Matt_In_NH

Dez has overplayed his hand greatly. The reasons Dallas moved on were because he is a head case and was late/no show to meetings. He is not a good fit in buffalo at all.

So what do we have, a WR3A, WR4, WR9 and two WR10's?

Hmmm that is Shady

I thought that meant a guy tackled him 6 seconds after he scored a TD

That would be useless, he just jumps over people...duh!

The NFL is a tough business to stay in.....lots of turnover.

If I had to pick today and my life depended on it I am going Mahomes. But the reality is there is not enough info out there yet. Ask this question in three years and the answer will probably be clear. Willing to be 100% of Chiefs fans would vot Mahomes.

There are only two elements to the rule, was the player defenseless and was the hit unnecesary 1. Was he defenseless? Yes 2. Was the hit unnecessary? I argue no based on the rule language I referenced but I am obviously wrong. If you are unsure about if it was unnecessary then maybe you get into is it incidental and could he have avoided it. Again the rule clearly ALLOWS for helmet to helmet touching which is what happened here. It had to have been forcible hitting the head or neck. I just watched again and I guess they can argue there was forcible head or neck contact but the majority of the hit was absorbed by the shoulder. White needs to hit him lower which might allow the receiver to advance the ball further.

Since you seem to be an expert lets have a discussion based on the rule. The rule is unnecessary roughness on a defenseless player as the NFL tweeted, not the new helmet to helmet deal. I dont see how that rule applies to this play. Here is the content of the the rule with the link below. Lets pay special attention to the bolded and especially the bolded and underlined Note 1. First you are talking about helmet to helmet contact, the rule has a note that says "Note 1: The provisions of (b) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent." I am not sure what (b) is referring to but this clearly says incidental contact by mask or helmet is NOT prohibited, isn't that what happened here? The rule talks about a player initiating "unnecessary contact" against a player in a defenseless position. I would describe White's contact a necessary, not unnecessary. He needed (it was necessary) to tackle the receiver and prevent a first down. The first section defines a defenseless posture, lets agree that the receiver was defenseless, by paragraph 1.2. Then we have to go to section 2 which defines the prohibited contact against a defenseless player. Section 2.1 talks about "foricibly hitting" the players head. No way I think that happened, the heads touched, not forcibly. Section 2.2 talks about lowering the head, that does not apply, White clearly had his head to the side to prevent forcible head to head contact. Section 2.3 talks about launching himself. Both of Whites feet come off the turn as he is finishing the tackle but he did not "launch". What part of section 2 did White violate? It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture. Players in a defenseless posture are: A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass (passing posture) A receiver attempting to catch a pass who has not had time to clearly become a runner. If the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player The intended receiver of a pass in the action during and immediately following an interception or potential interception. If the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player. Note: Violations of this provision will be enforced after the interception, and the intercepting team will maintain possession. A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air A player on the ground A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return (Also see Article 6(h) for additional restrictions against a kicker/punter) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession (Also see Article 9(f) for additional restrictions against a quarterback after a change of possession) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the path of the offensive blocker is toward or parallel to his own end line. A player who is protected from an illegal crackback block (see Article 2) The offensive player who attempts a snap during a Field Goal attempt or a Try Kick Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is: forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenselessplayer by encircling or grasping him lowering the head and making forcible contact with the crown or ”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenselessplayer’s body illegally launching into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (i) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (ii) uses any part of his helmet to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body. (This does not apply to contact against a runner, unless the runner is still considered to be a defenseless player, as defined in Article 7.) Note 1: The provisions of (b) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent. Note 2: A player who initiates contact against a defenseless opponent is responsible for avoiding an illegal act. This includes illegal contact that may occur during the process of attempting to dislodge the ball from an opponent. A standard of strict liability applies for any contact against a defenselessopponent, even if the opponent is an airborne player who is returning to the ground or whose body position is otherwise in motion, and irrespective of any acts by the defenseless opponent, such as ducking his head or curling up his body in anticipation of contact. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defenseless-player/

Hes been tagged two years already...are you paying attention to the situation with the Steelers? LOL

trading for him is a short term proposition though, no new contract can be negotiated til after the year so its a half year rental. His demands wont change and I dont think he cares who pays him, he wants the most money he can get. No reason to think he will be loyal to a team that pays a 5th rounder for him

I hope you are joking

Gotta be better than Beth Mowins

He and Preston can talk about all the "weird things happening in Buffalo" Is he a starter off the Bus in Cinci?

"The Bills' offense has gone three-and-out on 54 percent of drives this season, on pace to be the highest rate for any team in the past 15 seasons." LOL

Just give the QB's red jerseys and be done with it.

Staying in Milwaukee, Brewers game Sat night, checking out the Pinto Kenny tailgate Sunday....

So he is limited in defending himself, does that mean you are not allowed to tackle? On that play, given where the catch was relative to the first down marker, it was critical to tackle him immediately. Is that not allowed? What does the NFL expect the defender to do in that situation? That play was really close, I can see arguments both ways but given it was a TD on the field I think it should have stood. I think people forget what things were like before replay. There were cases where a defender went for an INT, the ball bounced on the ground during the catch which would always be reversed today. Before replay it was left as called, an INT, possible game changing. The NFL does get the obvious calls right (for the most part) now vs they did not before replay. The ability to go frame by frame in HD makes the gray area calls still controversial. But all in all, replay has improved the quality of getting calls right by a lot even though there is still a lot of controversy.

Every half? I think he has improved every play, by the end of the next game I expect him to just take the snap and leap 80 yards to the end zone.

And what would we have said 2 days ago? Lets wait for the season to play out more before we conlude all these guys are great signings.

Great play by Allen but I dont get the comparison to the Kelly play. That was against the HATED Dolphins, that was for a win on the road in a season where playoffs had meaning, the team was going places. This team might be going places but its not clear they are this year. Allen would need to do something spectacular against NE to win the division from them for this to be comparable. Could happen in a year or two if things go well.

Ive seen this movie before, the ending sucks

So basically there is not aggressively tackling a guy to stop him from getting a first down anymore. If a guy catches it before the sticks and his momentum is going forward you just have to let him have the first down.

I did? You now misread two times........slow down, look at the words carefully.

I think you misread. That is why I said the Bills defense chewed up the Viking offense, cause they did.