a top 3 guy, has an MVP, was all decade, 2 SB MVPs etc.. he carries the weight across the board both talent for the time and accomplishments. I understand todays generation does not understand how drastically the game has changed, but era wise Bradshaw was a GOAT the way Josh is with Lamar & Mahomes except Bradshaw has all the hardware too. After that Kelly doesn't have a ring but he has everything else and for his time was again with in that Top 3 group. Additionally at retirement only Fran Tarkenton, Dan Fouts, and Johnny Unitas among Hall of Fame quarterbacks had passed for more yardage, and only Tarkenton, and Fouts had completed more passes. His impact on the game with the K Gun was revolutionary for its time. And to Kellys defense he led the team down for GW FG in SB25, he did his part even if he had a good not great game. Allen is clearly top 3 in the league and him & Lamar flip flop daily it feels for being #2 after Mahomes. Things get tricky because he has no hardware and no SB appearances at this point. But Big Ben for as good as he was never got an All Pro (either 1st or 2nd), no SB MVP although he was good in their 2nd SB win, and during his time of play he was never in Brady or Peytons class. There was a legitimate argument that he was the worst of the big 3 in the draft of 2004 and got drafted to the best situation compared to Rivers or Eli which only helped inflate his accomplishments. Big Ben is going to the HOF in a few years, but to me he is in the really really good crop of players not era defining. Allen is going to finish era defining regardless of hardware which is why I can get him to 3. If Allen wants to crack the top 2 he needs some hardware though at this point.

This is a fair point and I would add this offseason really is big in terms of the next 3-4 years as they have a youthful core that needs a bit more to push it over the edge. My counter point though is the Ravens were better this year than last regardless of record yet flamed out a game earlier. Yes more talent and resources can be added so the team has a larger margin of error and weapons to work with, but opportunity cost is real. Odds are they are not making the AFC title game the next 3 years straight and Josh has played half his prime. You had a truly golden chance to punch that ticket and missed. It is just as hard if not harder to get back to where they were on Sunday. I am not willing to write off this season as pure positive because the expectation was reload/reset when the big dance was right there. My confidence is admittedly shaken in the team and 17 so I won't comment further, but logically your more on point as is Joe than many of us want to hear right now.

I fully expect he won't move on from McD unless the team legit is 7-10 for two straight years. I just think the stability they have he won't touch even if it feels like the rope is nearly out of rope. For the record I actually think McD has grown as a coach the last two years and unlike playoff losses 2020-22 I have not been nearly as mad at him in this compared to those years. That said the reinforcements are coming this offseason and what is left to be said for him if 2025 again is the same outcome.

Really like this post but it is a difficult spot in terms of seeing McD let go. Pegula has smartly stayed the hell away and let the team be run by football people. This was supposed to be a reset year and they obviously blew past that but with greater heartbreak. They have some real resources to strengthen this new core and add some blue chip talent. Outside of not making the playoffs idk if Pegula would fire McD even if the next two years they lose and come up short. To me 2025 at this point is the make or break it year for McD and it shouldn’t be hard to move on if things don’t advance. But easier said then done and I just can’t see Terry moving off of the success outside of some major pressure W/L wise.

This is actually a complex convo. Losing this close to the SB or in the past in four straight SBs is pain and anguish to a level that’s unmatched. It’s why when people bring the Browns and Lions up for fan pain they don’t get it because they haven’t went through this, it’s legit different emotional pain that makes getting out of bed the next day tiring. It’s the pinnacle of your sport, your that close only to then immediately be that far away. The opportunity is not endless which only makes it worse. Viking fans get it as they’ve not only lost 4 straight but their NFC title game losses since have been Hannibal Lector level f*cked up. The BUT in this though is your team when your this good gives you a ride every few years and the hope and vibes attached really are something you can mix. It’s why the fall hurts so much more. The drought is irrelevance. Whatever bad happens does happen. You become irrelevant where you live the entire offseason hoping and buying every headline or story that favors hope only for reality to come swift and hard that no your team is trash. On the flipside your seasons over weeks before the season ends and you never get that fall that having a good season gives if it ends without a ring. If your 3-6 come November it sucks but your weekends become more free you can move on to other stuff and honestly the playoffs as a whole are more enjoyable because there is no let down. Yea the Browns are a laughing stock but it just becomes a passing joke and you move on. The drought was more frustrating because you lost more regularly and the irrelevance piece just sinks you as a fan thinking you matter in the league landscape. But the pain is less and the outcome is already determined. So yes the drought is easier to handle. Yesterday adds to the legacy of truly painful fan moments that we have as Bills fans. It’s worse because Josh is half through his prime and the scorecard is zero. We waited for the franchise guy, he’s here, and the end result is zero with absolute heart wrenching painful finishes for years now. It’s worse because I’m 36 and I legitimately fear if the Bills don’t make it with Josh, the only SBs that my team made in my lifetime, the pageantry, the buildup, hell the failure even; would have happened when I was 2-3-4-5. I don’t remember any of them. Lord knows how many others feel like that OR did live and see four straight and want one more dance before their clock rings like my dad who is 69 in April. The years aren’t limitless and the opportunities are only so few. Hope is brutal because if you feel like you have hope it can give a relentless energy like anything is possible. But once it’s gone, seasons toast it’s as dark as night. Drought days had little hope so while irrelevant and sucky it was easier, right now is the dream but the reality that comes when the dream fails is a nightmare that’s repeating for years now.

I let myself rage for the first bit after to get it out of my system. Now I’ll just move on to not focusing on football and eventually get back into it come august. Wont lie though the scars of this loss and failure to break thru have me giving up my seasons and in general pulling back. I’ll watch and go to a game or two but overall it’s not that serious and worth investing the way I have. I found accepting that has made it easier to move on and let it go.

Truth hurts doesn’t it. 17 ain’t got the goods and showed it again last night. Done ignoring reality, until he breaks through which he keeps failing at he is a choker and can’t do it.

3:32 and 3 timeouts can’t get it done. Last year fails when it matters vs KC. HOU in 2019. I’m over protecting or excusing Josh he owns the failure to. It isn’t gonna happen with him would rather regress then pretend it’s ever a reality at this point.

I’m out of juice with this team. Honestly the drought was easier because you were done by week 14 so whatever. Instead for years now teased of the big one with no result. Whether coaching or 17 they can’t do it and I’m over it at this point. Not renewing seasons and in general just stepping back as it feels like such a disappointing waste of time that won’t ever give a payoff.

Could care less. Trade him and get what you can, who cares at this point.

Yes he isn’t immune. He had the opportunity every QB asks for, but unlike Mahomes Brady Manning he failed. He’s had his chances to prove himself and hasn’t, he’s a choker until otherwise and they aren’t going anywhere with him.