Matt_In_NH

This has some information but not everything. Guess it doesn't really matter. Anyway, his base is cut from $17.5 million to $8.855 which saves 8.645 on the cap...that is not guarantees that is cap. His guarantee for 2024 was 10.71M. What is it now? Also, some of that Here is another nugget online ". They moved more cap into the future by converting some of that compensation into a bonus and prorating it, but the details of that remain unclear." So some of the cap decrease is not just a paycut, I contend the paycut is not that signficant, they are giving him the opportunity to make it all up and then some, so it was a trade off of guarantees for a high ceiling for Von. The restructure saved a lot of cap, did not reduce his guarantees a "TON". They accomplished this by some traditional restructure....converting salary to bonus and prorating it and some by a change in the guarantees for 24 with the NLTBE incentives. Over the cap mentions the details are not out "Miller accepted a pay cut in 2024 reducing his salary from $17.5 million to $8.885 million per ESPN's Field Yates. We have updated his contract figures for 2024 based on a handful of reports about the pay reduction and will update further when we receive more information on the contract." Anyway, the cap reduction is what people care about but tit is not being as widely reported that they did bonus proration which is not great for his situation. According to multiple reports, the Bills and linebacker Von Miller agreed to terms on a contract restructure. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports that Miller's 2024 base salary of $17.145 million was lowered to $8.5 million. Additionally, there are "reachable incentives" that can get him back to earning $17.145 million and additional, higher incentives to bring him nearly $20 million. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2024/3/7/24093419/von-miller-updated-2024-contract-details-with-incentives-explained https://fansided.com/posts/bills-continue-free-up-cap-space-restructuring-von-miller-contract-01hrb563tgtt

That is cap savings not guarantees. Big difference.

Do you know the specifics or where I can see that? How much is a ton? I am interested in the before and after.

What are the details of what he did? I read he gave up 2M in guarantees but can earn that back and then some based on incentives? So he gave the bills some downside protection but he got some upside.

Does anyone know if their are implications since he is injured? During training camp I often hear about how you cannot waive an injured player. Is that different in the offseason? I have to assume he is not yet cleared.

Let's withhold judgement until after FA.

For tomorrow can we cover "our" vs "are"?

As a True Bills fan, my feelings are better than yours

Over Morse, Poyer and White? White has not been available for years, Poyer was showing his age. Morse is a hit but something that can be absorbed. I totally disagree, this is retooling and will not impact overall results expectation very much.

Or people don't know how to correctly interpret what they guy who used to do the job tell you.

Seems like he will get paid handsomly..........somewhere else

Feels like a bust so far but at the same time I would like to see him play more. He just seems like "not a scheme fit" and maybe should be traded.

Or you can do it, you know the stand sideways approach and kind of toss it to 17 when he says "hike". I think we can sign you for less than 500k

Douglass and Benford are your starters.....they need depth, think rookie, other lower priced vets

The way I think about this is any big contracts you hand out affect your potential to hand out other large contracts, the cap is soft an manipulatable but the optimal way to approach it is with judicious decision making. For instance did the Bills need to resign Poyer last year at 7M or whatever he got and 2M of dead cap this year? They are ripping the band aid off now, I contend that could have been done last year. Y

Understanding it is for the better and being sad are not mutually exclusive true Bills fan.

Yesterday brought some clarity to this thread. The cap is not fake but it soft and can be manipulated to a point. But it is real not fake. As polian says. The cap does not forget and does not forgive.

So they should waive Taron Johnson too right? The concussion thing is so overblown with Morse.

Harty and hardy the same day. This will never be duplicated.

I thought you ca t waive an injured guy? Are there no implications from the Achilles?

Three games. We all know about the injuries.

It does not compare. HOFers vs good players. That was the end period. This is a new beginning. The team is still ascending and. Needs a eeset

rght now it shows about 1 million in the hole and that is without Tre White's cut. You can go in there an add that, restructure Josh and Diggs gets you to 45 Million in cap for 24 if the Bills wanted to do that.

He hasn't been there for the last 2.5 years.

What does his wife think?