Matt_In_NH

I get what you are saying and there is truth to it but winning in the playoffs is a hard thing. You have to give him credit for his total body of work. Those 9 times were years his team made the playoffs, plus all the others where he advanced. His team made it to 4 SB's with 4 different coaches. In all cases that is the only SB for the head coach. Brady has Belicheck If you look at Bradys post season stats as compared with regular season since 2005 you see a pretty big drop off just like Manning if you look at TD's/INT's, rating. Both QB's are 2-2 in the SB since 2005. I say since 2005 because the teams Brady was on in 2001-2004 were very different, Brady's role on those teams was very different. Manning played Brady 4 times in the AFC Championship game and won three. People don't seem to know that stat, instead there is this perception that the Patriots owned Brady in the playoffs which is not true. Since 2005 they have played pretty even but Peyton was 3-0 in the playoffs. Having said all that, I would say Brady is better than Manning. I just think there are arguments in Mannings favor and its not as lopsided as a lot assume.

Im comparing to the 90 not 70's or 80's. Sports science is always progressing but they had nutritionists and were very big strong and fast. There have been much larger changes in rules than there have been changes in nutrition. Other positions are not experiencing the same longer careers.

The amount of big hits QBs take today is way less than in the past. No matter how much faster, stronger and bigger defenders are now, they cant and dont take the shots on QBs that used to be allowed. The great QB's are making it to 40+ years and still playing at a high level, that never used to happen cause they would be disabled.

It is hard to compare the different generations but I agree that rule changes have made it possible for QB's to 1) almost never lose time to injury and 2) Play into their low 40's. QB's can stand in the pocket and throw the ball knowing defenders will go out of their way to NOT hit them after the release. Bruce used to take 2 steps and crush Marino play after play. Those hits took a physiological toll that only happens today if you are getting to the QB before the release. A couple facts about Peyton: He faced Brady 3 times in the AFC championship game and won all three. Also, he went to 4 super bowls with 4 different coaches who were coaching in their only super bowl of their careers. Compare that to Brady who is with arguable the greatest head coach of all time. Having said all that, I think it is sitll reasonable to argue Brady is the best ever, but it is not indisputable by any means.

Wood could play quite a few more years. Not sure why we are quick to show him the door.

Gilbert sucks

There is gonna be a big opportunity for a little known WR to have a lot of playing time in Buffalo at WR, hopefully someone steps up big.

And Jamie Collins

Waste of time.....actually even worse because you would not address WR enough to account for when he gets banned for life 2 months after you get him.

I am thinking it will be a WR

I was assuming those three would not be returning since the season ended. I am fine with Gilmore leaving, he is good when he wants to be but he does not always want to be. Robert Woods is a big loss. Aaron Williams wont be playing any more football, at least that is what I think.

They get a second round pick for 18 million bucks on this years cap. Plus whatever upside Osweiler has.

Was he welcome before he went to prison?

He absolutely had the type of passion and desire you want all your players to have.

I am just saying the the Bills could not assume they have Aaron Williams at safety next year. He could try and come back to get the money to end up on IR, He could end up on IR again. You are better off moving on, knowing you have a need to address that assume you have him and then have to deal with no safety for most of the season. The draft is supposedly very deep at safety. They need multiple....and moving on from Aaron does not change that.

Already was, we could not assume Aaron Wiliams would be play and stay healthy, it was already a need. This is the right move.

Tough dead cap hit but its the right move.

IF all is equal then yeah, throw lots of money at him and most of the time the player will take the extra money. Not saying that is a good idea but in general money talks.

I don't have an issue with Whaley turning him away, you can't accept help from every person who offers to be a coach. What is Christie's coaching history, who has he "helped" get out of a slump in the past? There is a chance he could have made things worse.

Sometimes mods would give infractions just because they disagreed with your point of view. They would not say that but exactly but it was pretty obvious as they would struggle to justify the "reason". I'm glad its shut down.

Thanks for the history, I enjoyed reading it and wished I thought to start it myself! I have been reading this forum for about 12 years but finally signed up.