Straight Hucklebuck

100% agree. I don't understand how there is not unanimous agreement that Gabe is not a #2, and is holding this offense back. I'm sure you thought it too, it started with the passing on AJ Brown and DK Metcalf, but really, when they signed Emmanuel Sanders. It hasn't fallen right in the Draft for them the past two seasons, but Beane has to get that to close the Allen-Mahomes gap, let alone the rest of the AFC. We need a 1st Round traits WR on this roster. Also, Diggs is 29/30. 1,500 yards isn't going to last forever either.

100% agree. Mike Schopp said yesterday that 80% of Bills fans would be ok if they sent a 2nd for Henry. I was like you're out of your mind.

I think another top flight WR would really help this team, and is the piece they are missing. Diggs to Allen in 2020 got us past the first round, but we just have not added that 2nd huge talent at WR.

Oh my gosh, please no.

Norman active? That is psychotic and the Bills deserve what they get if he touches the field.

Was really banking on the 49ers handing the Bengals a loss…

After that wacko interview Josh gave yesterday. Freaking WEIRD What happened to that guys confidence

I think the results would be disappointing. Hines had 11 touches on offense in 9 games. Harty is catching less than 2 passes per game. Sherfied has 6 catches for 44 yards. And they’ve been here for the entire off-season and 7 games. Again, the talent. Thats what Allen needs. Diggs alone is not enough. And yes, Kincaid has not been fully realized. But all this hand wringing, WHO are you going to use more on this roster? And Renfrow? Just another duplicate of what we’ve tried for years.

The Bills have been partly prisoners of the moment trying to hold onto 2020, it would be refreshing to see a better idea than Cole Beasley.

Isn’t that what Beane said Dalton Kincaid is for? Why not just develop the 4.43 WR you drafted last year? We’ve got 85 slot guys. We are short outside WRs. If it’s just bringing in another dump off option, don’t bother. Just keep developing Kincaid and Shakir.

Well Greg Cosell loved him coming out of the draft, and right away he started to produce. He’s on pace for 1,400+ yards with Kenny Pickett and Johnson injured for much of the year, Freiermuth hurt now, and a mediocre run game. No interest in signing Gabe Davis to be a long term #2 when you inherit all the negatives with hands and dependence on deep plays.

Yes thank you for pointing that out. My point is instead of collecting another over-achieving 5’10” lunch pail scrub, this team needs another high traits boundary WR with some real R1 size and skill. We’ve plateaued offensively because we added Diggs in 2020 and stopped. Elite TALENT. I’ve said it on here since Emmanuel Sanders. We can up the tempo, harp on execution, utilize Kincaid, but where is another natural playmaker coming from? Great draft up coming for WRs. Gabe Davis has become such a sacred cow at OBD it’s like how did we ever play football without him?

What would our offense look like with George Pickens as the #2 WR?

I just have no interest in trying to recreate Cole Beasley constantly.

Well, the Jets game was just a gut punch. Seeing Allen turn the ball over brought those same "he's reckless" stories right back up again. In that game he was hurdling and diving. Losing to Zach Wilson. Our media was still bringing up the Jets game after the Washington game. It took weeks for the media to let that go. And Miami it was just on fire. The playmaking from both sides of the ball. The first odd comment to me was the entire plan to go to London, and when Josh Allen was talking about being "caffeined out" trying to stay awake. I had a bad feeling about that game right then. I've been to Europe 6 times, and I've never had this gigantic struggle with jet lag. Just sleep when you can sleep and you're fine. But that was the start of the first half slow starts, and the hand wringing about the offense. But the defensive injuries also added gloom to the mood. On Sunday, the play by play shows they moved the ball well. It was going forward for the most part. I would need another perspective on how Josh Allen played - Marino said he was bad. They really need a 30-point effort on Thursday.

That Baltimore stadium is sweet looking.

Yeah, his interview yesterday was WEIRD. He chooses to stay low positive, but then 30-seconds later he says he might have to crank it up more. John Warrow right away with the "you don't look like you're having fun" blast. Our media just pounces on these emotional/feelings type stories like a cat on catnip. Buffalo has always been uncomfortable with talent.

Same agility he showed on the sidelines in the Dolphins game. Both catches he’s lined up in the slot at LT and runs a simple flat underneath. I don’t know that it would take a lot of effort to design a couple of plays for him a game. We’re 40% done with the season now, so not sure how he gets a steady diet of 2-3 catches per game on 19 snaps. I keep saying it, but we saw this last year with Hines.

I thought he made a hot read to Diggs on the sliding touchdown. Patriots sent 8 and he got it there. He did bypass Knox twice on underneath throws for 1st downs, one time in favor of a sideline throw to Diggs. But isolate on his throws to Kincaid, Josh made several nice reads I thought, nice anticipation on the throw near the goal line off the Poyer punch out.

Well how long are we going to lament this? He's been gone for a year and a half now. Goff is going to eventually lose Ben Johnson. If the Ravens keep producing like this Moken is going to get promoted. The Bengals have Taylor and Callahan, but he got looks for HC last year. Bills brass decided to go with a rookie OC. Daboll had years under his belt. Other than firing McDermott and replacing with an offensive coach, I'm not sure what can be done about it. Maybe the Bills will hire an offensive consultant if this keeps going.

Anything to lower the bar and make ourselves feel better.

It's the same message that Kurt Warner has delivered, our Coaches have delivered: taking what the defense gives you. They are looking for that diagnosis and ball out to the easy read. When they see those options on film, they grade them as turndowns. And if it must be said, these aren't based on 2-3 hour video's where every play is analyzed. These are the general comments they provide.

With all this said, I think a large part of this is on Beane. Allen feels like LeBron in Cleveland the first time around (and really the second as well) where they got him Diggs, and they simply don't have other weapons that scare you. I mean really, Emmanuel Sanders on the edge of retirement in 2021? The ghosts of Cole Beasley and John Brown brought back in 2022. Not drafting a single WR before Round 4 since 2017? Listen Beane's philosophy has been keep as much of the 2020-2022 Bills on this roster as possible. So we're paying Oliver, paying Poyer, paying Tre White, paying Milano, paying Hyde, paying Von, paying Allen, paying Dawkins, paying Morse, paying Knox and so on. Beane has done a good job with the limited space he's had to cram is as many NFL veterans as he can around these larger contracts - David Edwards, Leonard Floyd, Damien Harris, Taylor Rapp, Poona Ford. But the WRs in the draft didn't fall to the Bills, and FA was thin - so again the Bills remade their bottom 3 (Crowder, McKenzie, Kumerow) with another set of journeyman (Harty, Sherfield) and only have Shakir as a draft investment, unless you include Shorter who Beane noted was a project. There just aren't many WR playmakers on this team. And regardless of what betting odds tell you (Mike Schopp), the Bills are not the Chiefs.

Allen admitted this. This isn't fans opinions. I was on this early with his physical conditioning. You see the offseason pictures - AGAIN not expecting a ripped 6-pack - but he was carrying a gut at the end of last season. We've all heard the stories about the drinking as told by Kyle Allen and Jordan Palmer. He had the Chris Simms interview where he says he does no upper body exercises. He has the Kyle Brandt interviews where he jokes around blowing off about offseason conditioning. But he came back to OBD this summer and said he can do more to be ready physically and mentally. He said he's never been more focused on football as he was for this 2023 season.

Well you look at the assorted pieces these team has: Gabe, Sherfield, Harty, Shakir, Kincaid, Cook, Murray. As Marino says - Gabe doesn't uncover quickly, build up speed, not sudden, can't separate, limited route tree based on go's, he's no different and doesn't have the traits to become a different WR. Harty has never been a featured piece in the NFL. 2023 (7 games) is 12% of his total NFL yardage. In 2020 he caught one 40-yarder, in 2021 it looks like he caught a handful of long ones including a 72-yarder, and he has a 43-yarder this year. In 2020-2021 he played about 33% of snaps. Sherfield is journeyman, and for us, has some size at 6'1". Looking through his 2022 Dolphins log's, outside of the 75 yard TD against the 49ers where he caught the ball on a dead run up the middle, he was 1 catch 5 yards, 2 catches 10 yards in most other games. Shakir has 18-236 in his career. But he's shown in the Raiders game this year, the Steelers game last year, some big catches in the 4th against the Ravens in 2022 that he can get open. Played 29% of snaps as a rookie, and is at 25% this season and probably increasing. Kincaid looks to be the intermediate option for Josh so far. I expect the offense to look the same - short, quick passes. Maybe some more 3 wide and 4 wide with Knox out, a lot of short stuff underneath to these sub weapons. Gabe occasionally gets a deeper pass thrown his way?? Cook's usage in the pass game is sporadic, so banking on him becoming a larger piece with a floor of targets, I've never seen it. If the premise is Allen wants to throw deep, I don't see how his weapons fit that strength. These are mostly smaller WRs with no history of being big pieces in an offense. Jalin Hyatt or George Pickens are probably a better fit for verticality. They'll also harp on execution.