Crusher

Anyone that knows you knows that you are the one with the real infatuation.

This guy probably already has a better feel for the position than Tyrod. It shouldn't be long before the Tyrod experiment reaches it's conclusion.

So we are now at the point where the Tyrod guys will cling to their very unrealistic and illogical conclusion unless given irrefutable and undisputed proof to the contrary. Good times

I read what I wanna read? You don't read what you post. This isn't me reaching for a conclusion...you have a longstanding, established pattern. Not just here, but long before here. What was it...19 out of 22 threads started on Taylor on the now deceased BBMB? What was the overall tone in those threads? Has it changed here? Do you really want to claim that you aren't obsessed and clearly think much more of him than you try to pass off? You're fooling no one. You wanna accuse posters of agendas and a prejudiced mob? Are you exempt because you are on the other side of the discussion? I'm truly shocked you chose to respond in this fashion. Maybe I gave you too much credit? And all of this hostility and name calling coming from you? This definitely reeks of a poster who has come unraveled. This cements the end of a viable discussion on your part, so I'll kindly walk away knowing I was the one who handled this topic with common decency and stayed above the fray. Sorry you couldn't maintain. I truly didn't think you would come unglued over what was simple discussion.

This explains so much... Another poster talking from both sides of his mouth. You recognize who TT is, but you think he can improve? Sorry...it's actually much more likely that he has maxed out his abilities.

Let me start by addressing your remarks on me telling people what they believe. Anyone that reads posts by yourself and a handful of others knows that you are absolutely committed to defending Taylor. You have gone well beyond defending TBH, and have moved into the obsessed category. You have blamed coaches, players, injuries, and every other reason in the book for Taylor's play, but nearly always fall short in your criticism for the man himself. What I've done is read what you and others have posted and have diagnosed it for what it is...again, it's easy to see. Talking out of both sides of your mouth is what you have been doing. Maybe you don't realize it...maybe you do. I'm just calling out the behavior for what it appears to be. And as far as Taylor winning the competition...it was against two guys that were at a point where they had no business on the field, so proclaiming that as some kind of validation for Taylor is complete and utter foolishness. And there you go again finishing the post off with a criticism of the coaching staff the last two years. You have once again validated my original point, thanks. And did you really compare myself and others who use the CoT with the Klan? Holy cow!

Sure they were...he is by all accounts a hard worker and likeable guy. The thing with that though is they often show support and speak highly of guys they were friends with and respected. What carries more weight is the team itself and the coaches who chose to let him walk after his four years were up. And you also have some Ravens joking about making him be a QB after they completely stymied him in last season's opener.

It's all we have to go on at this point, unfortunately. I also think that you can't discount the fact that he was under the tutelage of a very good coaching staff and QB for four years prior.

Yes...he was better. On the other board, I ranked him around 20th in 2015. In 2016, I had him at 26th best. I would have been much more encouraged if I saw him trending upward instead of declining.

Good for you if you believe that. Who am I to tell you that you shouldn't? We should all believe what we want to. Some choose to look at facts and base their beliefs on that, and others believe blindly or out of pure emotion. Whatever the reason...believe in what you wish to. And contrary to some posters here, I would welcome a scenario like the one you envision. I just don't believe in it.

The difference is Rodgers can make throws when the defense knows it's an obvious passing play. When teams sit back and drop back in coverage on Taylor, he is simply unable to beat that coverage. His lack of reading the field and anticipating receivers is the main culprit here. His inability to decipher coverage pre snap and check out of plays is another one. I don't think anyone that watches Rodgers late in games questions whether he can get the job done or not. Everyone should know this guy is a top level QB and can pass the football as good as anyone...no matter what part of the game it is. Another thread made by someone who believes Tyrod is much more than the low level starter/fringe backup that he truly is. These are CoT threads cloaked.

What I was trying to say, and what you have failed to grasp, is that these posters keep telling us how good he was in 2015, how he didn't lose games like Oakland and Pittsburgh, and how injuries and other factors were all to blame instead of placing any blame on Taylor himslef. Then when other posters call them out on it, they try and tell you that they agree that he's a stopgap/bridge QB, and that they have no illusion to what type of player he is. To me, this doesn't add up. I believe they actually have a much higher opinion of Tyrod, and if you read the majority of their posts, it's fairly easy to see. As to you're statement that there are as many reasons to believe he'll improve as there are to believe he won't, I simply disagree. I have no problem with other's opinions, but when they constantly contradict themselves by excusing his play and blaming others while in the same breath saying they agree that he's not the guy moving forward...I have to call BS on it.

I just want you to be honest with yourself.

The CoT pretends that they agree with the premise that Taylor is just a stopgab/bridge QB, but all the excuses they make, and the way they keep taking up for him tells me different. These posters absolutely believe he's something that he's never shown to be...they just can't flat out say it because it would instantly render their opinion horrid. I'm convinced that several posters will always believe Tyrod is something more, even when he's off this roster, and possibly even after he's out of the league. What these posters feel for this guy is strange to say the least. I'll likely never truly understand where the infatuation comes from, but it's undeniable that it exists within them. The future is going to hurt much more for these folks than myself. I suggest slowly preparing to emotionally detach yourselves from this awful obsession of a guy who is a RB impersonating a QB, and who is not doing a very good job of it at that.

Transplant doesn't know what coach speak is, apparently. Actions speak louder than words, however, so yes...that restructure says a whole lot more than a coach endorsing the guy who will be their QB this upcoming season.

Vick is a better player and was more dynamic when he ran. Tyrod can be successful to a degree, but what they are talking about doing with him is because he's just not a good passer. It may work ok for a time, but I don't believe it's sustainable.

The same things were said fir Vick and Tebow. Just let them move around, run, and occasionally pass the football. It's a gimmick offense designed to cover up a limited passer, and it's proven to not work.

A more complex passing offense allows you to make more plays and put pressure on the defense into making tough decisions when it comes to coverage. Yes...it will sometimes lead you to more riskier throws that may be INT'S, but it also should allow you to get the ball into playmakers hands more, and you should be much better getting pass production...especially late in games where we seem to struggle mightily passing. That's where I stand on that. It's a fine line to walk between taking chances and running a more elaborate passing attack, but I think we have been too simple and have hurt ourselves late in games due to this approach. Is that approach due to Taylor and his limitations. From what I have seen and heard...I believe so.

The only thing Jeff Garcia and Tyrod have in common is the ability to make throws on the run. Besides that...nothing. Garcia was smart and made quick decisions. He also had a good feel for the pocket and adjusted to what the defense was giving him. Tyrod is the complete opposite of that. Once again...if this staff thought so highly of Tyrod, they wouldn't have left him in the dark about what the planned on doing with him, and they certainly wouldn't have asked him to take a whole lot less guaranteed money with no assurances that he's on the roster beyond next season. Tyrod is endorsed by this staff because he was the best choice for stability at the position next season at the price they liked. Stability is one thing...liking him as the guy to take them to the promised land is another.

The fact is you can't give him production he didn't give you. You wanna extrapolate numbers, and I do not believe in such methods. You are also jumping to another conclusion by saying if he maintained those numbers that you extrapolated that it would make him a HOF'er. Maybe, but if he never achieves anything in terms of winning, and if he doesn't sustain that production for a very long period (let's say at least eight seasons), then he certainly wouldn't be a lock IMO. Anyways...the argument was silly in the first place. Who even thinks along the lines of this guy producing at a level he never achieved to start with(injured and less production since). The point here is that you keep going above and beyond to try and make Tyrod sound better than he is. You have converted rush yards to pass in an attempt to bolster his numbers, you have extrapolated numbers, and have insinuated that he would be hall of fame material if he stayed on the path that even he didn't stay on because he missed games due to injury. At some point...you have to be realistic about what this guy has done and who he is.

He has always been that type of poster. Nearly every post has a word edited due to language. Only certain individuals cannot control themselves to not use that language, and they are not regarded as intelligent or well mannered. Just calling it like I see it.

I challenged you and Larry to the same bet. We couldn't agree on the bet you wanted to make, this is true.

What's ridiculous is trying to make an argument based off stats he didn't even achieve one year, let alone more than one. It's just further proof and goes to show the incredible lengths you and other CoT members go to for a guy that just isn't very good. And please leave the passer rating nonsense alone. We all know he ran a simplified offense with low risk, high percentage throws to pump up that rating. Ask him to do more (2016) and you see what happens.

A nobody that has you responding with anger...par for the course with you. It's posters like you who have brought the same garbage with you. I have always kept discussions here on topic and haven't let my emotions affect my behavior and posting here. You have obviously failed here in that aspect, along with others who can't deal with an opinion contrary to your own.

They also gave themselves the option to get out from under him at little to no cost. And you have no idea what they think of Tyrod. It could be that he was seen as the best option for next season due to the weak crop of QB'S available in free agency and the draft. He's familiar with the players and he doesn't turn the ball over. He makes sense in that regard...to suggest they believe they can win with him is debatable. Everything that has transpired leads me to believe that there just wasn't much else out there at a better price, and that they could do worse than keep a guy who's got a familiarity with the team at a discounted price. If they truly felt strongly about him, I don't think he would have had to settle for less money and less years on a reworked deal. JMO