Straight Hucklebuck

I agree with all of this. Oliver was compared to a poor-man's Aaron Donald. He has proven to be nothing but a light-in-the-pants 280 pound DT that gets pushed around and gets a mop up/chase down sack every once in awhile. Edmunds = Sammy Watkins. Like Sammy Watkins with the Bills, we keep waiting for this explosion, it's not going to come. He gets by on size and athleticism, but he has no instincts. Wallace - That's fans hanging onto PFF ratings from 2 years ago. He's a 4.64 cornerback and he now is hurt. End of last year, hurt, this year now hurt.

I agree. He's a guy out there. We can talk about how young he is, how he looked one year ago, but he makes no plays.

The excuses are, as much as we laud Beane for the progress he has made on this roster, we don't have much elite level talent. So, against elite teams, we get exposed. - Quarterback - Allen misses throws. I wondered if Allen through 4 weeks was the permanent Allen, and its not, he's regressed back some towards 2019. He misses throws and will just chuck up prayers. - No Tight End. The Bills franchise has never had a quality tight end. We said it when Kroft was signed, he is a subpar NFL athlete, why are they paying him like this? Knox has turned out to be an injury plagued, raw project. - Our running backs are slow. Singletary is too slow to make big plays. If it's blocked perfectly, he has wiggle to make yards. Zach Moss looks too slow. - Our offensive line is mediocre. The Bills could have had DK Metcalf. Instead, we drafted Cody Ford and he stinks. Like the defensive line, it's a bunch of guys. Morse at Center stabilized that position. - Defensive Line - A bunch of guys. Epenesa needs a year in the weight room, he's too upright. Hughes is over 30, Murphy is over 30, Oliver makes zero difference. It's a bunch of guys. Not one real difference maker. - Linebacker is thin. Didn't draft a linebacker in 2020, and 2019 pick Vosean Joseph didn't pan out, Lorenzo Alexander retired. AJ Kline = Kawika Mitchell. - Cornerback - Josh Norman is done. Not an NFL player anymore. Too slow, too old, too limited to one scheme. Again, didn't draft one until the 7th Round and brought back the same bunch. And for as good of a name as Tre White is, he's made no impact plays. Last year the Bills got away with only keep 4 corners on the opening day roster because they stayed healthy and played a bunch of bad QBs. This year, White is not as good, Wallace is hurt, Gaines opted out, and you're left playing Josh Norman. - Safety - Quietly getting older, and again, Bills fans cling to them because of some PFF ratings 2 years ago, but no impact plays.

We said it at the Draft. Where they didn't draft one. And when Vosean Joseph doesn't work out, and Lorenzo Alexander retires, you're thin. The Bills have known that Lorenzo was going to retire and they addressed that with AJ Kline.

Way to go Washington. Another outdated Coach turning back to a garbage backup QB that he brought with him from the last place that fired him, throwing to a subpar set of skill position players. Gave Haskins all of 11-games in a dysfunctional organization. Great plan there, just like the Jets hanging Darnold out to dry.

Sullivan was on point for years and Bills fans were in complete denial. Up until Beane and McDermott, the organization was a run down Mom and Pop shop led by Ralph and Russ. Now everyone says see Sullivan was wrong, but they don’t talk about 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014 and so on when they were dead wrong about Edwards, Gailey, Nix, Whaley, EJ, Sammy and so on. When they talked about how close we were to winning, when they bought the Doug Marrone stock hook line and sinker.

I definitely make the call and find out what the cost is. Our 2nd and 3rd Round picks have been pedestrian for much of Bills history. But I don’t know that I go a 2nd. He’s under contract for 2020 and 2021 between $15M and $17.5M per, and there are cap restrictions likely next season. Our defensive line is average. Bottom line is, I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand like most of the fans on this board.

“Plays he wants back“

Nobody in their right mind watched that introductory press conference, and watched Gase and his space cadet eyes, and concluded the Jets could win anything. That was the strangest press conference I've ever seen.

Sure Gase doesn't seem like a great leader or coach, but how bad has their FO done in surrounding Darnold with talent? Their offense started 37-year old Frank Gore, Braxton Berrios, and Chris Hogan. That is worse than the 2017-2018 Bills with Benjamin, Kerley, Zay Jones, and McCoy/Tolbert. What are you going to win in the NFL with that? In addition to trying to build the rest of your team through FA - Bell, Mosley

His career numbers are closing in on Jim Kelly’s.

Except he’s not in college anymore. I think it’s reasonable to look at the situation and conclude he needs to work on his explosive output. 5.04 40’s and 17 reps is below average for a starting NFL DE. Didn’t say he wasn’t good, I gave my opinion as to why our 2nd Round pick hasn’t seen much of the field.

He needs a year in the weight room. A 5.02 40-yard, 17 reps on the bench and 32” vertical. He is a sub-par NFL athlete based on those testing metrics, so I think that’s where he needs to improve to get onto the field.

The 3rd quarter is still a problem for this team. They typically run 3 passive plays and punt for a couple of series. And that stalls the team for a whole quarter typically, the defense starts letting easy scores in.

Yes changed, listen to McDermott talk about offense when he first got here, his first OC choice, his obsession with old Panthers, to throwing all game and not sitting on leads, going for it on 4th downs now. He used to talk about a defense that held people to 17 points. McDermott has changed his offensive philosophy.

He has changed. When he came to Buffalo he talked about establishing a physical run game. Our OC was Rick Dennison. Signed guys like Mike Tolbert, Chris Ivory. Even last year Frank Gore, sucking up carries because of veteran leadership. In 2017-2018 the Bills WR group was deplorable, with Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, Andre Holmes, Jeremy Kerley, Jordan Matthews, Robert Foster became the defacto #1. But there have been changes in the offensive approach at OBD. The Bills finally drafted their own QB, instead of 10/11 years with backups - Edwards (3 years), Fitzpatrick (3 years), Orton (1 year), Tyrod (3 years). When Beane tried to trade for Antonio Brown, when McDermott watched his offense collapse in Houston, when Beane made the move for Diggs, the start of better skill players last year in Knox, Singletary, Beasley and Brown, and now FINALLY this year benching useless Lee "Blocking Tight End" Smith. McDermott hasn't always been like this, but yesterday when he talked in the postgame about not trying to win games 11-9, pulling all your hair out, I think has turned the corner in regards to seeing how the offense can make life easier for his defense, and frankly, how you aren't going to win anything without a top flight one. You aren't beating Mahomes and Jackson 17-14.

Got to give to Josh Allen and Beane’s swing with Diggs. Can not argue with 417 yards and 4 TDs, absolutely incredible performance.

I will say I was wrong and he is the NFL MVP. It’s disrespect to Mahomes who is playing at the highest level we’ve ever seen at QB. And my whole point on this thread was I like how our coaching staff is managing Allen. He needs boundaries, I don’t think he will be effective chucking deep balls. The blueprint is the Dallas Thanksgiving game.

Mahomes level. Now that is really laughable.

With who? John Brown is well understood at this point. He makes his hay underneath. Diggs stepped it up lasts season in terms of average, but he is not Desean Jackson. It’s not a bad thing, but the Bills haven’t attacked that way since Robert Foster two years ago. WGR loves to pin it on fans sticking with Allen’s pre-draft thumbnails too long, but it’s them who do it. How many times are we going to hear about Allen’s arm today? He’s not a vertical thrower at this level, and I don’t want an offense led by him to play that way. Our coaches figured that out after the 2018 season. The deep ball is not a big part of this offense. The coaches pay lip service to its importance. But watching the games reveals the real story.

There is this notion on WGR that if your throwing it means you’re aggressive. Jeremy White just said this coaching staff trusts Allen more than anyone. I think the opposite. I think last year was the start of how this coaching staff wants to manage and structure the offense. Shorter throws, quicker releases, WRs that win off the line. Last year a constant theme on the radio was Allen is going to break out the deep ball at any minute, and they mentioned it again this morning. There is no deep ball. It’s high percentage passes. An occasional intermediate throw. They have put a structured offense around Allen, that has more passing in it then we have been accustomed to in ours years of socially conditioning to accept a run-first offense. So it looks much more aggressive. But they know Allen isn’t a sandlot QB in this league. He’s not going to play that way. Heaving passes 50 yards down the field.

The Panthers were completely one dimensional last year because McCaffrey became the offensive crutch. Their QB used him as a dump off option constantly and he dominated touches. Everyone else stagnated offensively. They stopped trying to push the ball down the field.

It’s 2020, the Bills are doing exactly what they need to. Investing in cheap, cost controlled mid-rounders and starting to utilize the screen pass more. The last thing we need to do is devote more time and energy to “establish the run”. Look at Seattle when they finally took the chains off Russell Wilson.

This is what you have to live with when you go with rookie kickers. You have to eat the inconsistency early to get to a place where they are reliable. He was pushing everything right.

I think this is half true. Yes the defense is good, McDermott, Frazier and Beane have identified a scheme and players that clamp down, especially through the air. Yes, Daboll calling 46 pass plays gets the Bills into modern NFL football. I think what you are seeing is that there is a bar of expectation for this team now. Allen was good yesterday. But two fumbles, missing Brown in the endzone, underthrowing Beasley, means it wasn't perfect, and I think the "negative" fans you are hearing, know that the Bills team that showed up Sunday, is not going to be good enough to beat the Chiefs or Ravens, and ultimately we all know that's where you want to be to win a Super Bowl. So it's not hey it's just the Jets, I'm not impressed. But it is, an eye towards the end of the season and how do the Bills avoid collapses like Houston last year.