Scott7975

Disagree. Josh makes that throw against the same coverage quite a bit. Just that everyone cheers when its a TD or 20-30 yard gain. They don't question the decision.

Well first I never said the comparisons are ridiculous unless I am more braindead than I thought. I said they aren't the same. We don't have the same soft schedule, we don't have the same weak division, and we haven't looked THIS bad on a 5 game stretch. Secondly, these are my thoughts about where current things stand. I'll bring it back when I want. That could be every week for an update on standings each week. That might not even be until the end of the season where I can say I was right or wrong. It won't be because I am so braindead that I can't remember my own thread though. I'm not that damn stupid. I mean, you are still running a Josh Allen MVP thread. Should I insult your memory and tell you to bring that up at the end of the year when he once again doesn't win it?

Last 5? Did you get drunk and watch 2021 three times or something?

Can you blame him though? Peterman tore up McDs prized defense in practice. He had to think Peterman was a god.

Oh I am well aware of the people banging on Daboll. I was one of them, but for specific reason not because of a 5 game slump. In the year you refer to, we had a soft schedule after that 7-6 start. There was no one else that was a real threat to the division. Our O never looked this bad for that long of a stretch. You refuse to see that part. I'm not saying we aren't going to make the playoffs. I am saying that it's going to be far more difficult this year to do so if we don't win the division. It is also no given that we win the division this year either. I know people were shaking in their boots about the Pats that year but I certainly wasnt one of them. Miami is a real threat to it this year. Maybe they fall apart but the Pats were just lucky af that year. Miami hasn't been lucky. They been blowing out the teams in their wins. For the record, I appreciate the response. I am not here for emojies. I'm here for discussion. I enjoy discussion. I aint always right and I will admit when I am wrong. I do stand by myself with conviction until proven wrong though. Thats just me. Other than a certain poster around here I hold no ill will toward anyone. Im just here for talk. This is roughly where I am at as well.

That stat isn't even correct. The average is 5.2. Meaning 15th in the league is 5.2. The same 15th in the league last season was 4.8. That ranges all the way to 7.1 at the top. Last year the top was 6.0. I am not even going to look further if I already found that discrepancy. And again, yards only matter if you put points up.

Comparatively to 2020 and 2021 yes, offense is down ~5 ppg. However, compared to last year its only 0.2 difference. As far as defense is concerned, I am not absolving defense. It has not been good. They give up a lot of big plays, especially on 3rd and long. They seem to do well on 1st and 2nd down only for that to happen, with the exception of the couple times they also allowed a huge play on 1st at the end of a game. I just think they did ok this specific week. Not great but IMO good enough to win against that team had the offense held up it's end of the bargain. Also they did great against Miami. Defense at least has some excuse. Who do we actually have left as difference makers? I know we have big investments on defense but not necessarily difference makers. Most of them are out and the others that are close to that seem to get hurt almost every week. Truthfully I am partially disappointed on that point as well. Oliver, Groot, and Floyd should be doing better than they are. They flashed but seemed to have disappeared. The offense still has Josh and Diggs at minimum. Kincaid is imo a difference maker but people will use "rookie" if I say that. Cook also can be explosive and how many people here get their panties in a bunch when someone says Davis sucks? Shakir has made plays just about every time he gets the ball yet is an afterthought. This team has far far better weapons than the Chiefs this year. I would argue that Kelce has been hobbled all season and he is old. Diggs is better than everything they have and I would argue even Davis/Shakir would be their #1 right now. All that team does is drop footballs. There is no excuse for this offense to not put up more points. I've said it before and I will say it again, I don't care what EPA and DVOA show. This team put up 6 points, 14 points, and 18 points in 3 of the last 5 games. 20 and 24 in the other 2. There is nothing you can say that would make me believe that is somehow one of the best in the NFL. Over the last 5 weeks the Bills rank 20th or 24 in PPG (I forgot what I looked up, it was one of those.) All the analytic stats in the world take a back seat to points. Points is what wins football games, not some analytically feely good stats. I do. Josh makes some mistakes as do others, but overall I put our offensive slump on the coaches.

"However, McDermott and Dorsey have both admitted that the head coach is getting his fingers on the game plan on offense. “I’m doing everything that I can as a head coach to make sure that things are the way that I want them and expect them to be across all three phases,” McDermott said via video conference. Dorsey confirmed McDermott’s input, too. He even said he thinks McDermott’s vantage point as a defensive coordinator can be useful to him. “He’s got a great mind for the game,” Dorsey said." It's likely they didn't like each other because they didn't like each others philosophy. I am not going to pretend to know exactly why, but I am pretty sure they both shower so I doubt it's that. I am also pretty sure they don't care what each other eats for lunch so I doubt it's that. Pretty sure it's probably football related.

On that we agree. If these were single games then I wouldn't think much of it. Unfortunately this is a 5 game stretch of them now. Although I will say that KC has practically mirrored our bad offense this year. They aren't the same team they were either. Their defense has been pretty damn good this year though.

I wouldn't say no shot but yes, Cook was an easier option as well. You'd be surprised how fast good defense flies to the ball. Especially when they are all watching the QB and reacting to him when he starts his throwing motion. Either way, on that play it was both a bad decision and throw. Its also one Allen has made quite a lot so its hard to criticize because if you criticize that then you also have to criticize when he makes the TD or a 20+ yard gain on the same exact throw and coverage.

I don't agree with you that offense had the slight edge over defense but yes... ST was bad too.

Yes, I know I don't have the full gist of understanding it but I have brain problems. What I do understand is that I don't care if we had the best EPA in the league this week if we only put up 18 points in a loss.

EPA doesn't show the actual offense. You can get good expected points added all game long but if you aren't scoring points it doesn't matter. If the offense got 4 yards on first down and 5 yards on second down that's pretty good epa. If they then throw an incompletion on 3rd down and punt, those first two plays were still good epa but we no longer have the ball and its a failed drive. We can start a drive on our own 10 and Allen could throw a 20 yard pass and we would get good EPA. He could then go 3 and out from there and its still a failed drive. The stat is more so "what was the teams chance to score" than "did the team actually score."

I don't think people realize how hard it is to look at both sides of the field like that because turning head seems simple. It isn't so simple when you only have 2.5 seconds to read one side then read the other. Even less so when you have big bodies in your face.

I dunno. I like Cook and I think Cook has been our best back since we started drafting them. I think he can be explosive too. Its just weird though. I look at guys like Pachecho and Achane and the other guy (I probably butchered their names sorry) and they look fast af with the ball. When Cook gets the ball he doesn't look as fast as I expect him to look. I know he fast too but he just doesn't look it. I dunno if it's just in my head or what.

McD did not like we didn't run the football. That was pretty clear as he talked about it almost every week and still does. McD and Daboll also had a clear problem with each other. It was reported on even before Daboll started interviewing for coaching jobs. It was also clear as day after the Giants game. Now what their actual rift is, I don't know. I can't say. I would imagine they didn't like each other's philosophies though.

Now show how many teams won scoring 18 points or less. In most of those losing efforts where the D gave up 24+ points they had the same thing in common... the offense was not scoring and turning over the football. A defense can only do so much when the offense keeps putting them back on the field. I don't care about the clock. The clock changes to be normal ToP with just one 5 minute drive by the offense instead of turning the football over after 14 seconds. Our offense gave them two extra possessions. Again, the defense stopped the Bengals 6 times. They scored 3 points the entire second half. Our offense did nothing until mid 4th quarter. The game wasn't even close before last min offense. The offense was the problem this game not the defense. Now I am done with you because we are just going in circles and you haven't retorted anything.

I only say ancient history because as far as I'm concerned we have a break point. Daboll's offense and Dorsey's offense. Some people want to think they are one in the same but they are not. There are clear differences in how the offense is run. The personnel isn't even the same.

Yes, when you leave your current job to go to a new job you quit your job. That isn't saying anything bad. I guess you could call it left your job or gave your notice at your job. It's still quit your job. Unless maybe the contract ran out and you can say parted ways. Or you get fired because they don't want you. In that case, they didn't quit.

I'm sure it had something to do with the rift between McD and Daboll. They obviously hate each other. You can tell from end of the Giants game. They sought to stay away from each other. McD may want balance but he isn't that deeply involved on the offense. The design and the playcalls are Dorsey. I can envision it though: "If you wouldn't have scored that td so fast then I wouldn't have had to worry about those 13 seconds." How about just this year and not some ancient history? Dolphins, Commanders, Raiders. Those 3 teams we blew out. The other 6 games this season were all nailbiters win or lose.

The offense could have overcome 24 points by scoring on ANY of the 6 drives they were given. Thats nowhere near having to "play a perfect game." If you can't score once out of 6 drives then that's the problem. That same one drive takes 5 mins and suddenly the ToP is only two minutes difference. You know jack all about football. That is not a lot for an offense to overcome at all. Not even sure why you are including "that featured 4 timeouts (1 injury, 1 Bills TO, 1 Bengals TO, and the 2 minute warning)." because that doesn't add to ToP on the game clock. If anything it gives our D a rest so its a good thing. Our offense sure didn't give em any rest.

It was a worse throw than decision imo. Only because he could have made a completion there with a better throw. However, he should have just gone to Diggs as Davis had a small window of room. The thing is though, we can't expect this team to move the field 3-4 yards at a time. Sometimes you have to have the chunk play. No team in the league is going to consistently score on 12+ play drives just "taking what the defense gives you." If the play is there to be made then he needs to take it once in a while. Even if it's lowere percentage.

Oh god not more epa garbage. Wake the hell up. IDGAF what our epa says. We scored 18 points. EPA don't mean jack. 18 points and two turnovers. You pull out epa. If anything epa should show you this week is that epa is garbage and doesn't reflect what actually happened.

good stuff. We are fine though. EPA and all that jazz efficiency stuff.

It's not just this week. It's the same plays every week regardless of opponent. This is why the Bills offense is so predictable. An opposing team can watch one week and see the same concepts from all the other weeks.