Straight Hucklebuck

Actually if sacks and TFLs don’t count, just tackles, then yes, Dorian Williams was more productive. Also I addressed the position by saying Abdullah played “edge”. Also, Beane kind of cuts your own argument out from under you because he’s most likely starting on the outside given the complexity of the Bills defense and Tulane’s simple system. All from Beane’s mouth. When Beane talks about how fast and athletic Williams is, it just sticks out to me that Jacksonville picked a bigger player, with better overall measurable, big sack production a round and a half later. Our reporters brought up the obvious fact that Bernard and Williams are virtually the same size. We all know Williams is not going to be a MIKE linebacker in the NFL at 6’1” 228 pounds. Same with Bernard. Kline is the starter right now.

Not at all Pbomb. Just looked at what other teams did and made judgements about the value of the players I think the Bills got. Another one for instance. AT Perry to the Saints in the 6th. 2,300 yards, 152 catches and 26 TDs at Wake Forest in his final two seasons. 6’3”-1/2”, so why is Shorter the better value if every GM we know says “the tape” is the most important thing? Ran faster at the Combine, better agility scores and jump scores as well. Shorter is more muscular, and maybe that’s what the Bills decided, but I don’t see how they got any value past Torrence.

My point exactly. Beane acknowledged that “everyone is worried about it” but he feels they have the right guys.

No it wasn’t, I gave examples of the players in the 3rd. For instance, Jacksonville took Yasir Abdullah in the mid-5th. 6’-1” but 237 pounds, ran a faster 40, better vertical and broad with more production. Played linebacker/edge at Louisville. That pick right there showed me the Bills just punted on value. Jaguars got a better athlete, with more weight at the same height, at the same position a round and a half later (45-picks) than the Bills did.

Beane said it - the Bills started talking about Special Teams in Round 3. Williams he was talking about Special Teams. Shorter was Special Teams. It felt like to me, after Torrence, the Bills just mentally exited the draft and took players with no chance to get on the field. No DTs - yes I know Beane said the board didn’t fall their way. The Baylor DT went right after Williams… No DEs, No OTs (passed on Dewand Jones, Duncan), No Centers. Just a miniature linebacker, a special teams Kumerow replacement, a backup Guard and long shot corner.

You mean nobody wants a 33 year old with like 10 career catches?

I think the Bills punted on the draft starting with the Dorian Williams pick in the 3rd. The concept of value just went out the window. Honestly after Torrence they should have just traded all the rest of their picks for next years Draft. If Kincaid turns out to be a HOFer the class is good, but otherwise I think they got next to nothing. Browns had a good draft, I still like what the Lions did, Steelers of course had a nice draft. Bengals not getting any of the elite TEs, WRs or OTs made me happy.

Justin Shorter verses AT Perry both 6’4”. Bills take Shorter in the 5th Saints gets Perry in the 6th The yards, catches, touchdowns all favor Perry, the combine also favors Perry. One key difference the Bills must be banking on is Shorter is 30 pounds heavier at the same height.

If that’s true, he misplayed it, then why not take the trade downs that Beane said were offered?

Turns out he was right on both those players. Say the Lions don’t take Campbell at 18th, does anyone think he drops 41 more spots to the Bills at #59? So the evaluation was correct that he was worthy of a first round pick, even a high 2nd makes sense. Flowers was taken off the board by a team that gets lauded for their understanding of the draft. I find Marino very conventional in his team building commentary. A guy leaves, and he immediately wants to replace that guy with someone who looks and feels just the same. He comes across to me as always wanting the safe, conventional pick.

That’s not the case. Marino didn’t have a reaction video up the moment Williams was picked. As soon as he was announced, I hated it and so did several Bills fans. The gut reaction was ugggghhhh. Even if you like the player, does anyone think he was BPA or the Bills got good value there? At #91?

Greg Cosell liked Jones film. Said he doesn’t have the greatest technique, but because of the sheer size it’s hard for anyone to get around him. Considering he’s 6’8” 375 pounds, started a high-end D1 school, and the Bills supposedly have a great OLine Coach, and took a power player in Torrence at #59, the logical bet would be to take a chance on that player, before a backup OLB (Beane already said he’s outside to start). Furthermore, Spencer Brown has been awful at RT, allowing free pressure on Josh Allen. Build a wall in front of Allen, Bills got no value with Dorian Williams. There are try-hard 228 pound converted-esque Safeties in every draft.

Again, the part where the Bills take a 228 pound linebacker and put him as a Special Teamer and backup on the outside at pick #91. Can’t play middle, and shocker, a guy who struggles against blocks at Tulane, let alone the NFL. The obsession with Special Teams continues.

The Bills punted on this draft as soon as they took Dorian Williams. Had offers to move out, take Dewand Jones, and instead went Special Teams in the third.

We don’t have to do this to ourselves. The mental gymnastics to convince ourselves this player makes sense. We know it’s not going to work. He’s too small. Let’s grow up and admit that the Bills have a blind spot for this kind of player. The try hard, undersized, small school linebacker who plays a lot of Special Teams. Bills consistently take that guy 2-rounds too early.

4:00 into Beane’s press conference and it’s “size matters” and “it’s never a bad thing to add up front” - But glad we chose to add a depth linebacker at 91 overall. The statements and logic don’t add up whatsoever.

What a dumb answer. What is logic to that? Draft a linebacker 1-2 rounds early? Guess we did it for a converted Safety last year, so might as well try it again because it worked so well.

I don’t want to hear about Matt Milano. I had the same concerns about Bernard as soon as that pick was made, but I made the well he’s like Matt Milano rationalization. And what a shock! Bernard got on the field and was flat out terrible. He looked and played like lost-overmatched Safety. Dewand is a bum, he’s lazy, he fat, since we’re going back in Bills history to put our capes on and defend a horrific pick, the same was said about Peters, how lazy and fat he was. Don’t we have a proven Offensive Line Coach? He couldn’t help shape Jones into a quality player? Starter at Ohio State. Makes no sense at all, how is this value or an understanding of the Draft by the Bills? Every year they do this off the wall ridiculous pick on a guy that’s 2-3 rounds too early. First two picks were so good and straightforward, but then we had to get Billsy and take Nic Harris, Alvin Bowen, Keith Ellison, Chris White and so on.

100%. Orlando Brown scored a 0.5 RAS and the Bengals just paid him $20M per season. How was Jones not worth a shot there to get Spencer Brown out of the starting lineup. He’s been awful for 2-years.

It’s a ridiculous pick, just like Bernard last year. You’re going to be trucked trying to stick 228 pounders in the middle of your defense. Complete whiff, complete reach, when there were better players on the board. Trades were happening all around them there and they didn’t think to get out of that pick?

It’s an absolutely awful pick. Say it out loud, a 6’1” 228 pound linebacker from Tulane. When does that kind of linebacker get onto the field as an effective linebacker? Every Scouting Report has him as a 4th-6th. Everyone loves Joe Marino out here, he had him as a 6th. ESPN has him at a 61, backup and Special Teamer. Bernard was a huge reach last year, and Williams is no different. Dewand Jones, I want to hear the story on why a 6’8” 376 pound OT that Greg Cosell likes on film, was not the pick there, and was not chosen the rest of the 3rd. He would have been a second bonafide presence on the Offensive Line. Only saving grace I see is the Bengals have done nothing on offense.

Taiwan Jones at 91st overall.

Diva approach? A top flight NFL WR who has 10 seasons in. Yup horrible guy.

It’s definitely not. Every scouting report reads the same. Athletic, rangy, but gets overwhelmed by blocks. That’s college at Tulane.

Could the Bills have traded down? 91st overall?