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That is why we didn't keep our seasons after 2016. Cost was no issue as section 143 row 32 was $650 a ticket so for two it was a piece of cake at $1300. But having to come from Rochester broke me when you had 3-4 hr rides home because the traffic and accidents were brutal. We really did love having seasons and you kinda have a different feeling when you go all year and it becomes your section. I have wanted to split seasons since but haven't pressed hard.

His time has come and passed. He still drives the ship and the offense certainly felt his influence this year and in general the team seems to no longer be responding to him. 24' offseason will realistically define what happens to Allen long term in terms of talent around him. He is in the prime of his career and probably has 5-6 good-great years left before hitting 33-34 when QBs really start to slow. They have 9 picks and can open upwards of 40-50 mil in capspace while realistically letting some long term vets leave also. At this point I don't think McD should get another kick at the can with that type of resources to reshape the roster and coach. You can finally get an offensive head coach to see if they can max what Josh does and the offense rather then risking every few years a new OC whether fired or hired elsewhere. All of that mixed with it looks like the program is past its prime and Marvin Lewis esq in terms of ceiling makes me want to do the change when it still is prime.

Yep that is where I am at. For the first time since 2019 I got the feeling maybe Allen won't get the team to a SB and a lot of that is just because we are pissing away another year of his prime.

Honestly I completely agree it was a bad energy, but the moment they fumbled on the first play the air went out of the stadium and energy. Instead it was just here we go AGAIN which is exhausting. Most exciting part of the game for me was my buddy and I breaking up a fight/getting a guy to security who sucker punched someone. Mind you this happened in the 1st quarter so it wasn't like the true bad vibes were out yet.

Eh I think a lot of us after the Pats loss realized who this team was and it just is what it is right now.

I need a thread that lists all the threads of coaches/people were firing just so I can get it organized

The fact it took so long to get Kincaid going who from week 1 on has been open 24/7 was concerning. "First time caller long time listener"

Fast fact these are ideas and ways to improve. Your 100% right 31 other teams doing the same so of course it is a battle. At the same time it came out the Bills looked at ODB and then went with Hardy/Sheff mix so its not like they haven't explored this avenue

Going on my tombstone lol

Evans is a bandaid. Davis is gone and that is why I said draft a kid. But Josh has never had a vertical big WR like Evans I think he would excel.

When he is allowed to play the game in his best way like 20-22 he is incredibly dynamic and has led the NFL in total TDs. You can have some turnovers. As currently constructed with the offense and what they want is a problem and the turnovers become magnified They 100% are retooling this offseason. They have 9 draft picks and can open upwards of 50 mil in space. This actually is the time to do a new program and refresh the vision and lineup. Diggs cap hit is too much in 24, 25 though I think he is gone.

Just gonna shoot straight from the hip here and call it as I see it: -The losses have all been soul crushing type. NYJ/NE/DEN were last second crap that makes you want to scream. I will always rather lose by a lot then a little because it is far more painful. CIN wasn't as close but the Kincaid fumble ruined any real shot and JAX was close for the most part until the D wilted at the end -The Bills superbowl window with McD is over. The window with Allen 100% exists but there is only one path forward and the longer they take to make the wholesale change need at headcoach the less time they have with that window. -The direction of the team needs to be offense first and defense be damned. It has been pointed out numerous times and properly that the force to make Josh dink and dunk and be safe is back firing worse then just letting him be and the offense attacking. -The defense is fine and even injury wise held ok. But it is concerning that when the big moments come and they need a stop they keep faltering badly. I don't see that changing this season it is what it is. Long term I actually feel good about the defense when they are healthy for the future as outside of Von & the safeties they have good talent and are pretty young -The biggest issue not being brought up that can really derail the offense further is Diggs. His age is real and his days are very numbered, after him Kincaid looks like a stud and Shakir isn't bad but they do not have much. They really need to add a rookie and even a guy like Mike Evans this offseason to shore that up. They can hire a new coach/oc etc.. but the offense needs more at the WR spot otherwise any return back to high play we liked will be capped. -It is really frustrating as a fan that the regression is as real as it has been as a team and it feels we have fallen from being a Tier 1 team to middling at best. I cannot see any justification for keeping McD at this point. He did a great job stabilizing and building this team up, but his program is maxxed out and there is nowhere left to go with him.

Nope. My opinion since the defense got the plague has been they still have the ability to be a dynamic SB caliber team but it goes back to the offense finding the high points they are capable of and 17 just doing 17 things a bit more with less conservativeness. They should at least be a playoff team and anything less is total failure. They have 8 games to figure it out and at least get in the dance.

I would add this, getting a ring and going the distance eliminates the pressure of the business type approach that settles in as you try to climb the ladder. Even making the SB is a badge of sorts that you can at least have some swagger of going the distance. You hit the nail on the head that the pressure has come as expectations and success has grown. Kelly was 100% different because his first 3 years were in the USFL and when he came to Buffalo he already was a thing and it was more how long will it take to build with him. Kelly almost had the benefit of the doubt that he could have the swagger of a 1000 man from day 1, Josh had to earn it.

Rams in 21 lost after the bye, last year the Chiefs narrowing avoided a loss to the Titans led by Malik Willis in OT. Biggest thing about the bye is it allows some needed rest for players who are banged up, but there is no correlation good or bad. If anything in a game like this Buffalo probably has more of the edge given the loss last week and desperation setting in.

I will add that bye weeks while good for teams rest don't really show an impact on W/L. I think DEN defense is decent and Wilson actually has not been bad this year so hopefully the secondary can get healthy and the pass rush does its job a bit.

member when this use to be the major outrage of the week

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No one cares were the worst team ever your ruining the vibe a**hole! lol

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GUYS THIS TIME IT WAS SUPER DE DUPERTY SERIOUS!

At this point I kinda want to throw my hand up as making predictions seems pointless with how up and down they are. I usually post a longer prediction as it had good karma but I am shorting it up. The "get right game" doesn't exist at this point but I think the offense finally has its most consistent stable performance over 4 quarters since Miami. Buffalo scores on five of their 9 drives over the game going up 17-10 at halftime as there is no killer fumble or INT or Bass missed FG. The Broncos hang around enough and are able to get points but FGs instead of TD's as they get just one. Buffalo wins 27-19 as they have to grind out the clock for a little at the end but no hail mary fun this time. Allen 24-31 270 yds 2 TDs 51 yds rushing Cook 71 yds 9 atts 1 TD Diggs 9 rec 112 yds Poyer 1 INT 1 Sack 5 tckls

You can ask my wife I was screaming at my TV as the defense couldn't get off the field and time kept running. Opposing teams have gotten really good at running clock and limiting possessions which in turn has made our office which has been average to decent at best and made the situation even more pressure filled. Honestly it would be better if the defense allowed a faster score because at least the offense would get the ball back. CIN/JAX it was like these long death knell type drives that still ended as TDs which cut us both in score and ability to respond.

I have always taken his grade with a grain of salt. I think Kubiak has great analysis and generally makes me feel better about Josh if it was a bad game for the team. But sometimes like this game I curve the grade down a 1/2 grade or so. C+ / B- feels more right for the CIN game as like you said 2nd quarter was not good enough and the pick was awful. On the flipside the 2nd half they did get going and I really wish I could've seen Josh down 24-17 if the Kincaid fumble doesn't happen and they score like they looked like they were going to, but such is life.

It is so noticeable that the offense has an identity crisis and is trying to do too much. I think this is why then Josh locks scatterbrained or indecisive because too much is changing and we have no consistency. At this point they really need to revert to 11p/spread 4 or 5 with tempo and run it from there. You can mix in packages if it is red zone or short yardage etc.. but that should be the core focus moving forward. A lot of people keep bringing up 2021, but the offense never felt like it lost its identity as much as it just need to click and get it together which is why I never freaked when they were up and down. Right now I have real concern because they lack the consistency and the identity is still MIA so it is hard to see them winning 10-11 games without that and the D being porus. The most frustrating thing is Kincaid & Shakir seem to really be grabbing a footing which mixed with Diggs great play and a better o line the offense on paper has vastly more potential then what we have seen the last bunch of weeks. I am just not sure they maximize that potential at this point.