Royale with Cheese
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Your words -- "or throwing a bad ball should be counted too."
That's what I was addressing. Regarding the first part of the sentence, I don't think it should be included because we don't know the play design. But yes,I do think that drops on good passes and badly thrown balls should both be included.
Dave....I put "throwing a bad ball should be counted too" because you specifically stated drops are a valid indicator of a QB's performance. So by using your criteria, bad balls should be counted too. I don't think either should be used as a valid stat because they are opinion based.
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But you are not really addressing the core question: do teams factor in drops -- which are visible on film -- when evaluating a qb? They do, and they do it statistically because just about every team believes that accuracy is the most important gauge of a qb. Just because FO does it too is in no way a reason to discount them.
That wasn't the core question, the core question whether or not it's a legit stat. PFF is a discussion stat.
Please provide proof with a link or something that coaches "do it statistically" with drops.
They look at film and they know when a drop is a drop...they don't need to put it "statistically" because they know how to evaluate film.
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Huh? We have a stat for that: it's called an incompletion. In adjusted completion pct, it's also called an incompletion.
You can't be serious with this. An incompletion measures if the ball was a bad ball or missing an open WR? No way you're serious with this.
An incompletion is a bad that wasn't completed...that's it.
So you're saying if a wide open WR is running down field and the QB doesn't throw him the ball....that's an incompletion?
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Then we are talking past each other. Not a fan of the attempt to cast my point aside by referring to clicks and implying I am a "statboy." That is argument through insult, which isn't really arguing at all.
Like you said, though, to each his own.
Let me ask you this re official v non-official: what do you think actual nfl teams use when they evaluate qb play? You think they don't factor it in? They definitely do, and stressing the point that it's not "official" seems to me like a legalism to escape the import of the point.
You know what I think NFL Teams use to evaluate a player? Film. Film tells the whole story.
Eric Wood was talking about this on WGR last year and thinks PFF is a bunch of BS. He said if he pulls but the guard is pushed in the backfield and he can't get to his block....he would be graded negatively even though it wasn't his fault.
Do you know where PFF is evaluated? It's evaluated in England with the "Experts" watching broadcast footage. Yep, it's a legit stat.
[7] In contrast to the purely quantitative ratings released by sources like Football Outsiders, TeamRankings, and numberFire, PFF uses qualitative and opinion-based grading as the root of their ratings. As such, the ratings are not truly quantitative and could be seen as being prone to bias, poor sample sizing, or other issues.PFF has been criticized by the analytics community regarding the accuracy and veracity of its ratings. -
See my most recent post above and soend some time on football outsiders. More importantly, i can't actually believe I'm arguing about drops being a valid indicator of a qb's performance. It's patently obvious that they are.
Okay if you want to go that far, then a stat about a QB missing an open WR or throwing a bad ball should be counted too. Lets make that an "official" stat.
That is a valid indicator of a QB's performance?
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I am WELL aware of where total qbr comes from. Yet answer me this: why is that the best -- meaning far crunchier and analytical -- stat sites like FO and PFF factor in drops to to their qb evals?
Basically, every every modern stat approach to qb play factors it in.
Because those are FO and PFF. It's another measurement but it's not an official stat. Let me know when someone wins an MVP based on his PFF stat.
PFF can also be very flawed. You can keep arguing your point but these aren't official stats.
Rodgers completed 24-of-35 passes for 333 yards and five touchdown passes against zero interceptions, good for a 138.5 passer rating. But PFF, which grades every player’s performance on every play according to its more nuanced model, saw it differently. Take a look at how Rodgers, who graded a negative 0.8 for the game, stacked up against other QBs in Week 3:http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/pff-aaron-rodgers-negative-grade-packers-chiefs-mnf-092915
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Then why do most f the major stat sites feature total qbr now? Pfr and nfl.com all feature it. It is part of the statistical landscape now, for real.
See Kidds response. Total QBR is an ESPN stat.
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It is most definitely factored into total qbr, and thus a real stat for many. Check it out:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/6833215/explaining-statistics-total-quarterback-rating
The QBR isn't an official stat. It's an ESPN statistic.
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Huh? Please explain your logic. It makes no sense to me. It seems pretty obvious that one could adjust the completion percentage by including passes dropped that should have been caught. It is actually factored into the newer total qbr rating, the ooint being to provide a more accurate and true measure of the qb's performance. All the qb can do is deliver the ball; if a good throw is dropped, he shouldn't be assigned blame for it.
Dave...nothing can be official or real when it doesn't happen. Drops are part of the game, just like holding, pass interference, illegal motion, illegal player downfield etc....
It's a "what if" stat.
You're not going to see an adjusted completion percentage stat in the record books.
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No, it's actually a real stat that makes a ton of sense if you look.
It's not a real stat Dave. It's another way of looking at a game or a player but it's not an official statistic.
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two sides to the coin. like I said, both have been on a major crusade through the off season that has/is carrying over in to the season.
right wrong or otherwise, a crusade is just that, a crusade.
not real impressive company with McCown there.
McCown was doing his best job of impersonating Trent Edwards. How do you complete 26 passes and have 187 yards?
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TT played decent game.. Hopefully he builds off of it.
Transplant.....no sense in escalating your blood pressure over someone who won't give TT credit you feel he deserves. You might say that you're not getting worked up but replying to every single response that isn't favoring Taylor this game is showing frustration.
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99 not even in the stat line.
The only time they mentioned his name was to say "We haven't event mentioned Dareus today.".
He did a good job in run support. Not many holes up the middle.
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He hasn't done crap today
The hell he is. What Maybe 10 plays a game he is and still not worth 100 Mill. This guy has NOT been worth the BS or the money he makes.
What defensive lineman did anything today?
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I read a lot in the offseason that Poyer had one of the lowest PFF grades...
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I really wonder if some of you guys are A. Not real fans or B. Just live extremely miserable lives
Just because he said Taylor hasn't looked amazing?
I agree with him....what's amazing?
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Shady was wide open. Wish Tyrod was able to dump it off quickly
Yeah he was.
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The next step should be street free agent.
I still can't figure out why he made the 53.
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Ducasse went from competing for a starting position to not dressing.
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i wonder how the genius is feeling now about trading chandler jones for a guard?
And Jamie Collins.....
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Unleashed like the Kraken? Will he rise up from the depths of Lake Erie and attack the Jets team bus?
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he seemed in good shape, sending prayers Did really well on America's got Talent last year, think he took second.
He finished around 5 or 6. That Grace Vanderwall took 1st and the Illusionists took second. Dorenbos I felt should have been higher. He was sensational in his performances.
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I wonder what McDermott would think about the McCoy that called his coach a racist for trading him.....kissed the Eagle a mid-field pre-game and then avoided the media after the game and didn't return back to Buffalo with the team after a loss that was devastating to their postseason hopes?
I think he's changed........but if you don't......that's your opinion and you are welcome to it.
Can you show me a link where McCoy specifically said Kelly was a racist for trading him? I know he said he got rid of all the good black players....Desean Jackson and Brandon Boykin. McCoy was a little more negative in his remarks, Boykin said he didn't relate with grown men of our culture.
So he kissed the Eagle....so what. He's from Pennsylvania, went to HS in Harrisburg, played at PIT and drafted by the Eagles. His entire life has been in that state until traded to Buffalo. He ran hard and played hard in Buffalo...that's all I care about.
I'm not sure if you know but it isn't uncommon for players to not be on the return flight home. They usually don't report until Wednesday for practice after game day Sunday's. I've been on flights with other players (Bills and non Bills) in the NFL who weren't traveling with the team after the game obviously.
Touche
I knew your post was a joke and I chuckled a little.
Should I be angry? I didn't feel anger when I read it.
We shall see about Washington. Big year for him to see if he has improved.
If Kyle comes back another year, that would be great.
Also, file this away, Star Lotuleilei is a UFA after this season.
Maybe Carolina franchise tags Star, we trade him for Dareus. Super Bowl!
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Then what?
I think that's going to be our top priority next year after packaging picks to move up and take a QB.
I have no idea what to think about Washington if he can step up or not.
Maybe, just maybe, Kyle Williams stays one more year because he sees promise in 2018.
Tyrod Taylor 2.0?
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I concur.