Straight Hucklebuck

No it was Doug Whaley. He was the GM and oversaw the Pro Personnel Department. That is not Sean McDermott.

Beane does not get credit for Hyde and Poyer. That was Doug Whaley.

I'm in on the McDermott = Jauron thing too. I think at his core he is an ultra conservative, defensive minded coach, who would rather wait for the other team to make mistakes, punt and play defense, run the ball to shorten the game, doing just enough to win 14-13. I don't think he believes in passing offense becoming the strength of his football team. When hired he was asked what his kind of offense looks like, he said running the ball in snowy Buffalo and valuing players for Special Teams ability. How is that any different than how Rex approached offense? I don't think he was joking. In interviews right now he is talking about winning the line of scrimmage, playing complimentary football. Playing smart, physical. Who have his OC's been - 200 year old Dennison and now run-heavy Daboll. No football fan would argue that those things aren't positives, but I don't see the Bills ever being able to score enough points to seriously threaten teams like the Rams, Chiefs, Saints, Steelers, Patriots with the offense and style he is trying to build. Fans reference the cap space that we have next season, but judging the type of WRs and RBs this FO has signed in the past, I don't see dynamic playmakers coming to Buffalo in FA. If you have a choice as a WR, you're not choosing Buffalo. They traded up in the 2nd Round for a WR and settled on a possession WR from East Carolina. I'm not optimistic that we grow into a top flight offense with McDermott. I don't think he believes in it. I think he believes in defense and running.

Well Trent, the Bills don’t really have a choice now do they? Your options are Nate “Interception” Peterman or a street free agent.

My own theory is culture and leadership are overrated. The main goal for everyone is making money. For me to make money I have to show up and get results. You either have it or you don’t. Leadership and culture are overrated.

Sean McDermott = Dick Jauron

Well it’s probable everybody is a little right here: 1. Allen was not a stand out player in college. He had 600 pass attempts in college, Baker Mayfield had 1,500. 2. After listening to Beane describe why he took Allen, it sounded frankly like Doug Whaley and EJ Manuel. They loved his size and arm. They wanted their own Cam Newton. Beane specifically referenced “Cam Newton” by name in WGR interviews after the draft. Did he mention how Allen actually threw a football with accuracy? No. He was picked on potential, not production (Mahomes) or winning (Watson) or polish (Rosen). 3. Offensive personnel is among the worst in the league. Bills have fringe/journeyman starting all over: Mills, Duccasse, Bodine, old Whaley leftovers: Clay, McCoy, and the worst set of WRs in the league. Zay Jones, #37 overall, is a bust. Ruben Foster is your #2 WR along with Andre Holmes. 4. Not every analyst “hated” Josh Allen. But I think it is safe to say the consensus around him was that him succeeding would fly in the face of most analytics we have today to measure QBs. His overall accuracy was poor, his stats were pedestrian, he didn’t have a great record against anyone good in college. 5. Your coach is Sean McDermott. The same guy who when hired said his offense has to be physical in the run game because we play in snowy Buffalo. Any shock more wasn’t done to help this offense? Time to raid practice squads. I’m not surprised. The Bills made a poop sandwich on offense and are now eating it. 3/4 games despite who plays QB the Bills can hardly pick up a first down. Now, with how much you invested in Allen (#12, #53, #56 and Glenn) and the pile of dead money you are eating this year, you have to go all in this coming offseason to see if he can be the answer. It would not not be shocking to me if Allen keeps making the same mistakes over and over again.

Best throwbacks are the Chicago Bears. Those are crisp.

Hopefully it goes something like a story I heard Vince Carter tell about the first time he could dunk. He was in 6th grade and he said that instead of trying to break people down with dribbling, he realized he could just start dunking on people. I hope that's how Allen plays for the Bills. Just throwing over the top, running past, jumping over, just using his physical gifts to dominate the field. It would be nice to get Allen a burner that could get behind people so he could uncork some bombs. In the meantime, more scheme like Daboll employed Sunday with the slants and misdirections and we'll at least join 2018 offenses.

I think the Bills are going to get slaughtered. Who is going to cover Thielen and Diggs? And how are the Bills expecting Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones going to separate from Xavier Rhodes and Trae Waynes?

Give me Schopp all day over Sal Capaccio. Schopp actually thinks of new theories and doesn’t give the Bills a pass on incongruent thinking and decision making. Sal tells you what McDermott said after practice and how he lived in Florida a long time ago.

Amen to that. Old Motor Mouth doesn't stop talking unless its about his son Max or how he lived in Florida years ago.

I think it’s close with 2009 (Jauron fired mid-season, Peters traded, Turk Schonert as the pop-gun offense/Trent Edwards no-huddle getting fired right before the season started, getting flicked off by Bud Adams in Tennessee) but Nix’s 2010 was the worst I’ve ever seen the Bills run organizationally. - 70-year old Nix chosen to be the GM after Ralph and Russ “scanned a list of names” and had him interview against John Guy. - Hiring Chan Gailey as Coach, who was out of football when Nix called. - Switched the defense to a 3-4, then spent the majority of the draft on players that fit that scheme. Troup, Carrington, Batten, Moats. - Traded Lynch for 5th Rounder - Extended Chris Kelsay and thought he could play outside linebacker. - Drafted Spiller 9th overall and he got 78 carries in his first year. - Kept Trent Edwards as the starting QB. - Signed Cornell Green to be the starting RT. - Signed worn out linebackers - Reggie Torbor, Akon Ayodele, Pierre Woods, Audra Davis to “teach” the 3-4 with George Edwards as DC. That 2009/2010 period we felt as rinky-dink as an organization as you could possibly be.

Bosa, no thought about it. DE is a premium position and we’re stuck with Trent Murphy and Hughes declining production, and Shaq Lawson who is a bust.

Yeah, Beane and McDermott continue to look great compared to the rest of the NFL. Vlad Duccasse starting for two years now, keeping Mike Tolbert as the only backup RB last year, benching Tyrod last year, signing Vontae Davis who was shot before retiring, the Trent Murphy signing is looking good, all the great work they’ve done with the WRs - Anquan, Kerley, Clay, trading for Coleman. Do these guys guys look like they can build a top flight offense? With McDermott being as conservative as he is? With Beane’s obsession with old Carolina guys? I thibk its it’s okay to use your brain and critically analyze whether these two look like they know what they are doing and not use cliches like you can’t win a Super Bowl in one year.

Of course, so its excused in Buffalo. But for us, draft picks are gold and must protected at all costs, oh wait no they're not - we traded up for Zay Jones, Dion Dawkins, Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds.

I think that is a complete cop-out answer, based on nothing but love for the team. Its not factually accurate at all. Beane/McDermott chose this path. They did not inherit this kind of dead cap. They created it.

Kind of like Buddy Nix/Doug Whaley in 2013 when EJ Manuel competed against UDRFA Jeff Tuel and Practice Squad Journeyman Thad Lewis, with rookie OC Nate Hackett, who also doubled as the QB Coach.

Yeah you're right. Might as well throw in the towel and not even try to get better.

Not good enough for the Bills according to some of our fans, but he'll go to New England and now we'll fail to cover him for 2 games this year.

I think its valid to look at the people Beane and McDermott have traded and signed and wonder if they understand what it takes to win in this league. You're out there trying to compete with Pat Mahomes and Tyreke Hill with Josh Allen and Zay Jones. We're out there trying to compete with the Packers, Vikings, Jaguars, Patriots with Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones leading the WR group, with worn out LeSean McCoy and a pop-gun offensive scheme. Does McDermott and/or Beane even want talented players? Or do they think they can watch tape more intently than everyone else in the league and work harder than everyone on the field?

We are a collection of old players (Jerry Hughes, Kyle Williams, Lorenzo Alexander), scrub FAs (Murphy, Star L), undersized (Milano), young (White and Edmunds) and regression to the mean (Poyer, Hyde) playing an outdated/conservative scheme. The answer is we have few good players playing in their prime on first contracts.

There is no case for sitting there and not trying to get better at WR. Our leading WR is Zay Jones with 89 yards in a league where numerous teams are scoring 30+ with ease. Our Coach and GM is obsessed on this choir boy culture that does not differentiate us from anybody else in the league. Next week will be awesome to watch with Murphy, Benjamin and Charles Clay leading the way against the Vikings. Should be fun to watch them compete with Cousins, Cook and Diggs.

Well that's what you get when you constantly sign players on their legs as players. Anquan Boldin, Vontae Davis, Mike Tolbert, Star L, Jeremy Kerley, Chris Ivory - its the constant dumpster diving that Beane and McDermott try to build the roster with.

Take the emotion out of this. We are among the least talented rosters in the NFL. Maybe Arizona is swirling the drain with us, but they at least do have a HOF WR still playing and a RB who is more in his prime.