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JWill

Why does a throwback uniform have the navy strip on helmet and on pants??

The guy had a finger over the end of the ball. It may have never made the part of the white line that we do not know where on that white line is the actual line to gain as they never spotted and measured.

OK you win. In my WR EX the WR never escaped the grasp he just pulled back and defender had not yet tackled him. Do you spot it at the 40 or the 37? the 4th and 1 is inconclusive. The guy had a finger over the end of the ball. It may have never made the part of the white line that we do not know where on that white line is the actual line to gain as they never spotted and measured.

Ralph Wilson just asked St Gabriel to hold his beer.......

no no no. The whistle was not an issue in my WR example. You brought the whistle into this I did not. It did not blow in my ex. Just like it did not blow in the 4th and 1. Just like a player getting tackled forward and stretch's the ball out ahead of him as he is going down, the ball is placed WHERE the ball is when his knees are down. Everytime.

just like you agreed in my WR ex you spot the WR on the 20.

when Patriot knees were down he had the ball in his body short of the line to gain. Just like you agreed on my WR example.

ok then the 4th and 1 should have been spotted short of the line to gain. Thanks for agreeing.

Shady should have been spotted where the ball was when his knees touched down with contact from a defender. Let me give ex: WR catches ball runs forward with a DB defender contacting him all the way to the 40 is contacted by pile of defenders and falls forward but not down and bounces backward staying on his feet. He then runs backwards 20 yards and is tackled. Where do you spot the ball? On the 40 or back at the 20?

Your last statement supports no first down. When he stretched he was being contacted by a Bill. Knee was not down yet and he was not being pushed backward. He then voluntarily brings the ball back to body short of the line to gain and then his knees touch down. No forward progress should have been given to the white line. He was not down yet and his knees had not touched yet until he had ball back into his body. Romo got it wrong also. he showed a still of knees off ground and ball extended to the white line. He failed to mention player was not down so he does not get that stretch unless break goal line situation.

That is right. It is inconclusive. Also he had his finger on the tip of the ball. The ball is always spotted where the ball is when the knees touch down with contact of opposition player. Except in break the plane goal line situations because when you break the goal line plane the ball is dead and play is over except if you need to survive the ground on a pass play catch.

Who is Dupree?

short answer. Bills player was making contact with Patriot but his knees were not down when he stretched the ball forward and maybe hit the line to gain.(not obvious as he had a finger on the forward tip of the ball) He then pulled it back into his body and then his knees touched down. At that time he was short of the line to gain. That is where the ball is always spotted unless it is a break the goal line plane situation. You should not bet your life on it, due to the following. When he had full control is a complete judgement call.

Welcome to the Dot-Matrix then...........

He is 40. 40!

I guess critical thinking and math are not his strong suits. 32 teams passed on him in 1st and one of them was the Pats. Then 9 more teams passed on him in 2nd round. Selective anger. Fine we get it. Buffalo area was your initial home. But you moved to PA while still in high school, so why not hate on the Eagles and Steelers also?

I would take the other route and declare I will only play for a certain team like for example Buffalo. Then list all the reasons. I visited and loved the area and people. It is an up and coming area. The game day atmosphere is like no other and closer to college etc etc.. Fans are rabid and smartest in NFL and very supportive. I always looked up to Kelly/Smith/Tasker/Levy etc etc......I want to be the guy who stands on the podium when the hard scrabble Bills fans finally get their due with the Lombardi Trophy etc etc........ He would bi-polar the sports opinion of him immediately but he also would immediately became an instant cult star for life in WNY and parts of Canada.

Kelly was different. He went to CFL and signed a pro contract. Not sure how that changed everything or if the fact USFL folded and all those players needed an orderly reentry into NFL so maybe NFL arbitrarily ruled teams that had the USFL players initial rights in certain circumstances retained them in the dispersal of USFL player rights.

I believe it is just one year. If he refuses to sign he reenters the draft the next year. They lose it. They could then draft Rosen again next year if they have 1st the next year also...... that would be epic funny and great drama. Even more epic would be if he fell to 2nd or 3rd round the next year after his refusal to sign, and Browns still drafted him.....lol.

Niners went from vying for 1st overall pick to looking like an easy Playoff contender with one change that only cost a 2nd round pick. How does a team that had Montana and Young get so lucky?? Again??

Edit: Update: When the refs walked onto the field.........lol

I agree. Even though with current coach it would hurt the Bills as he wastes challenge flags on obvious plays he can not win and would be more likely than the avg team to be out of challenges at end of game for wrong calls on scoring plays. The grounding non call when Brady was falling. McDerma thought he was down because his knee touched. Even though no Bill touched him. SMH. He told sideline reporter Sun he would have challenged Clay incompletion in end zone but was told(never said by who) he could not. This just days after the Pitt/Pats game Jesse James call that shows clearly it would have been a non catch. How could McDerma not know this.????

McDerma needs to go to NFL coaches game management summer camp. If he is honestly assessing his game day performance. I won't list all the failures..... Is that even learnable? Has any coach with poor game manager skills ever improved? Reid still sucks. Jauron never improved in 3 HC gigs. Rex did improve on challenge flags.

Many reasonable fans agree the Music City debacle should not have been reversed on replay. Those same and others are in the company of opinion that the refs should have thrown the flag as it clearly looked live that it was illegal. Then inconclusive replay, call stands, and Bills win. I and others believe the refs purposely let it run as they felt replay would sort it all out correctly. Without replay they would have been more inclined to throw flag as it looked. That is using replay as a crutch. JMO.