Straight Hucklebuck

Just really strange if true.

Reality: Bills got to 2nd in ppg 2020, 3rd in ppg in 2021, 2nd in ppg in 2022 on the back of Allen throwing to WRs. Maybe they'll do the McBeane thing and select another DE in Round 1 because he's "BPA"

Ok, but this is the OC/Coaching Staff that couldn't figure out how to get Nyheim Hines more than 11 touches on offense after his trade to Buffalo on November 1st. We're going to believe that Dorsey can execute a shift in offensive philosophy to a 2-Tight End approach, on a team, with a QB that has never shown proclivity to throw to them? Also, I never have believed in BPA. I think what happens is the team grades all prospects, ranks them, and as they approach each pick there are 3-5 guys worthy of the selection, and sometimes need breaks the tie. A strict BPA is not a real strategy. Also, when you say it's a weak WR draft, there will still be 10 of them that goes off the board in the first two rounds, and we're picking at #27, not 10th.

If Allen and the Bills window is now, I don't see how #2 Tight End makes sense. "because they don't have 3 good WRs" and we're out there taking backup Tight Ends to help Allen? Maybe the picture becomes clearer after Free Agency, as it looks like the Bills will have Poyer and Edmunds money to spend.

I agree that Diggs is not uncatchable here. The Jets don’t have a great group behind him though, as I don’t think any of Mims, Corey Davis or Moore are better than Gabe Davis. Bills have an opportunity here to to increase the talent gap on the Jets at WR.

Absolutely that trade would have to be considered, taking into account what WRs are left at #27. If Hyatt or Flowers are still on the board, I'd be interested in selecting either because I still view WR as the easiest plug into our offense over a TE or RB. In the same vein, what offensive lineman are still left on the board there. I know Greg Cosell likes him.

No I understand. I'm saying when people say the Bills have shown you they want a better Tight End #2 because they signed OJ Howard and Tyler Kroft, I don't see that as a honest attempt to do anything. That's garbage bin shopping. You want Kraft, that's fine, provided a WR comes first. I just don't see how a #2 TE gets on the field that much on this team, let alone gets enough passes to warrant high selection. Why did we pay Knox? Find another Lee Smith if the #2 just has to block well.

I'll believe that when I see it. I've heard Capaccio make that argument too that the Bills really tried to bring in other Tight Ends with Kroft and Howard. Both of those guys were long-shot veterans. Howard was a bust, and had a major mid-career injury. Kroft is a JAG. Those aren't serious attempts to get better, and Kroft they miscalculated value on.

If you're getting a motivated Rodgers? Last year he was throwing those Brett Favrian "no conscious" interceptions. Just launch the ball deep to a WR with no separation.

That will be their big move, $50M in cap space, and they have to give assets to get him. In addition to then they have to get through the Bills, Bengals, Chiefs, Chargers, Dolphins, Jaguars who all have young QBs. They're desperate.

I don't see how Darnell Washington helps the Bills more than Zay Flowers if he is there. The Bills need someone to take hold of the slot position. A backup TE that is on the field 30% - 40% of snaps and requires an offensive philosophy change is not a great value. We all saw the sled drill where Washington picked that up like a folding chair, and Mayer struggled to move it like a couch in the living room.

Mike Schopp and Sal Capaccio are now pushing for a Tight End after Darnell Washington's combine performance. But I'm not sure how that would work. This offense has not historically revolved around Tight End usage, Allen has not thrown to the Tight End often. So now we take a Tight End at 27 over a slot WR, over an Offensive Lineman, he has to be on the field. With an investment already paid to Dawson Knox, now we'd have two large investments into Tight End, similar to running back, a position that the Bills have not used offensively in the Daboll/Dorsey offense. It's just not as clean of a fit.

Kyler Murray did this when he was stumping for a new contact. And, nobody is "turning on Allen". He's been at 4,200-4,400 yards, 35 TDs - 37 TDs, 700 yards rushing, 6 TDs - 8 TDs rushing a season for 3-years now. Elite numbers. But, this hasn't gotten the Bills to the Super Bowl, and we have to acknowledge that Mahomes is the best QB on the planet, and since the Chiefs just beat the Bengals and Eagles, they are the best team in the NFL. That means there is a gap and Beane is going to do his best to close it with more talent. But this sure looks like Allen's peak. If it is, what other avenue does he have to get better other than train harder? That's the only point. He can't control Beane's talent addition, or really, coaching. But can he squeeze anything else out of his physique? What are the downsides of training too much? Not enough? That's all fans are asking. "turning on Allen" - come on.

That's 2006-2012 Bills in the Ralph era. Letting a starter go, then replace that starter immediately in the draft. I couldn't believe that Beane/McDermott would replace Poyer/Edmunds immediately with a R1 pick.

That's why I keep saying that I think there is more for Allen. You look at his physique on this offseason trips verses the competition. Burrow was back in the gym weeks ago. Paired with what do we even know about whether Allen lifts or not in the offseason.

They want to give the Bills Ceedee Lamb and another pick? Sure. Otherwise, like Duke Tobin said about Tee Higgins, find your own WR, we're not in the business of making other teams better. That's what he's banking on. Tantrums = frustration = Bills fans turning on him = Bills FO feels pressure to unload him

Honestly I’d be depressed if this team drafts defense again in April.

Flowers is looking good.

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Yeah Brianmorman4jesus, I hear you. I’m mean look at most of us, it’s Saturday morning and we’re posting on a Bills board, looking again at Combine numbers, looking scouting reports of Josh Bloom to see if the Sabres gave away a good prospect, we’re fans. I agree with a lot of what you’ve wrote here. Over the years I do think Howard prepared less and less for the show. There were less notes he took from the Bills games that made the radio. He did lean into the self-deprecating, I’m fat, I’m old, I never work out, I’ll eat 6 doughnuts before a piece of broccoli hahaha schtick. And you’re right about WGR and narratives. That was the word I used in my last call with Howard and Jeremy after the Dolphins game, where they were going on and on about “no layups” in this offense but then simultaneously wanting Josh to check it down more often. They complained about how there is no run game, despite never wanting to run. It ties in with another point you made about listening to real experts break down film. You know that Dorsey schemed checkdowns into the offense because Kurt Warner showed you the play design on film and explained in detail the nuance of each play. But when you take that to Howard and Jeremy and site your source you get run off the air. Callers will reference old saying by Marv Levy, or talk about how important fullbacks are, or how the Sabres need an enforcer, or they’ll start crying on the air and they’ll get time. You make a technical point, you better make it quick and get off the air. Jeremy and Joe have ADHD as they bounce around from the Madden cast, Everton soccer, golf documentaries, and Twitter statistics. Schopp has been on a crusade this week about how teams don’t know who is going to be good or bad in the draft. With all that said, your large National programs are even more limited in scope. It’s Cowboys, Aaron Rodgers, Lakers, Mahomes blowing, Russell Westbrook bashing.

Win one Super Bowl for us Von before you start in the Front Office.

That's a no brainer. That means you're not re-signing Edmunds and Poyer, but this might be your last best chance to make a run with a 30 year old Diggs. Bills were going to use at least one draft pick on WR anyways. Might as well keep your first, use your second, trade Oliver to replace the conditional pick you have to give.

Oliver has been okay, a 5/10. He flashes here and there, and is steady most other times. Beane said there is more meat on the bone for growth. Problem is, that should have happened this year. Because now he's on a 5th year option, and if you're not going to extend him, you don't get the $10.5M in cap space. I think a decent FA DT could replace his production, and there is no getting around his size, it limits him. If he improves this season, then you're right back to a dilemma about whether to hand him a 2nd contract. Yet another defensive player getting a 2nd contract. I would keep Epenesa just so that the team is not tempted to take another draft asset (especially R1, R2, R3) and pour it into the defensive line. This team has 6 picks right now with needs all over the offensive line starter and depth, WR, S, LB, we're weak at backup QB, there is no #2 TE on this team.

Amen SC. I thought the same thing. He scolds the media and fans for having "unrealistic" expectations. YOU/FO/McDermott put him into the #2 WR role on a team that had Championship aspirations. The FO chose not to get involved in the Davante Adams trade, the AJ Brown trade, no way the Chiefs were going to trade Hill here, the Cooper trade, the Hopkins trade. No fan simply typed 205 yards and 4 TDs into the computer and expected 1900 yards, 18 TDs on 106 catches. But he had numerous games in the 3 catch, 35 yard range on a team that has been ready to win for 2 years now. Combined with the drops, and seemingly small route tree. Add in, that the FO added another old, past their prime WR in Crowder, and a 5th Rounder. Beane you were telling us you were all-set at WR, but by the 3/4 mark of the season it was the FO that calling John Brown and Cole Beasley off the street.

Thank you for the detailed response, but I disagree. You sitting there and saying "I clearly don't know" this and that. You're embellishing what I said. I don't need a standing V-Cut abdomen, with a chiseled DK Metcalf-esque chest. But the NFL is small margins. He was 4.54 coming out. He's 6'2" not 6'4". He doesn't have fluid hips, he is stiff. So Beane is saying he's the hardest worker on the team, but this team is peaking now, Allen needs a #2 now. And I'll take it one step further. I think Allen can tighten up too. You look at some of his pictures and he's got a belly as well. And here's the thing, we've seen this FO: you can't depend on them to get him multiple top-tier options. He has Diggs, and it's a step down to everyone else. Our run game is hit and miss, Cook comes and goes, Hines is not used, WRs 4, 5, 6 on this team are unplayable, we don't have a #2 Tight End. It's Diggs, Davis and Shakir right now. And we've seen Allen for 3 years plateau at 4200-4500 yards, 35-37 TDs passing, 6-8 rushing. Elite numbers. But what path is there for him to be even better? I think his fitness is one avenue, and newcam said on a Kyle Brandt's Basement that Josh says he doesn't lift because he doesn't want stiffness in his throwing motion. Maybe I'm on an island on this, but I don't really care. I think there can be more done with Davis and Allen here.