Straight Hucklebuck

Because both Buffalo franchises are historically bad, and because of that, fans of our teams have low sports self esteem. Buffalo clings to the Rudy Ruettiger, Vince Papale underdog, hope beyond hope stories because they see it as a reflection of themselves. The Seabiscuits of the NFL and NHL. The Little Engine that Could. Our teams build around Chris Kelsay and buy it when the organization spins guys like Steve Johnson as a cancer. The Bills and Sabres have been rebuilding for so long, the Draft is our Super Bowl and so anything that takes away from Draft picks is hated. Because the Draft picks, according to those fans, represent the golden ticket to being good someday. We trade away anyone that has talent for culture reasons - Marshawn Lynch, Jason Peters, Patrick Kane, Ryan O'Reilly, Marcell Dareus, Sammy Watkins, Ronald Darby, letting Pat Williams go because he wanted too much money, trying a one-year stunt for Terrell Owens to sell tickets. Talent is always "not worth it" according to Bills fans. The phrase "he doesn't want to be here" gets thrown around all the time. Coach after coach, we've hired here has an old mentality - Dick Jauron, Doug Marrone, Dan Bylsma, Phil Housley, Sean McDermott specifically have a "we're going to outwork everyone" mindset. They reinforce the notion that talent is a headache, and that culture is the ticket. Our fans are gullible. They believe it. You have fans tripping over themselves on this board to give McDermott and Beane more time. They get free passes for mediocre results. We won't trade for Odell Beckham, we'll watch the Patriots do it and mutter about Brady cheating under our breaths like the losers that we are. Chris Brown will do a puff piece about how Josh Allen had one of the best rookie seasons ever, and how taking OTA reps will catapult him in Year 2.

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Larry Johnson has two incredible years, 1,700 yards each season. Then he broke down. Jamaal Anderson of the Falcons David Boston Josh Gordon had 1,600 yards in 14 games and has never been as good again Mike Turner in Atlanta died out quickly - I stand corrected, he had 3x 1,000 yard seasons Peerless Price Case Keenum Robert Griffin III Justin Blackmon could have been good.

You gotta be kidding me

Put him in the slot. And run the ball with someone else.

Not when you followup 9-7 with a 6-10 snoozer. Selling the same old story of hope, continuity and "progress"

I know that 3-point masterpiece needs to be put in a keepsake for all eternity.

The clock starts as soon the coach signs the contract.

Well the elder fans who criticize the younger fans sure have been proven right over the years haven't they?

Why even spend money to go to the games?

No eball - you should ask yourself why you feel the need to shame other fans for trying to have a standard for this team. This is professional sports, not a soup kitchen.

Reach for need and blow large amounts of draft capital because they covet specific players?

Then, we should treat them like the Bills. Call me when you're good.

Then guess what? The Culture excuse is long gone. McDermott has his culture. Now get some results.

The Sabres disgust me. As soon as the the expectations are raised with a 10-game win streak, they tucked their head into the shell and went down with a whimper. 86% chance to make the Playoffs at one point, down to less than 40% now.

What a load of baloney this is. All of it. This whole thread is the sad epitome of the failed Buffalo sports fans mentality. Trying to find any excuse they can to lower bar. To shame the rest of the fans for their lack of understanding and impatience. Frankly, I don't care how many times McDermott points out that he has seen it all and done everything. That he keeps a little notebook with him at all times, critiquing a players devotion to his lame process. The "process" is a fake, made-up word that he uses and the bobble-head fans lap it up. Doug Marrone had that arrogant, been there, done it all attitude as well. He hasn't won anything. Not in Philadelphia, not in Carolina, and not in Buffalo. Sorry Coach, you run a 1908 Harvard offense, and have been dead wrong on Nate Peterman, not once, but twice. You have a 15-17 overall record in Buffalo. What GM is going to say that continuous improvement is not the goal? His head is stuck in Carolina. 2019 is McDermott and Beane's third year in Buffalo. Not first. Third. I don't know how you come to that statement you made. They have their culture, they have their QB, they have their cap space, they have their Draft picks, they have the owner's backing. I'm sure Chris Brown will tell us about the importance of OTA's, John Murphy will have his fire-side chat with Kim Pegula with warm cookies baking in the oven behind them, Allen will talk some non-sense about not looking over his shoulder, that all players make the jump from Year one to Year two, we'll have Mark Kelso talk about the importance of continuity, and we'll have Jim Kelly tell us that we've found our franchise Coach and QB for the 7th time since 2000, but that's garbage. We've heard all of this before. When are we going to get results Shaw? The bar should be 10-wins and a legitimate, solid Playoff birth. The Jets have a new Coach, the Dolphins have a new Coach, Brady will be 42 next season. But not in Buffalo. You're the kid who doesn't get toys at Christmas. Instead we'll get a Coach talking about the importance of getting 31 year old LeSean McCoy "going" and a GM patting himself on the back for Tremaine Edmunds greatness, all the while Kyle Williams leads the charge. The real truth is Shaw, Kyle Williams would have been better as a Raven, or a Steeler, or a Patriot. He could have played in games that matter. But the Bills don't want better. They want to live in the past, live in their mental safe box of low expectations, always the cashier muttering to themselves about how unfair it all is.

7 wins is progress? 8 wins is progress? Geez, this fan base never changes. We were saying the same things when Dick Jauron was here. There will never be any real expectations in Buffalo.

So we’re just going to excuse a poor 2019 already? ‘Gel’ - a Bills fake made up fan word where magically individual poor NFL lineman suddenly are good when strung together as a group?

Sorry you don’t like it, but the Bills Super Bowl is always the Draft. Always hyping the future and making excuses for 6-win seasons. When are are we going to win 11-games Joe? When are we going to have a modern NFL offense? Where are our playmakers?

The fans have adopted the Bills mindset. Hopelessly compelled to sell hype and hope when presented with mediocre results.

2007 - Poslusny 2008 - James Hardy 2009 - Jarius Byrd 2010 - Torrell Troup 2011 - Aaron Williams 2012 - Cordy Glenn 2013 - Robert Woods/Kiko Alonso 2014 - Cyrus K 2015 - Ron Darby 2016 - Reggie Ragland 2017 - Zay Jones/Dion Dawkins Look at that list. Antonio Brown is much better than all those players. Hold onto those draft picks Bills fans, but I want to win someday.

Reading these comments, Bills fans have really worked themselves into a mindset where talent is never worth it. Everybody is a character risk, nobody is worth it. There is more loyalty for our Coach, than the expectation on the team to get great players in here. Outside of Andre Reed, OBJ would be the best WR to ever put on a Bills uniform.

Really? Like Chris Ivory is a make or break player. I’d like a whole new set of running backs Shady included. Being chained to 30-31 year old veterans is ridiculous.

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