Crusher

We've seen plenty, and he hasn't shown to be anything close to a franchise QB. This is more nonsensical, wishful thinking on your part. What you get from TT will likely be what we've seen the past two season's, and that is not franchise QB material.

Even I have lost interest in this subject and am now content to let things play out instead of bickering and going back and forth with both sides completely dug in...it's truly pointless. My only real hope is that this season definitively answers the question about Taylor and if we should keep him or move on. I doubt I can withstand another offseason of Taylor homers vs Taylor critics.

Good stuff, guys! Lol

Just got out of the box now. At least you received an explanation...I requested to know why, but was given no response.

Tyrod was below league average when not under pressure. You said he was even better with time to throw, and he is not...that came from an article Transplant posted himself.

This is true. I'm glad I've been able to sit back and watch these posters continue to conduct themselves in the manner they are. I'm hoping many here (including the MODS) are taking note and realizing that these posters aren't what they claim to be.

This is wrong. Tyrod was below average when not under pressure...he performed much better when facing pressure, which a number of us attribute to his mobility and playmaking ability.

Just read through this thread, and clearly Thurman and Rochesterfan had the best and most accurate posts. This thread kind of piggybacks off of the last Tyrod thread and Transplants post near the end about Tyrod and how he fares under pressure, and at that time I argued how that was not surprising because of his mobility and ability to make things happen. It was met with opposition from a certain pro Tyrod poster who challenged this assertion with inadequate information. I'm glad to see this brought back up so that we can get more answers on it. It all boils down to this for me...Tyrod seems to do his best when he's not operating within the system. He is not very good or effective inside the system. He can manage the game and limit turnovers behind a strong ground game in a simplistic pass offense, but when relied upon for anything more, he struggles. When he is not thinking and just looking to make something happen, he's much more successful. This means he's a gamer that has a knack for making plays. The drawback is that he's not that much of a QB in terms of understanding and executing an offensive gameplan. It's a true quandary IMO because you can imagine what type of player he could become if the light came on in terms of understanding and executing within a more complex passing scheme...the problem is that it may never happen, and how long do you give the keys to the car to a guy who hasn't shown to master the most important aspects of being a QB? That's where I'm at on this whole thing.

You are completely wrong and completely in denial about your conduct...as I figured you would be. And one last piece of advice...worry about your own conduct before you concern yourself with mine. All I really need to do is utter the slightest criticism of Tyrod and you can't help but take it to heart and respond poorly. If this was a competition, you'd surely crack first...history has already proven such. Anyways...I'm gonna leave this silly back and forth. The stage is now yours...

Want me to go back and quote you calling me sad, pathetic, among other things? I'll admit I haven't been perfect here in regards to my conduct of late, but it's only because you opened up that can of worms. Time for you to accept that you have been anything but innocent here and own the conduct you love to cite me for.

I'm not concerned myself. As I've stated...you can go back and see what I set out to do once I got here...I was very clear that I didn't want to repeat the mistakes from the other board here, and I was on my best behavior during that time. I came here acting as an adult and looking to keep this board the same way it was before us refugees arrived. Needless to say, it wasn't that way with some others, and things have continued to escalate since. It'll be very disappointing if anyone loses their ability to post here, but I'm starting to think it may take that in order to get the message across. Let it be known that I wish to be here, and will continue to keep discussion limited to the topic at hand and will refrain from anything more.

Been there and done that. I came onto this board with a different mindset and told all these posters that I didn't want that here. It's really that simple. I don't want or need to resort to insults or personal attacks. I'm good simply discussing the topics at hand. I'm fine with you or anyone else thinking whatever they want about TT. The problem is that many others can't deal with my thoughts on him as a player.

Hatred? I think you are mistaken when you say that. I've been objectively giving my thoughts...vitriol is not what's going on here. Please direct me to any post where I've clearly posted like that in regards to TT or stop making false claims. What I continue to find ironic is posters that seem to have these issues with me and my rhetoric, but then post at me with remarks like the ones like the poster you quoted. I tend to believe these posters just dislike me because of my position...my demeanor since coming here has been very tame and has primarily stayed on topic without insulting or talking down to others. Truth be told..these posters are acting worse than me here, but they try to justify it with false accusations and using my past actions against me when I came here looking to leave that behind. It is what it is, and I'm disappointed things have played out this way. I've went that route numerous times. The problem is that he finds a post he doesn't like from me (mostly TT discussion) and posts something similar to what you just read. Just another poster who acts more like a scorned lover instead of a guy who can keep things on topic and leave the BS out of it. Maybe one day these folks can treat this place like how it's intended instead of trying to attack posters that they don't agree with.

Perfect example of what I'm talking about. I clearly stated that I didn't want to bring this same garbage over to this board, and to this poster specifically. What he did in turn was post quotes from me that he saved from BBMB and did everything he could to paint me in a negative light over here. Does that sound like a poster who was interested in having a civil place for us all to discuss our team? This guy holds a grudge and refuses to let it go for the betterment of this board, not me. At some point, I stopped taking it on the chin and responded back...what other choice do I have?

You're clinging on to words I used on the old board. I got on here and tried very hard to leave that behind and start fresh. Many posters haven't followed suit and continue to use that former version of me to judge me here...that's unfair when I really did put forth effort to refrain from the insults, name calling, and my overall tone.

And meanwhile, this guy continues to post stuff like this and nobody says a word...where is the outrage and posters telling him this is not a good look? The bias and unfair moderation is very real here.

Hi, fake tough guy. You are the funniest one of them all because you clearly can't deal with a poster on a message board. This I enjoy, and look forward to the torment my future posts are sure to cause you.

Desperate is you rushing defend Taylor at every turn. Starting 19 out of 23 threads on BBMB on Taylor, and then continuing posting strictly Taylor threads here. Even in the Peterman draft thread you had to jump in and insult those who thought he may end up challengin Taylor for his spot. As for the other stuff you said...it's not even relevant to what I said. You are grasping to these TD throws when I'm not even arguing them. You have tried (desperately) to twist my original point and latch onto this narrative that he does something I thought he didn't, when I never stated anything about his TD passes. This is a joke at this point discussing this anymore with the majority of posters in this thread. Time to find something else to discuss...this is a complete waste.

So then Transplant and JM2009 shouldn't be taken serious either since they both do the same, but to a higher degree. I'm held to a higher standard because I don't have high regard for Taylor as a player...simple as that.

Lol. The only one in denial here is you. Tendencies can't be determined on 17 throws...sorry, bud. You want to make a point to counter my claims with little to nothing to back it up, and when I direct you on how you can truly make a valid point and legitimately counter my reasoning, you get sensitive and chirp about how you don't "need" to do anything. Ok, you don't need to, but don't come back with some weak response pretending that you actually came back with something worthwhile...that trash you typed up doesn't deserve the time of day. I've put in more time researching on my own and bringing up facts on this matter than you ever will, so save you're I'm too cool to listen to you BS and come to the table with something substantial or go back to discussing with the puppets and uninformed...you appear to be in the same category lately.

The major problems with both Fitz and TT are that they fail late in games. One because he tried to do too much and couldn't put enough on some of those throws, while the other just isn't good enough to make the reads and anticipate throws when the defense is keyed in on obvious pass situations. Either that, or he's just afraid to take chances...neither is a good look. For the first three quarters of a game I would have a hard time deciding which one I would rather have. They both stink late in games.

The premise of what I'm saying is not wrong when the discussion wasn't about his 17 TD passes. We are talking about the 143 throws that they claimed TT was under pressure on...the TD throws are a small sampling of that. What you would need in order to claim I'm missing the mark would be to chart all of those throws and give me a number on how many he stood in and completed without using his athleticism. When you do that and show me an amount that would "encourage" me, then you would be correct saying what you said.

And six points under league average without pressure. It figures Tyrod is good under pressure since his elite athleticism can overcome that pressure by escaping it. I've never disputed his ability to get out of the pocket and make throws either, so this was never a criticism of TT from myself anyway.

This clearly means more to you then you let on. Deny all you want, but posters who are familiar with you can tell. It's a shame what TT and the posters who do not believe in your fantasy have done to you.

You're assuming he changed. I think all this Taylor talk brought out his true personality.