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Yeah, thing for me is that its cool to look at, but right now I think doesnt have much meaning. Different offenses. Different defenses faced. Only week 2. Guys were drafted for different reasons. KC wanted speed. Bills wanted a big contested catch guy. At least my assumption. We dont know if they just drafted who they thought was best. I think they drafted who they thought was best that would fit what they want out of a receiver. A lot of reasons why one receiver might be better or worse. This stat at least is a stat that charts every route and not just when the ball is thrown, so it takes a little bit out of the equation and puts it on the receiver. Also, I am careful who I trust with these stats because in some part they are subjective due to being judged by eyeballs. For instance, GunnerBill doesnt think Coleman got open all that much. I trust his eyeballs. I dont know this website and it looks to be fantasy football related. Its the first I have heard of them. Doesnt mean they are wrong in their charting. I just dont know.

Look at the post above that one. It shows their top 12. I got that from twitter. Have to pay to see the stats otherwise. Not quite sure how they are converting +- whole numbers into decimals but... thats what they showed.

Just found this too... https://www.fantasypoints.com/nfl/articles/season/2024/what-is-ass-average-separation-score#/ The ASS Grading Scale For further clarification on what goes into our grading scale: A receiver earns a -2 grade when he is completely knocked off his route, taking him completely out of the play (example: receiver at the top of the screen) A -1 grade is earned when a receiver is tightly covered and would require an exceptional effort from the QB to complete the pass (example: receiver at the top of the screen) 0 is any situation where the receiver does not have the opportunity to create separation. This also includes most screen passes, jet passes, checkdowns, and other targets where the receiver finds holes underneath coverage. (example shown earlier) +1 is when a receiver creates a step in separation from the defender. (example: receiver at the top of the screen) +2 is when a receiver creates multiple steps of separation from the defender (example: slot receiver at the top of the screen) +3 is when a receiver creates extreme separation (example: receiver at the bottom of the screen) +4 is when there is a bust in coverage, leaving a receiver wide open. (example: receiver at bottom of the screen) A bust in coverage that leaves a receiver wide open because of a mistake by the defense is not counted into a receiver’s separation score, because the receiver did not create the separation that is gained by their own volition. Despite this, these situations are important to note (especially for you DFS players) because they track what defenses botch their coverages most or least often. This scale and then the overall score help identify receivers who lose production because of poor quarterback play and which receivers create the most opportunities for themselves and their offenses. (Example: If Aaron Rodgers stays healthy this year, you’ll see how truly special Garrett Wilson is.) In addition to Average Separation Score, we also offer another separation metric: “Route Win Rate.” This is a less predictive, more binary version of ASS, essentially telling us how often a receiver separated (earning a +1 score or better) on a percentage of his routes where separation was possible. This is their criteria. @GunnerBill I think you wanted to know this like I did.

I'm trying to find if they actually explain this stat. I found the website for the people that actually published these stats but this is probably in their advanced stats category and it's pay for. Not sure I am willing to pay for it as I have no idea who they are. I'm digging still. Only a few minutes in thus far. I did manage to find in a subtweet their "separation score"

I remember in HS I was on the football team and the kicker was practicing kicks. I wanted to try. I nailed that damn ball. Except its skated along the ground pretty much lmao. Never tried to kick again.

I am definitely not Mr Info. Not unless you want half that info wrong anyways. Pretty sure this one is right though. Some media already out there blaming the OC. Just SMH. Maybe thats true this time. Lamar is not a good passer of the football. He would be best with Greg Roman. I said that before he was run out of town and everyone gushed over Modkins and I still say it.

Oh, I thought you had seen this clip before. Yeah it is a yikes. I dont know kicking like you do, but I know a shank when I see one.

yeah. I don’t have all22 and I trust what you tell me. We may not agree on everything but I trust.

next gen I believe only tracks separation on plays they get thrown the ball I think. I take these with a grain of salt much like I take drops with a grain of salt. Drops, people only count on balls that don’t require a wr to put any effort in. Basically a perfectly thrown ball with no hard impacts at point of catch. I think that’s too stingy in this day and age. I’d be interested in seeing the criteria they are judging this win rate with.

you’re talking from a dr point of view though. If you were a head coach that relies on drs to give that opinion and the dr clears him to play, probably be a different story.

he didn’t slip. He just made a poor kick. Stop defending him. Last week it was the wind. This week you say he slipped when he didn’t. Excuses are going to run out. They aren’t working out kickers if they think Bass is doing a good job.

yup just a poor kick. Still people think he slipped.

Yes that’s the kick

Same.

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It’s good the Bills are looking. I think Bass is a problem and could cost us a game or more. The problem is that the Bills are not going to find a better kicker. The ones available are available for a reason right now and Bass is still likely better than them.

Whats amazing is we are putting up like 30+ ppg and the offense still has another gear that it hasnt needed to touch. Credit the defense for some of this too.

Over the past three seasons since the expansion to a 17-game schedule, 21 teams have opened the season 0-2. Only two have eventually made the playoffs. In 2023, nine teams started the season 0-2 and the Houston Texans were the only team to make the playoffs. They finished 10-7 and won the AFC South. The year prior, five teams started 0-2 and only the Cincinnati Bengals made the playoffs. They finished 12-4 and won the AFC North. In 2021, seven teams started the season 0-2 and none of them made the playoffs. In 2020, when the league expanded to a 14-team playoff field, 11 teams started with an 0-2 record and none of those teams made the playoffs. Prior to 2020, the NFL adopted a 12-team playoff format in 1990. Between 1990 and 2019, 12% of teams that started 0-2 reached the playoffs. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/24245523/0-2-start-nfl-playoffs-how-likely-history-last-season

Thats what Im saying kinda. They both jumped into each other. The defender actually stopped and planted before hitting the wr. Then they both jump for the ball. The db jumps into the wr a little. The wr jumps back into the db a little. If that is PI on the DB then it is also PI on the WR. They both have a right to go for the ball. Neither can really play through each other to do so. On top of that the ball wasnt really catchable. Too high IMO. I dont really care that they call it but IMO its one they should have let go. Especially with the amount of way worse should be penalties they let go all the time.

The receiver jumps back into him

I started this thread and it wasn’t about how bad Mahomes was. It was about how I was shocked about their gameplan to basically just throw handoffs behind the los when they have the best qb in the league. It was an I was surprised thing. Not a I think Mahomes sucks thing. you’re way too sensitive for other QBs.

This is exactly where the DB stopped and set his feet. He then started his motion to jump up for the ball. You see he isnt touching the receiver here. The receivers momentum carried back into the DB. While I am fine with the call and dont really care about it. I think its a bit more than just black and white.

So the defense isnt even giving a yard? Thats one hell of a defense.

Good catch. Yeah they would be incompletions. Perhaps they were throwaways out of bounds or they hit the same spot as another play so you cant see them. Its also possible they made a mistake. I dont the answer though.

Not even what I am saying at all. Its just surprising to see a team that has the best QB in the league not actually throw the football.