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I think you're a little petty being that its March. It's not like they went from Favorites to out of the top 10. We could jump to #1 again. Fanduel, Oddshark, Draftkings have is just behind the Chiefs. But yes, I want more help for Allen.

They are between 2-5...how does that not make them Super Bowl favorites being in the consensus top 5? Not the favorite as we can see but a top 5. Last year the Eagles were 12th. Only 6 teams have won the Super Bowl as the preseason favorite.

Current odds. https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/futures/ Kansas City Chiefs +600 Buffalo Bills +850 Philadelphia Eagles +900 Cincinnati Bengals +900 San Francisco 49ers +900 Dallas Cowboys +1500 Baltimore Ravens +1600 Los Angeles Chargers +2000 Jacksonville Jaguars +2500 Detroit Lions +2500 New York Jets +2500 Los Angeles Rams +3000 Miami Dolphins +3000 Green Bay Packers +3100 Cleveland Browns +3500 Denver Broncos +3500 New Orleans Saints +3500 Minnesota Vikings +4000 Las Vegas Raiders +4000 New York Giants +4000 Pittsburgh Steelers +5000 Carolina Panthers +5500 Washington Commanders +5500 New England Patriots +5500 Seattle Seahawks +6000 Chicago Bears +6500 Tennessee Titans +7000 Atlanta Falcons +7500 Tampa Bay Buccaneers +7500 Indianapolis Colts +25000 Arizona Cardinals +28000 Houston Texans +28000

Because those guys aren't typically let go by teams and signed to long term extensions. And if the hit the market, they get insane money. I mean Juwan Taylor a RT just got an $80 million dollar contact to play LT where he's never played before. I'm more of a believer in drafting and developing offensive line talent. It seems like, I could be wrong, but it seems like that big offensive lineman contracts bust more often than any other unit.

You can lose instincts. Especially after an injury…you become more likely yo hesitate. I believe this is what kept Tre out for longer than normal. But then you have Von Miller who wasn’t fazed at all.

I like the moves but nothing gets me totally excited. I like the potential for McGovern and Deonte Harris. I like that Bates probably moves back to LG where I think he's stronger and an upgrade over Saffold. I anticipate McGovern is a better RG than Bates. Bates IMO made his name as a LG in 2021. I don't feel comfortable with Spencer Brown at RT. We don't need a star RT but also don't need a liability like Brown is. Jeremy White brought up a good point. You have to be really, really special in something if you're a 5'6 and playing in the NFL. Looks like the Bills are giving him that shot to untap it. We need another WR and I suspect we aren't done looking.

Yeah, I was a main culprit. It started with me criticizing the statements that McGovern isn't good because of his PFF grade isn't high. I didn't let it die. Sorry guys.

I'm with you here and it makes me laugh thinking about it. Usually when the team doesn't have the coaching, the talent or the GM...that's a 2-3 win team.

Did I tell you I scored 4 TD’s in the Chicago area city championship at Polk High?

Scoring a TD on 40% of your catches is something you tell a girl a bar trying to impress her.

“PFF is scientifically sound and valid” lol

lol this isn’t the same as Customer Satisfaction survey to see if people prefer Coke over Pepsi. Geezus dude.

Not in a player evaluation grade lol. A player evaluation is a subjective analysis/observation. Its why not every teams Draft Big Board is the same lol. Remember when you said “just because you play football doesn’t mean you know football?” I starting to think just because you have an Engineering degree….

Great. Just because he has a degree is Science doesn’t mean it can be applied to a game of football lol.

🤣PFF follows a scientific process. Dude come on. I did go to college and received a secondary education degree and was certified in Middle Grades and Secondary Science. He’s doubling down on his statement too.

PFF is scientifically valid😂 Geezus lol

I'm watching this now. Is that how scientists view black holes?

I think we've been pretty good in the slot when we had Beasley 2019-2021. Last year that was a big issue without him.

IMO, he was supposed to do more or they wanted more out of him. He was replacing Beasley and was supposed to give us that more athletic slot guy and can get a little more YAC. That type of production is something that's not totally hard to replace.

Richard Noggin sent you this. You only replied to have his quote...for a specific reason. So I guess football disagrees with Greg Cossell as well. He basically said the same thing as Lang but used the word "difficult" instead of "impossible". I've already put Kelce's quote which is the same thing. So basically any NFL Player who says unflattering things about PFF potentially doesn't have the knowledge of scope of the full game. You cherry pick your stats as well. Only using PFF when it says what you want it to say. Greg Cosell (a broadly respected pro), on the other hand, continually reminds Schopp and the Bulldog that there are NUANCES WE CANNOT KNOW when watching film. And this has been his credentialed day job for a long time. He will offer his best educated guesses and opinions, and be repeatedly (maybe evasively) insistent that the scheme-specific and even play-specific nuances in overall design, individual techniques, pre- and post-snap checks, calls, and reads, etc., are difficult to know for sure, especially in the cases of breakdowns and missed assignments. It's actually fascinating to explore and acknowledge these possibilities. But it won't get the same online engagement, most likely...

You're acting like this evaluation and system is flawless lol. Yeah it's theirs but that means the players should agree with it? They clearly think it's *****.

Lang covers that. "If a guy clearly gets beat, that's one thing. But if you're going to say, 'This guy didn't pick up the linebacker, this guy missed a blitz,' there's no possible way that you can know that unless you know what the offensive linemen's responsibilities are. And nobody else knows that," Lang said. "I don't know what Arizona's offensive line does. They might do something completely different than what we do."

This is just stupid...geezus. TJ Lang played for multiple schemes...I guess he's full of ***** too. I think some positions are easier to grade. If you see a quarterback make a bad decision, that's obviously easy to grade. But when it comes to offensive and defensive line play," he said, "there's just so much scheme that goes into what we do up front that nobody else outside of the building can possibly know what we're supposed to do. "But you're trying to grade guys negatively and give guys bad reputations. You're throwing out, 'This guy missed an assignment here.' You don't know what the assignment is, so you have no qualification to say that in the first place. All it does it make guys look bad because now a lot of media outlets are quoting PFF and using their grades." The appeal of PFF is that it doesn't grade a player's performance in a vacuum. (All interceptions aren't created the same.) It considers context as much as outcome -- Lang just believes that context is beyond the evaluators' reach. "If a guy clearly gets beat, that's one thing. But if you're going to say, 'This guy didn't pick up the linebacker, this guy missed a blitz,' there's no possible way that you can know that unless you know what the offensive linemen's responsibilities are. And nobody else knows that," Lang said. "I don't know what Arizona's offensive line does. They might do something completely different than what we do. "Especially a guy sitting on the outside behind his computer looking at the game, there's no way he knows what the hell's going on either. It's a total joke, in my opinion, as far as it goes grading offensive linemen." Lang will appear on the Valenti Show on 97.1 The Ticket this season every Tuesday from 5 to 6.

I understand there is a difference but how does that mean that PFF know more about the player responsibilities more than the player himself? So if a PFF guy and Travis Kelce are watching film breakdown of the Chiefs OL play. The PFF guy is going to be able to evaluate Kelce better than Kelce? This is their gripe and it's not legitimate? This is what Kelce, Wood and Lang said...they aren't going to know all of my objective.

I don’t hate everything PFF is. I just don’t think highly of their grading system for players. My reasons I have provided and its the same reasons as other professional players. Its a discussion topic. This entire PFF discussion came up because Connor McGovern didn’t grade well at PFF. One poster in particular is saying that it’s basically proof he’s not that good. I also find it funny how there are posters who are treating their evaluations like gospel. To the point where Einstein says “in no universe is Andy Reid a good offensive line evaluator”. Well, PFF he’s actually rated him well in that particular area. So there are times we can use PFF grades and apparently not…cherry pick which time to use it. Yeah, obviously its two different scales. But why have two different scales for one overall player evaluation and not specify it to the reader? But not to mention, regardless of two different scales, one had Rodgers graded negatively.