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They didn't really do anything special that Josh Allen hasn't faced every week. They are just really good and Josh had a bad game. JA does need to adjust his mindset, you are right on that.

It went through his hands. The pass wasn't perfect but those types of passes are caught all the time. It wouldn't have been some amazing circus catch. Yeah, it was a drop.

I did not know that. Thanks.

I don't think so but it's certainly possible.

Other than the big run by Hall, I thought our D did fantastic. It's just one game against a bad QB though. Have to see what happens when we face someone like Miami.

Fixed that for you. When you paste replace the "x.com" with "twitter.com"

I absolutely agree with that. He is a clown. Still, I liked the discussion. You won't catch me saying that often. What I found interesting is the things said by the guy sitting next to him. Sorry, I am stupid and have no idea who that guy is but the things he said about coaching were interesting to me.

That's what happens when you become a top team. It does seem crazy though. Personally, I prefer 1pm Sunday games. While I like being primetime because it's pretty cool being that team, I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate waiting for the game.

Maybe I should clarify better... Not everyone is going overboard. Some of what is said is absolutely true. Given my post history and the fact that I think Josh cost us this game, I think that would be understood that I don't think ALL of the criticism is wrong. I'm talking about people going over the edge thinking Josh is Carson Wentz type of stuff.

and what exactly do you disagree with @GunnerBill. I absolutely hate when you take the time to leave an X on a post but can't take the time to give your point of view. Morse got blown by. Thats a fact. Shefield or whoever that receiver is ran a crap route. Thats a fact. Josh shouldn't have thrown the ball there. Thats a fact. My opinion is that any one of those 3 things changes and we get a different outcome.

I'm not absolving Josh of this INT. He shoulda seen the safety and not made the throw. However, it's just another instance of other players letting him down and not doing the right thing. Morse is completely blown by, rushing Josh time to process. I dunno what receiver that is running to the middle. Is it Sherfield? In any case just another guy either running a terrible route that doesn't hold the safety or Dorsey not teaching this play correctly. If that safety is held like he should have been thats probably a Diggs TD. At most an incompletion. If Morse isn't blown up then Josh probably see's the safety. Josh had a really bad game, but people are overboard with how bad it really was. Other people effect his decisions too.

I really can't stand Nick Write but I think his comments here and the discussion overall is pretty good.

I think my favorite one was Diggs and Spencer Brown taking the fans beer and Brown drinking it. I thought that was hilarious. Then Diggs found the fan and sent them cases of beer.

I was actually looking for this thread to put the fine tweet in but couldn't find it. So just started a new thread.

I never understand NFL fines. Fines that seem to be safety related don't seem to ever be much. Fines for other things usually seem to be ridiculous. Like throwing the football to a fan after a TD is 5 grand.

I didn't see these. Wow. I can't say that I remember the plays he got fined for either. Maybe I was just mad about all the turnovers and missed them.

Oh FFS Josh is not Wentz. This is just crazy. Josh had a bad game. Josh has always had a stinker here and there. I don't like your data because technically, Allen shouldn't have even been playing last year after week 9. He also went through an OC change that year. For the most part Allen's bad games come from bad games here and there... not through the whole season. As in most of his bad stats happen in all at once in a few games. You are comparing data against QBs that have either had stout olines or an elite receiving crew, or both. We have had Diggs, a revolving door oline, and guys that either don't get open, drop the ball, or do disastrous things with the ball like little dirty. Oh and some guys that were over the hill and brought back on late season. We were tied for second highest scoring offense last season. Second only to the Chiefs. That was with one game less than everyone else not named the Bengals, who we are tied for second with. This isn't because we had a running game. For all of Josh's mediocrity, he managed to do that last year while practically carrying his team and with a UCL injury. But yeah, let's compare him to Wentz.

At least some of that had to be his elbow. I'm not trying to make excuses but I am pretty sure a UCL in his throwing arm would have something to do with how he passes the ball. It isn't a booboo that goes away in a couple weeks either.

And you can see open like that in almost every game. It's not just Cheetah speed. Josh has it tougher than most QBs IMO. We get that once in a blue moon but not often. It's usually when some dude falls over themselves or when Josh goes off script and Diggs gets lost. We got it more often with Daboll IMO. Davis had some breakout games because other teams weren't ready for the ball to go there. Our offense seems to be guys running out, find spot, turn around and stop while the other guys either run a post or curl to sideline. That doesn't breed open guys when you don't have speed or at least precision route runners. This is why we don't get any YAC and our offense is all Josh AY.

We have seen Josh have good pocket movement before. I think he wasn't prepared for the speed of the game and especially the speed of the Jets and that years of having a terrible oline has made him not trust it. I thought overall the line did a decent job against the Jets though.

I was not a big fan of Dabol as an OC. I thought he had some really great games but I also thought he had some really lowsey calls even in some of those great games as well as many others. I do think he is a good coach though. In any case, I feel like Daboll had a way of reeling Josh back in. Maybe not in the same game but through the season. I think it's too early to tell if Dorsey can do the same or not. I will say that I don't think Josh has been the same since Daboll left. That could be many more factors than just Daboll leaving though.