Straight Hucklebuck

It’s not to say Diggs sucks, it’s just that Jefferson is a good prospect in his own right. I’m not especially attached to the mid rounders we gave away, but I don’t think we fleeced Minnesota or anything seeing how this has turned out. I think it’s closer than a landslide to the Bills that’s all.

Top 5 in the game... With two low 1,000 yard seasons? Diggs is fine, but Bills fans talk about him like he’s a league leader.

Okay, Jefferson is also 5 years younger. On a deal of a couple million a year. Jefferson and 7th Rounder or Diggs, 4th Rounder, 5th and 6th? We’ll see, but Beane’s calculation was not completely correct.

Based on what? Jefferson had huge production at an SEC school and better combine metrics.

So it would have been Justin Jefferson to the Bills had they stayed at #22.

Coaches can stop saying that the Combine is for medicals and interviews. Ruggs is the first WR off the board because of his 4.27.

I think 1998-2000 was interesting. You go from the 1998 Vikings who explode onto the scene with Cunningham, Moss, Carter and Robert Smith, to the 1999 Rams and The Greatest Show on Turf and Warner’s massive season to the 2000 Ravens, the greatest defense ever.

Lucky for us, Math gives us the answer to this so it's not an opinion. Watkins vs Robinson -1.2 catches/game, - 10.2 ypg, -0.05 TDs/game Watkins vs Benjamin +0.3 catches/game, +6.3 ypg, +0.08 TDs/game He's closer to Benjamin, with Sean McVay and two years of Pat Mahomes ...

Except for he was brought in to be the #1 WR for the Bills. He lasted 3 seasons, missed 23% of the games played. Kahlil Mack, from UB, has been an All-Pro, taken 5th overall, and we know the rest of the WR story, Mosely, Donald, Barr, Lewan, Shazier, Martin, Fuller. 1/2 the First Round made the Pro Bowl. The Bills had the 4th overall pick and couldn't find a Pro Bowler in an absolutely stacked draft. Does he have the talent to play at the NFL level - yes. Is he remotely close to what he was billed as? No. He is a rotational WR and helped Buffalo for all of 37 games. Horrendous pick. Oh and the entire reason he was picked was to help EJ as the top flight weapon. That experiment lasted all of 4 games before Marrone switched to Orton, so even the plan was a failure on top of Watkins failure.

Watkins 76 games, 284 catches, 4244 yards, 31 TDs (3.73 catches/game, 55.8 ypg, 0.41 TDs/game) Evans 90 games, 462 catches, 7260 yards, 48 TDs (5.13 catches/game, 80.7 ypg, 0.53 TDs/game) Beckham 75 games, 464 catches, 6511 yards, 48 TDs (6.19 catches/game, 86.9 ypg, 0.64 TDs/game) Cooks 88 games, 402 catches, 5730 yards, 34 TDs (4.57 catches/game, 65.11 ypg, 0.39 TDs/game) Benjamin 61 games, 209 catches, 3021 yards, 20 TDs (3.43 catches/game, 49.5 ypg, 0.33 TDs/game) Jarvis Landry 96 games, 564 catches, 6188 yards, 32 TDs (5.88 catches/game, 64.5 ypg, 0.33 TDs/game) Allen Robinson 72 games, 355 catches, 4749 yards, 33 TDs (4.93 catches/game, 66.0 ypg, 0.46 TDs/game) Davante Adams 86 games, 431 catches, 5194 yards, 44 TDs (5.01 catches/game, 60.4 ypg, 0.51 TDs/game) The Bills scouts whiffed on Sammy Watkins value at 4th overall. His production is closest to Kelvin Benjamin, who is out of the league now. Sammy Watkins (4th overall) has yet to have a single season better than Steve Johnson (7th Rounder) and has yet to have consecutive 1,000 yard seasons. Sammy Watkins is a #3 WR in this league. His time with the Rams showed he is a depth WR (<600 yards), not a primary, and the Chiefs have him slotted accordingly to where they never have to depend on him. He isn't close to a #1 WR.

It’s not hate, it’s facts. He has one 1,000 yard season (1,047) and has four straight seasons below 675 yards, three of those seasons are below 600 yards. He’s a #3 WR.

His Coach is Doug Marrone. Saint Doug, who has seen it all, done it all, knows it all. Playing for a fringe NFL organization, with a GM that has a 0.333 winning percentage. The guy was the 4th overall pick 3 years ago. Let Jacksonville hand him to you for pennies on the dollar. Stop worrying about working hard. That's what Beane and McDermott's amazing culture is for.

What’s more so disturbing about this is that Bills fans have been convinced over the years that at you need this perfect culture to win. That accumulating draft picks, having cap space, and a team that gets along is the goal. Winning games is the goal, and the Bills franchise has done far too little of that. We thumb our noses at Fournette, last year he put up better numbers than Fred Jackson’s best years here. He’s plenty good enough for our Bills, for a 4th Round pick? Freaking steal.

This is how the Bills get good. Doing the opposite of what they’ve always done, which is let their talent be pilfered by other teams. Take advantage of a dumb team handing away talent for next to nothing. That used to be the Bills. Pat Williams, nah we don’t need him, London Fletcher? He’s too old, Lynch, ehh he’s a problem, Jason Peters, he is lazy. A fourth round pick? It’s a no brainer for Fournette. Johnny White, Xavier Omon, Dwayne Wright - Other famous mid-round Bills picks.

Whitner was bad because it underscored how little understanding the Bills has about the league. In 2004, the Bills were Top 10 against the run because of Pat Williams. Then they let him go in FA and started Tim Anderson. They finished 2005 - 31st against the run. And instead of picking 340 pound Ngata, they pick Whitner and trade back to get a 3-Technique in McCargo because Jauron only knew his classic Tampa-2 defense which was outdated by league standards even then. After Pat Williams left, the Bills went about 9 straight years finishing 22nd or worse against the run. The Bills defensive line was manhandled in the Jauron and Gailey years. Not until Pettine did the Bills defense finally recover from the loss of Pat Williams and busts like McCargo and Troup. You go back and look, it’s guys like Spencer Johnson, Larry Triplett. In that stretch of years the Bills didn’t take a DT for 3-straight drafts despite being mauled.

Go for it. That’s a high first round RB and he has enough in the tank. Otherwise grab a mid-round rookie.

There are two trains of thought emerging in this thread. The literal worst player the Bills have picked in the first round since 2000, and the one that drastically altered the direction of the franchise. The worst literal player I agree with the OP, it was Flowers or Maybin. But Steve O is right, Graham over Wilson in the 3rd Round changed the fortunes for both franchises.

We'll see who is right on Tua. Gil Brandt compares Tua to Brees. Whereas, Cosell is not as high on Tua because he is a "system Quarterback" and he says Burrow is far and away the best QB prospect in the class.

I remember Nix laughing that the Bills were "riverboat gamblers" on the trade up from Graham. And he said later in the interview that they loved everything about Wilson but his height.

You look at the 2014 Draft - Literally pick anyone but Watkins and you would have hit. Aaron Donald, Beckham, Evans, Shazier, Barr, Lewan, Mosley, Zach Martin, literally 1/2 the 1st Round turned out to be Pro Bowl players. Nope it was Jacksonville (Bortles), Rams (Greg Robinson) and the Bills (Watkins) holding it down for the bust crowd.

It's nothing but softball questions. Brandon Beane holds a COVID-19 press conference and he's chomping at the bit to ask about continuity. That's an old Jauron holdover word. And the thing that bugs me the most about Chris Brown, is he tries to sell all of this to the fans. Listen to him on Sunday Morning Countdown, always picks the Bills. When Jauron was here, Chris Brown was the mouthpiece of "hard work, watching the tape, fixing the mistakes", with Chan it was "the whole league is switching to the 3-4" and being onboard when Nix was calling Fitzpatrick a Franchise QB, Doug Marrone was sold as a "dynamic, innovator", then Rex was going to give us the schematic advantage on defense, and now we love the detailed, no-nonsense approach of McDermott/Beane. Chris Brown spits out cliche after cliche that he has heard from Coaches over the years, but consistently has overrated the talent on the Bills roster compared to a realistic view across the entire league.

From Day One, the Bills had no plan for CJ Spiller. In 2010, he got 74 carries the entire season. Come 2011, he was averaging 3.3 combined rush and receiving touches per game before Fred Jackson got hurt. That's a year and a half where he was a bit player because of Chan Gailey. At one point the Bills were so desperate for WR's there was talk of moving Spiller there. Remember all the "get him in space" talks because the Coaches couldn't figure out anything else. He had the electric 2012, despite being chained into a ridiculous timeshare with Fred, and then it's like he got old and faded out. He had the 900 yard season, after in 2013, and then he was effectively done in the league.

The 2008 Draft was mind boggling it was so bad. McKelvin, James Hardy, Chris Ellis, Reggie Corner, Derek Fine, Alvin Bowen, Xavier Omon, Demetress Bell. At least the Bills got their #1 WR for three seasons: Steve Johnson in the 7th, and an ok corner in McKelvin. But not one of those other picks could play at all, not at all. Only to be rivaled by the 2010 Draft. Absolutely horrendous. Tom Modrak, a Jauron era holdover, still ran all the Scouting before being let go and it showed: Spiller, Troup, Carrington, Easley, Ed Wang, Arthur Moats, Danny Batten, Levi Brown and Kyle Calloway. All that draft capital spent on switch to the 3-4 defense that lasted 10 weeks before the Bills started talking about multiple fronts and switching back to the 4-3. And Moats played his best football for the Steelers.

Out of the recycled back ups that the Bills have tried to give the starting spot to over the years: Holcomb, Orton, Edwards, Fitzpatrick, Kolb, Tyrod was the best.

It’s a compelling case, especially because Khalil Mack from UB was there at #4 (I was screaming at the TV for him as the Bills picked, but knew they wouldn’t do it) and because obviously that draft was loaded with the best WR talent since the 2011 Jones/Green draft. So we missed out on Evans, Beckham, Cooks, Landry and so on. Sammy’s ribs, Sammy’s foot, Sammy getting caught from behind by a Jets corner on the way into the end zone, the EJ-Sammy pairing lasting 4 total games, just a disaster pick.