Straight Hucklebuck

Even last week McDermott started to slip in the "this is what we inherited" garbage.

Only Bills fans thumb their noses up at WR help, when their leading WR has 5 catches for 89 yards and 0 TDs in 2 games, and their next leading "receiver" is 30-year old LeSean McCoy who has 5 catches for 28 yards.... Classic Bills fans.

McDermott “kind of guys” are old, slow veterans.

Kelvin Benjamin, Dez Bryant and Josh Gordon sound better than Kevin Benjamin, Zay Jones and Andre Holmes, but we know that will never happen because they aren’t “McDermott kind of guys”.

Been to 8 Super Bowls, 4 more than Montana and 3 more than Elway. He’s played almost half of his career in the Super Bowl and 75% of his career at the AFC Title Game. Its absurd and petty to let a couple couple deflated balls and Jets hand signals invalidate 18 years of complete dominance.

We have few quality GMs because Ralph never looked farther than down the hall or past people he knew personally. Polian, Butler, Donahoe - the one outside hire he made, Marv, Levy, Russ Brandon, Buddy Nix (after scanning a list of names and only interviewing against John Guy), Doug Whaley (who was brought in by Nix), Brandon Beane.

Conversely, if they get beat again, the same handful of fans will start digging out the stats on 0-2 teams making the Playoffs. They’ll also have the built in reason/excuse for Josh Allen starting his first game.

Leaning on a 30 year old running back for the bulk of their offense in 2018, that sounds like Bills.

That’s a good take man. That Peterman was McDermott’s choice, and Beane/Dabol said no way, you’re starting Allen.

Thanks for the detailed response. I agree the analysis. Zay Jones is trending towards a bust at #37. Dion Dawkins is okay? Even though I don't think he'd rate highly on Pro Football Focus. Edmunds and Allen are far too young to judge. The roster is really thin. Somewhat due to what they inherited, but also due to the trades and decisions this FO has made. 2nd oldest roster in the league now according to other posts on this message board.

Bills fan should see past good coach / bad coach by now. It's bigger than that. Here are the records since 2000: 2000 - 8-8 New Coach 2001 - 3-13 2002 - 8-8 2003 - 6-10 New Coach 2004 - 9-7 2005 - 5-11 New Coach 2006 - 7-9 2007 - 7-9 2008 - 7-9 2009 - 6-10 New Coach 2010 - 4-12 2011 - 6-10 2012 - 6-10 New Coach 2013 - 6-10 2014 - 9-7 New Coach 2015 - 8-8 2016 - 7-9 New Coach 2017 - 9-7 Average Wins: 6.7 The reason is bigger than Coaching: 1. The Bills can't find a QB, and mostly because they make the minimum effort. They've mostly taken other team's leftovers and tried them. Bledsoe, Holcomb, Thad Lewis, Fitzpatrick, Kyle Orton, Tyrod Taylor. When not taking other people's backups, they meekly tried to find their own guy: JP was the leftover 1st Rounder, Trent Edwards was a 3rd Round backup that the Bills tried to make a starter for over 3 years, EJ was a QB taken in a terrible year, an immediate bust. Allen is the first QB that they've really gone all in on in 20 years. Bad QB play gets Coaches fired. So every 2-3 years we are starting over with a new QB, a new Coach, and all the old regimes players are flushed out, so that system fits can be found for the new Coach. 2. The Bills can't draft. You look at how quickly most of their draft classes wash out of the league, with very few legitimate/legacy players that play with the team past their first contract. Xavier Omon, Derek Fine, Reggie Corner, Alvin Bowen, Ed Wang, Danny Batten, Aaron Maybin, Duke Williams, Tim Anderson, Torrel Troup, TJ Graham, Kelvin Sheppard, Johnny White, John McCargo, Nic Harris, Jonathon Meeks and on and on. Guys that couldn't even see the field because they weren't psychically gifted enough to even play Special Teams. There is nobody left from 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 and so on. Outside of Kyle Williams and Eric Wood, how many staple guys really were lifelong Bills and high level players in this league? 3. #1 and #2 are symptoms of #3. The Bills are a conservative organization that does not innovate. Examples of this are all over this franchise. Marv was hired in mid-phonecall by Ralph as he was seeking advice on the GM search, who then hired his buddy from Chicago, Dick Jauron, who then ran an outdated Tampa-2 with small lineman and linebackers. We got run over for 4 years. Buddy Nix was selected after "scanning a list of names" and narrowing the decision to two in-house choices which led to flipping flopping the scheme on defense and wasting 2 years worth of draft picks, "promoting from within" with Russ Brandon's influence, can't let players run the team so we cut ties with Pat Williams, Nate Clements, Antoine Winfield, Jason Peters, Marshawn Lynch, trying to replicate the Steelers success twice with Donahoe and Whaley, hiring Chan Gailey who was out of football, selecting Doug Marrone, in part, because of the New York connection and getting suckered by his agent creating a market, trying to recapture the 2010-2011 Jets and ripping up an established Mike Pettine/Jim Schwartz defense with Rex. And now its the same thing. Another ultra conservative Coach who wants to play 1970's football. Really all of our Coaches since 2000 have been like this, except for maybe Gailey. Like we are going to line up and run over teams with a 30 year old LeSean McCoy because we have a fullback. More punting for field position, more FGs, more throwing 5 yard outs on 3rd-8 because its better than a turnover. When are we finally going to build a top flight offense in Buffalo and not live in NFL nostalgia? We had to have this rocket armed QB at any cost. Is McDermott really going to change his philosophy from physical football in snowy-cold Buffalo to airing the ball out? If we were gifted Alvin Kamara or Tyreke Hill, would the Bills know how to use them? They couldn't figure out a flare pass to Watkins. I see no high gear with McDermott and Beane. I think they want to win games 17-14 just like Mularkey did, Jauron did, Marrone did, Rex did. We don't want Randy Moss, he is a bad apple.....

I know what I’d do. Pat DiMarco would be on the the field all the time with Kahari Lee, and I’d pound the rock all day in I-Formation with Chris Ivory.

What is “intelligent conversation” regarding the Bills? Is it should Chris Ivory see more touches? When does Kahari Lee see the field? Is Siram Neal a diamond in the rough? Maybe it’s Ray Ray McCloud is ready to contribute now, or Wyatt Teller is progressing, Eddie Yarborough is in the rotation. Is that what intelligent conversation is to the enlightened posters here?

I’m not buying McDermott’s sob story about inheriting a bad team that needed new culture. Hey Beane, it’s 2018, might want to do better than Chris Ivory and Jeremy Kerley.

I will always fly the realist flag. This organization has been mostly garbage since 1960 outside of 1988-1993. Beane/McDermott look like the same ultra conservative coaches we’ve had here since Jauron. Trying to play 1970’s football in 2018. Sorry, that’s what it looks like.

Rome killed it. Leave it to the Bills to make something so cornball and cheesy. Gear up at the Pro Shop today!!!!!

You know, this is a common cop out I am starting to see more and more often. Heck even McDermott said it this week. This is the team we “inherited” and now we’re trying to build it the “right way”. Well McDermott and Beane, it’s on you too. You didn’t have to trade 23 year old Ronald Darby for a 3rd, he could have been your corner opposite White for 2 more years. You didn’t have to bench Taylor and put in a 5th Round rookie. McDermott you didn’t have to trade up for Zay Jones, who has been a complete bust, and you didn’t have to trade up for Dion Dawkins, giving away two more draft picks. You gutted prominent players on the offensive line in Glenn and on the defensive line in Dareus. Whaley handed you Poyer and Hyde. Whaley also handed you Clay and McCoy and Hughes and Alexander. All guys that you couldn’t find anyone better than. Did Beane read the situation right by trading #12, #53, #56 to move up 5 spots for Allen? A team was really going to move up ahead of the Bills? Let alone was Allen the right choice? Did we have to trade #65 for Edmunds? Was why Preston Brown allowed to walk? Deonte Thompson was let go, Jordan Matthews wasn’t resigned, Dez Bryant is still out there, did the Bills really do everything they could to improve WR? Did Mike Tolbert have to be the one and only backup RB last year while we leaned on 29 year old McCoy? Why did this FO think Chris Ivory was worth signing? Do McDermott and Beane watch these games, 40+ points being scored, Quarterbacks throwing for 400 yards and think we are going to build an offense like that? Or are they Dick Jauron/Doug Marrone disciples who believe in hard work, punting and snowy Buffalo rock pounding? I think it’s too early to judge Beane and McDermott fully, but neither one gives me a great feeling that they know what they are doing. Neither one gives me a feeling that we are going to have a watchable offense on Sundays. They give me the feeling that we are stuck in the same conservative mindset. The same type of Coaching we always get. They give me the feeling that their minds are stuck in Carolina, stuck on winning 17-14 games with Kaolin Clay on Special Teams, stuck on punting to play field position and kicking FGs on 4th-1. The Bills are out there trying to run McCoy out of Shotgun, and throwing 5 yard outs on 3rd-8 to avoid turnovers and keep the down and distance manageable. Trying to beat teams like the Saints and Rams by pinning them in their own end..... Its not not too early to judge. Playoffs in 2017 bought them through 2019, but next offseason better be good. You don’t get 5 year rebuilds. And stop blowing picks by trading up all the time, there are holes everywhere on this roster. Might have to bypass the choir boy to get a guy who can run a 4.30.

That’s one thing that irked me (among many other things) that McDermott said in his Monday Press Conference. That the Bills are a “young team” and the Ravens game was a “learning” opportunity. My biggest problem with McDermott and Beane is their mindset. They approach the game like Dick Jauron and Doug Marrone, ultra conservative. McDermott uses the same phrases as those two guys. Study the tape, earning the right to win, work hard. And what does that look like on Sundays? A punt is good because it improves field position, you keep Mike Tolbert as your primary backup because he plays Special Teams, you trade for Kelvin Benjamin because “he’s open when he’s not open”, you trade up for a possession receiver in Zay Jones, your goal is to keep things in 3rd and manageable, you kick FGs when you’re down by 40. McDermott is Dick Jauron. Wait for other teams to make a mistake so you can sit on a lead and squeak wins out 17-14. Beane isnt going to build a modern, explosive offense. They just had to have their Cam Newton. Just so the rocket armed QB can hand off to 30 year old running backs and dump off to Logan Thomas.

Come on with this. You've been watching poop sandwich football from this organization since the late 1990's. They make the Playoffs once in 18 years and all is forgotten. Look at the lack of talent on this roster. Jordan Mills has been your starting RT for 3 years. Vlad Duccasse is still starting. Your #1 WR had 1 catch for 10 yards. McCoy and Clay are both 29/30 years old and not getting any younger. Look at the FA signings that Beane has made. And fans are supposed to keep their mouths shut and believe in McDermott's elite culture? How did being on time for meetings and "earning the right to win" look on Sunday?

Okay, let's debate the impact Nate Orchard will make, or if Ray Ray McCloud deserves more playing time. Let's figure out a way to jump start Shaq Lawson's career, or how we can get Pat Dimarco involved in the offense.

Well I think its pretty easy to figure out. I don't think there is any dark motive behind it, some depression induced psychological anger that members get out by coming on this message board. I just think you have to be honest as a fan. The Bills organization has been around since 1959/1960 and they've been a losing organization for almost all of it, outside of 1988-1993. The Bills haven't won a Playoff game since 1995. If you're a Bills fan, you get to debate whether Nate Peterman should start, or if Josh Allen will be "ruined" behind a horrible offensive line. Our Coach wants to run the ball in snowy Buffalo and punt, meanwhile QBs all over are throwing for 400 yards. Since I don't get it, and always miss the point, my question back to you what do you want fans to talk about? Should Jason Croom get more reps? Maybe we could talk about when Wyatt Teller is ready to play, or if Vontae Davis will make an impact this year? What do you want from Bills fans? Fans were pessimistic about Allen because guys like Greg Cosell said the guy is inaccurate. He didn't have a great college career. He got drafted because our GM wanted Cam Newton. He talked specifically about Cam Newton the day after the draft on WGR 550 on the Howard Simon show.

Why do some fans try and shame other fans into the behavior they deem appropriate?

McDermott will never answer that question. Today he talked about how how it was a learning process, that the Bills are a “young team”, how great it was that they kept fighting out there and how there was some good and bad from the game yesterday. McDermott is Dick Jauron.

Well they can go home and swim in a pool of money, so who cares if they have a helper to tell them how great they are.

You don't know what I'm talking about? McDermott was asked what his ideal offense is: he said: running the ball and playing physical in snowy Buffalo. His first OC hire was 900 year old Rick Dennison who ran a 1970's offense. And if yesterday is any indication, we'll be doing the same this season, dumping the ball off on 3rd and 9, and trying to run McCoy straight into the line out of Shotgun.