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We wouldn't be talking about this if White makes the tackle.

I'm hoping this is a real wake up call for Allen. He's had bad games and turnovers before but last night was embarrassing. He seems like a guy that when embarrassed, the fire comes back. He doesn't have fire anymore.

It is a good point and WGR has pointed that out too. It takes us sh****** our bed for them to beat us and it's only by one score. We shoot ourselves in the foot.

The OL hurt Allen in the Bengals game. He didn't play well but he was under duress a lot. I wasn't pleased his play in the Bengals game but wasn't upset with him. Last night was different. Last night it was Allen.

I posted this in another thread and I think it makes perfect sense. According to Brown, this is repeatedly told to Allen by McDermott/Dorsey. I think Chris Brown on WGR just said it perfectly. He said he had a conversation with a long time veteran Coach. This coach said "the difference between the NFL and college football is College Football is about touchdowns, NFL is about first downs." When you get to the redzone, then you worry about TD's. This is the efficiency model that rode Brady to 7 rings and what Mahomes did last year.

I wished we would have taken more shots downfield on the outside....like fly routes. The two INT on the deep posts were into double coverage. Meaning I think that someone on the outside would have been singled up.

When it rains, it pours.

He was throwing but this would be something in which he didn't anticipate correctly? I think it was Manning or some other iconic QB...basically he said what separates a good QB from a bad one is the good one knows what's not there sooner.

Amateurish and 30 years behind with fitness and nutrition? Why are players bigger, stronger and faster today than 30 years ago?

Needs to be shared.

I wasn't trying to state Diggs was a problem, we just didn't have any space with any catch from anyone. They were on us like glue.

I won't argue about Daboll and him scheming more open WR's. We've seen it from Dorsey but it's much more inconsistent...something is going on there. Even on the Davis big gain, Diggs was in the area. As Aikman said, Diggs needed to clear out more but didn't. There was a miss communication or something. Diggs wasn't separating last night either.

I am not blaming the WR and their YAC ability yesterday. They didn’t have room to move because they had someone on them immediately. Even on Diggs slant routes, there wasn’t much separation.

You know the definition of being composed…I think. So you come to this message board just to B word and be stupid? If that’s who you are, more power to you?

When you're up by 10 and facing a back up QB, you don't need to be great. We could have continued this style and would have won comfortably. Allen needs to have better situational awareness.

LOL Just because people don't come on this message board and whine and B word relentlessly doesn't mean this team doesn't upset them. I am very upset about last night but you can still keep composure.

It's hard for me to equate these Giants to the 2018 Bills because Allen was a rookie and we cleaned the roster out....we had something like $50 million in dead cap space. We went on a spending spree the next year in 2019 once we alleviated that dead cap. The Giants have signed their veteran franchise QB and this is his 5th season. The Giants have a much better roster than our 2018 Bills....much better. I don't see Daniel Jones taking the Giants to a deep playoff run. You're a "It's all about the QB" and you think he's that QB?

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That mind lost 40-0 at home to Dallas on Sunday. I agree with you about Diggs. Allen was forcing it to him for whatever reason. Allen shouldn't be shook or he needs to toughen up mentally if that's the case. Joe Burrow, prior to the second half of last year and a much more porous offensive line and he worked his way through it. He was sacked 9 times in a playoff game once. He was sacked like 15 times in the first 3 games last year. He got through it.

Allen's created more pressure on himself. Just because he bails doesn't mean he's pressured. He had zero pocket awareness last night. He bailed on clean pockets a lot.

I would say Allen held the Bills to 3 points. Your defense is legit but Allen made it easy on them.

He's averaging 2 turnovers a game since last year....2.

"This play call sucks, let me throw into double coverage downfield where my WR has no chance at catching it." "This play call sucks, let me drop the snap, then pick it up instead of falling on the ball and fumble it."

If Tre White doesn't miss the tackle on the Breece Hall big run, then we aren't talking about the run defense at all today.

Is it too much to ask Josh not to turn the ball over 4 times and not to throw downfield into double coverage? His TD/INT ratio since midseason last year is awful. Who gets credit when Allen plays well? Certainly not the coaching staff right? Who deserves blame when Allen plays poorly? Certainly the coaching staff right? If you're blaming anyone more than Allen last night, you're pointing your finger at the wrong person. It simply was Allen.