Scott7975

Yeah, I hear this a lot but Josh has hit a lot of deep balls. I think he was better when he rifled them than when he tried to start putting arc and touch on them. From 2022-2024 PFF had Josh 4th best in the league. Personally I dont pay any mind to PFF ratings but it's there. The one year I looked, Josh was at like 44% accuracy on 20+. That may not sound great but hitting 50% is elite. Have of those attempts were probably on the run too which makes them more difficult. So maybe Josh wasn't the best in the world at it, but he wasn't terrible either. Most games you only need to hit 2-3 chunk plays like that. Josh was pretty elite on 3rd and forevers too. I remember when Daboll was the OC, there was never a 3rd and long that I didn't think Josh wouldn't convert. By 3rd and long I'm talking like 3rd and 15 or 20+. Josh has bailed us out of so many of those. Besides that, its not so much about deep balls that are 40 yards down the field. The problem is the team is struggling to even hit intermediate passes. 15-20 yards. They need to do way better in that department.

Ugh damn. My old crippled ass could probably pull off that footwork.

As I have said in numerous threads since the off season, I'm not a Gabe fan and didn't want him back on the team. He has poor hands and whoevers fault it is, him and Josh just weren't on the same page too many times. That said he needs to get on the roster and in games because our receiver room is so poor that he is probably our second best receiver (Shakir being best.) We need someone that can stretch the field and be a threat. He has proven he can do that. He has also shown he can get both feet in bounds on sideline catches. Something our other receivers seem incapable of doing.

Ok thats fair. I honestly wasnt thinking about bye weeks because its so soon in the season. There are a lot of factors though that I just dont have the ambition to look into. For instance how many solid rushing teams have they faced? Don't answer, I honestly don't really care much. On to the Chiefs!

By yards? I doubt it. I mean I’m not 100% but even removing 200 yards they wouldn’t even currently be average.

Beane didn't give him anything to work with and McD broke the dog in him. Other than Shakir, this team is full of #4s. You can see the dog broken by how hesitant he is to run with the football. I started seeing and commenting on this last year. You can also hear it when he has said 3 times now that its no longer superbowl or bust and that they have no expectations this season other than just play football.

The Panthers are a mediocre team with a bottom barrel rush defense. I am talking about good teams.

Thats what people don't understand. The small ball offense may use clock, but when the other team scores consistently it doesn't matter how much clock we use. Small ball offense will get stopped with 1 mistake. We can't keep relying on running and 2 yard passes all game every game. I don't care how good Cook is. If they want to stop them then he is going to get stopped.

I'm really not a Gabe fan. I think he has bad hands and his route tree is limited. I also think him and Josh are often not on the same page. Don't care who's fault that is, they didn't fix it while he was here. I didn't even want him back even on the practice squad. That said, he is the only guy on our team with proven ability to stretch the field. How does a meniscus tear take so long to heal? I've seen guys come back from that in a few weeks. If Beane can't find a receiver to trade for that can stretch the field then Gabe is our best option and they need to get him in there.

Thats too late by then IMO. This is a game the Bills need to win. Lets say they don't do anything and we lose badly. That gives Beane less than 2 days to make a trade. Unless he is already working on something, it's not likely.

Can I bump my thread about how we need a downfield passing game, or does everyone still think these 2-3 yard passes are fine?

Hairston played 27 snaps according to PFF. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-8-recap-buffalo-bills-40-carolina-panthers-9

IMO they could get rid of some of the overpaid role players and get a decent outside receiver still. They could fill 2 or 3 role players with some low end paid players and it wouldnt be that much difference. Take Samuel and Palmers contract, pick up a higher end guy, and fill those 2 spots with cheap guys.

Exactly. Its great that Cook is doing so well, but the offense needs to be 2 dimensional. More film and better teams and they will find a way to stop Cook. 2 yard passes do not compliment that.

You disagreed with me in the other thread. Maybe I dont explain myself too well but I mostly agree with you lol.

I'd rather have the offense Daboll wanted to run with the added ability of Cook.

No. Pretty sure he was in and out on a rotation most of the game.

Cook Oline Shakir had a good game too There are some to go around on defense but I didnt pay enough attention to individual players to know who they belong to.

I agree with both you and @GunnerBill. I think this would still be better if we had that Diggs receiver. Also not sure this play design really suits what he is special at. Bailing pockets is also part of not trusting that blitz pickup. I dont think he trusts the safety blanket either. Legs were a big part of his game when this stuff happens but thats not working for him this season either. He is hesitant to run. He isnt escaping as good as he used to. Potentially he has lost a step. I also think McD driven some of that early dog he had. I dunno if that is for the good or bad but I can see it. I don't want people thinking I am making excuses. The criticism is correct. Josh is a star, but I don't think he is ever going to be a precision guy like Tom Brady was. Its just not what makes Josh special.

Can never get the complimentary football from our passing game and our running game. Obviously they need to pair Cook with Trubisky. I bet we could trade a 2nd and Josh for Meyers.

Yeah u got me!

I apparently didnt pick it up. When you get got you get got.

I mean, its 40-3. I dont want these guys going full and risking injury at this point. Better they be soft now.

Yeah but Mahomes isnt an old statue.