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https://www.theringer.com/2020/9/21/21449761/nfl-week-2-awards-cam-changing-expectations-patriots-a-new-qb-in-l-a-and-nfl-draft-will-change Scroll down a bit and hit play on the podcast. He starts talking about JA at about 6:27 ...ends about 7:54. He calls it his "I might be wrong but I'm not going to admit it because I'm on TV" award in which he basically says a lot of these talking heads just dig their heels in on pre-draft views even when there is development, and will refuse to admit they're wrong ... but he's admitting he was wrong. "Basically, if you say you don't think Josh Allen is any good in the TV business you're just supposed to ride that out for 15 f*cking years."

the official Buffalo Bills app for iOS was updated recently, and the update said, "enabling native live game streaming for in-market fans" so if you VPN yourself to a Buffalo location, you could use the official app.

Forgive my ignorance on the topic, but I thought it was illegal to bring a firearm on a plane (unless you're an air marshall) everywhere in the US. So if you have a legal permit to carry, and you're flying to a place where the laws are the same, you can bring it on the flight? That seems crazy.

I don't get why everyone is crapping on this topic. Everyone keeps throwing out 5-1, but we very easily could have lost to the Jets, Titans, Bengals, and we were Tre's INT away from yesterdays game getting away from us. Josh has his moments at times, and his 4th quarter is great, but he needs that 4th quarter because we're down going into the 4th with an incredible defense playing a cake schedule. We're an average team with a good record. Josh has me concerned as well. I'm not losing sleep but i'm not overly confident in him either. I think he's incredibly likable and I want him to succeed but I think it's too soon to crown him the future. He still needs to improve a lot, and hopefully we see him put together a full game sooner than later.

They talk about Allen starting at 6:55 till about 7:50 ... and their numbers are backing up what we are seeing so far in terms of Allen's growth. He does preface that these stats came against two of the worst teams in the league, but if Allen keeps this up the "inaccuracy" narrative should start to go away.

This is also why it's important to lose those end of season meaningless games to get a better draft pick. Sure, people say you can get a good player anywhere, but the higher you pick, the more options you have, including trade down scenarios. If the Colts had won another meaningless game or two at the end of the year, they lose out on Nelson and 3 seconds. At 9 we won't get any offers like that, but maybe we can grab an additional second to move down a few spots if someone enticing fell to 9.

It's the Bills, we win these meaningless games every time. I thought maybe we lose, but then Kyle retired. As much as I hope for a competitive loss, they probably win.

No, I typically wear a L and it fit normally to me but I am slim and prefer slim cuts and the New Era seemed like that to me.

I got one from identityink, grabbed the new era short sleeve shirt, very good quality.

Based on the description Beane gave, the QB they wanted was Rosen, but they drafted Allen. Hopefully with time Allen can progress to where Rosen already was with that stuff.

Yes, I've known the Bills had a deal in place with the Broncos since right after the first round. While my title could have been worded better, you could also have read the first post as opposed to just the title. My question had more to do with if the Cardinals information is true. I had heard nothing till now that there was any competition for #5, and for Simms to say there was a deal in place with the Cardinals, when we know there was a deal in place with the Bills as well is very interesting to me. Makes me wonder what happens if Chubb is off the board.

It has? This was the first I've read that the Cardinals also had a deal in place for #5.

Bucs changed their minds cause we overpaid by a lot, heh. But there was really no one taking a QB till 11 barring a trade up. We were fine IMO, someone between 7-10 woulda have taken our overpayment. I understand that Chubb is why a deal wasn't made, but assuming Chubb was off the board, if the Bills and Cardinals both had a deal in place with the Broncos, what happens ... do we end up throwing in another second? I just found it interesting that we both had deals in place for #5 assuming Simm's information is correct.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/05/chris-simms-arizona-cardinals-heartbroken-over-missing-out-on-josh-allen I found this odd because everything we've been told, even from Beane himself, was that there was a trade in place with the Broncos (apparently it was 5 and a third for 12, 22, and a second). Anyone else hear anything about the Cards and the Broncos? We obviously had more to offer, so either Simms is making stuff up or confusing the Bills trade with the Cardinals.

I'll defend passing on Chubb. Just from a salary cap standpoint, if Garrett and Chubb were both amazing, which is a good problem to have, their contracts would be coming up one year apart and they'd both command around 16-18m per year, maybe more in 4 years? You can't invest 40m in DEs. I don't think it's ever a good idea to take the same position in the first round two years in a row, because if they both work out you can rarely afford to pay both. Kind of like Winfield and Clements, they weren't drafted two years in a row, 1999 and 2001, but we couldn't pay both ... it seems to work that way. Garrett and Chubb might have been great, but would you take Chubb knowing that you'd only have that combo for 3-4 years? Sure, there are a bunch of different ways it can go, but all I'm saying is I understand some of the logic behind passing on Chubb.

That is too simplistic of a view for any subject matter. I don't treat anything in my life like that, you either "are or are not" isn't realistic in a complex society. I think it was the wrong choice, but of course we have to give him a chance, what choice do we have, he's here for at least 4-5 years I'd assume. As I said, I hope I'm wrong, but disagreement doesn't mean you're not a Bills fan. They've made a ton of choices over the years I've disagreed with.

I don't get the idea of "blind faith" with anything. I feel they made the wrong choice at QB, but I hope for the best. As McBeane said in the press conference, it still needs to be earned, that includes the trust many seem to want blindly.

Oh, i'm not offended and I'm fine to be part of the discussion, but I guess that's where our biggest difference is ... I think the difference it is obvious, and I agree with others that Allen has very high bust potential. To me he's EJ ... a big strong armed guy who's going to put in the effort required to succeed off the field, but isn't consistent enough on the field to win in this league. I could be wrong, but I don't always think the "pros" know more. They have access to more information sure, but that doesn't always lead to the right choice.

I don't need to defend myself to you but yes. I've been watching the Bills and following the draft for almost 20 years. Off the top of my head there have been numerous times where the Bills didn't do what seemed like the obvious choice, professional vs ammeter or not. Taking Whitner over Ngata, Maybin over Orakpo. These seemed like obvious bad choices at the time, and proved to be in the long term. Allen over Rosen seems like an obvious bad choice, amateur or not. If we take Allen i'll root for him to success, but i'll still think it was the wrong choice. Many independent draft experts have Allen as basically a third round prospect, developmental type guy. I understand you're drafting based on a projection, but his college play doesn't warrant a top 5 pick. My thinking with Allen is everyone falling in love with the measurables. I think that can be a weakness of "pros" and you can't always make a guy into something he's not just because he tests out incredible. Also, these "professionals" whiff constantly, year after year. They may have more information than us, especially in terms of medical, but that definitely doesn't lead them to make the correct choices all the time.

I will lose a bit of faith in this FO. To this point they've make a bunch of good decisions, forward thinking choices that we typically haven't seen from the Bills. Allen over Rosen would show an old school mentality that I want to get away from that's hampered us for the last decade. I understand if Allen is the last of the big 4, but to take him over Rosen would be very disappointing.

Never. You should always have an eye on the future. When you start making decisions to win exclusively in season ahead you look like the Bills did the last 15 years. I agree once you have the QB in place a lot of other mistakes are masked, and since we haven't had one they are more glaring, but you always need to consider the long-term picture.

Yea, this makes no sense. Arizona can't jump us unless they are offering their 2019 #1 as well. Also, I'm not giving up a first and two seconds for the 4th QB when there is no risk of him going in the next 5 picks. If Arizona already jumped us, we only have to worry about Miami, and I believe Mayfield was their target. With him gone I don't think they'd take Allen even if he was available at #11. People seem to think Allen needs to be traded up for. If you look at ALL the mocks and speculation, Allen either goes #1 or in a trade up to us, there are no links to him and any other team. I legitimately feel if doesn't go 1, he falls all the way to 12 (barring a Arizona trade up). If we trade up for Rosen/Mayfield and Allen doesn't go #1 I think he falls all the way to Arizona at #15. I trust Beane knows value and is smart when it comes to valuing talent. Peter King's scenario won't happen.

Not only do I think Rosen will be better, I think he's a better fit for what we want to run on offense, and we can get him later, keeping more picks. Yes, there is a slight injury concern, but I think it's overblown, and I'm not worried about it.