Matt_In_NH

Most QB's start out with bad numbers.........some work their way out of it. I have seen signs that Allen is able to improve. EJ was peaking at this point.....Allen still has a higher ceiling to me. I definitely wonder if he can truly make it or not but for 2019 I am hitched to him and hope he succeeds. But he needs to stop thinking he can fix world hunger on each play.

I feel for him and his family, it will take time to heal/find a way forward. My wife and I had twins born at 26 weeks (3 months early) with a lot of health issues as a result. We had oxygen tanks and monitors with them for a year after we were out of the hospital. Living in a hospital for 3 months in the NICU you meet a lot of other families and see/hear a lot of things. Being pregnant with multiples is risky, the more babies, the riskier it gets, unfortunately, this outcome is not atypical. There was one family who had lost like 10 babies from 3 pregnancies and this time they had healthy twins. There are times they have to have some and the other stay in the womb still, it is crazy the things that happen and amazing what can be done but a lot cant be done also.

It is measure/countermeasure. Some QB's are able to adapt when defenses take away things they do well and do something else equally well. Some QB's are more talented than others and have a comprehensive game that is harder to defend than a player than can only do a few things. Others can do some things well but not all things, they "get figured out" and ultimately fail, like Edwards.

Sensationalism......he was viciously hit and never became a franchise qb so it HAD to have been the cause!

IMO (and I know a lot don't agree) that is complete urban legend. Edwards arguably had his best game his first game back from that injury. Defenses figured out some things to do against him and Edwards had no answer. He was never destined for greatness and his failure would have occurred with our without that concussion. Look around the NFL, guys get concussions all the time, how many of them never return to the form they had before?

I dont think there was any chance of that getting overturned, even with minor contact there.

There what is? All team bring in refs to training camp

Saying everyone has to immediately be thrown out of games and suspended when some of these plays (while illegal) are hard to prevent, they happen and players need to try and prevent them but they happen, without intent. Some of these same people are upset by all the penalties on these plays saying its ruining the game they grew up with. Throwing everyone out for helmet to helmet is a terrible idea.

Yeah this is football. People smash each other and there is a lot of aggressiveness about it. People are losing their minds about this. It was a bang bang play where Allen was going for the first down and the defender was trying to prevent that. Bills mafia loves to celebrate the hit on Brady for 20 years ago where his helmet went flying. While that was not illegal then it would be now. Is that something to be celebrated with gifs everywhere? Allen will be out a lot if he continues to try and run defenders over.

is there a one yard from line of scrimmage is allowable element? He looks to be 1.5 yards past though.....he clearly intended on interfering. But all teams do these, the Pats probably the most. Other teams like the Bills should probably do more of them. Anyone who has been paying attention to the challenges for PI knew there was 0 chance it was getting overturned. Fouts actually said it was a good challenge, but I completely disagreed, it was just a wasted timeout is all it was. A timeout that might have been useful down at the goal line when they had to take a delay of game.

I agree with you. It’s great he can run around but should he needs to beat opponents with his arm.

Fans celebrate that hit on Brady and think the hit on Allen was the dirtiest thing ever.

They did add a penalty a couple years ago about runners lowing their head, not sure it has eve been called. I really think you have to consider the down and distance and the fact Allen was approaching the sticks on 3rd and 8. He was going for the first down, the defender was trying to prevent it. The play was illegal on the defenders side for sure but I have seen much worse.

It was a penalty, we can argue about intent and if he should have been ejected all day and I am sure he will get fined. But to go frame by frame and decide that he changed his target for the sole intent on injuring is pure conjecture. Given the down and distance, it was important to stop forward progress immediately. Here is the thing from my perspective, the QB should use his arm to beat the opponent and not have to rely on putting his head down and trying to move the chains. If that continues, injuries will continue.

Anyone would agree the Pats offense is more prolific than the Chiefs? Not only more prolific but head and shoulders better? And you tell me to not be disingenuous? LOL

The bills stopped the chiefs? Compare to the pats in yards, points, sacks, turnovers.

So the bills get a trophy? I get what the op is saying. We need to just move on and if this team is good they will win more than lose.

That would be you! LOL. Rough game but he can make up for it. I saw some of the things I saw last year today, just missing short throws and other times using that rocket launcher to ensure no one catches it.

Diggs will not all of a sudden make Allen make better decisions. I know you dont agree but Diggs will have no noticeable impact on this offense.

As far as Daboll and play calling, not sure what would have been different here. But it is obvious the Pats strategy was to make Allen a pocket passer, only allow Allen to escape back to the left, back to the right or straight back. They kept the pocket formed and collapsed it, each guy keeping their position. They did not want Allen to break contain or release up the middle. Escape backwards is a disaster for Allen as it is when he makes a lot of mistakes. Allen either could not find open guys or they were not open so he tried to force things resulting in sacks, fumbles and interceptions. Ultimately I think we need to give the Pats D their due to a degree, they are very good...while at the same time recognizing the Bills moved the ball well at times and just made too many mistakes.

I guess you are new to football

Ok

They can lose to the Titans easily and will if they have 4 turnovers. While they are not a world beater they are a hard nosed team and playing at home.

I did. I think I said it is a penalty. The only way to prevent the first down is to load up and punish the rusher. Don’t put yourself in that position. I know you won’t agree but that is how I see it. Run like a running back will result in Allen on the sideline.

Agree. They will lose games to teams they should beat should they continue.