Rochesterfan

Here is the difference - the NFL has been consistent in this - Ravens are not being given gift and Denver not being screwed. Sorry.

Not sure I agree with this - Denver will be missing their QBs, but pretty much back to normal by next week. The Ravens will be missing 15-20 players when they play Steelers and as some of their players tested positive this weekend - may not be available for next weeks game either. Lamar could miss 2 games if he does not clear in time.

This Hap is the only reason I could see them moving the game - if the medical team feels there was risk of exposure from the guys on Thursday and Friday. I think they are lumping them in a very low risk group and feel they are safe, but they have been wrong before - we will see.

No - I am saying the NFL has been consistent in their approach on this. If you have a contained infection they are not moving a game. If you have an un-contained spread going on - they have to move the game until such a point as they have the spread contained and then can play. The protocol states they will not adjust games for competitive reasons - only medical reasons (meaning the spread is still active). Then the NFL is going in and punishing those teams with big fines and loss of draft picks. So if Denver had an incentive to infect more guys - how does it help? If we move the NO/Denver game to Tuesday like the Steelers/Raven game - what impact does that have? The QBs would still not be cleared and they do not have time to bring in new players per the protocol. A move just puts more eyes on the game. Why should Denver get games moved because of this - every other team has had to play through the exact situation Denver is facing. The Bills did it with both the Knox instance and the Norman incident. Every team has had limited spread and guys miss games and had to play and Denver is being treated exactly the same. Three teams have had games moved because their is an unknown number of players actively infected within the team and they need a minimum 4-5 days of negatives to help ensure they have caught everyone. The Titans, NE, and now the Ravens all had potential infections going on and that precluded the team from being able to do anything. In the end for NE and the most likely for the Ravens - the games will be played with guys missing once they were sure about the spread being contained. The Titans were the first issue and they were definitely given a huge advantage because they completely moved their Pittsburgh game and then gave extra time on Bills week and that allowed some of their initial spread players to come back. That was wrong, but they were trying to do things right - so I get it and the NFL wanted to make everything as Normal as possible. Now if you think that means Denver should have gone out and tried to get more positive to get their game postponed - I submit that means they would of had to know a minimum of 4-5 days ahead of time - so they would of needed to start trying to spread the illness on Tuesday at the latest before they even knew Driscoll was positive. They also then risk what the Titans and Ravens learned - it spreads easily and is hard to contain once started. With an old coach with health issues - that suggestion could lead to serious repercussions both physically and then once the NFL gets involved - financially and potentially loss of draft picks could impact the team down the road.

If it makes sense to you - then you are wrong sorry. Review how the NFL has handled every situation that has occurred like the Broncos and explain why they should get preferential treatment when the every other team in that situation has been treated the same way.

So if they move it back where are you moving it to? A new QB coming in would potentially be cleared Thursday of next week and the contact QBs on COVID should technically be cleared by Wednesday or Thursday. So if they push the game back to let’s say next Thursday for Denver/NO - that means they also would have to move the two teams next games back to a least Tuesday the following week. Not to mention - this would breach the protocol used throughout the season so far - where every other team dealing is isolated breakouts had to play. It makes no sense - they are following exactly what they have done - Denver should play without their missing players just like everyone else.

Why? To sign anyone they need a minimum of 5 days to even bring them into the facility - Are you pushing this game back to next Friday? The current QBs as close contacts only will test negative and meet the requirements to play before the Broncos could get another QB into the facility. The point has been they are not moving games because of competition issue - only medical issues and the Broncos do not have that as of now.

Why do you think they will ignore this? The Titans got fined, the Raiders got hit big time. Neither happened immediately as the investigation and infection was ongoing. My guess is once the Ravens game is set and the league can go back and review everything that happens - there will be huge fines, discipline for coaches, GMs, and the owner, and most likely the loss of draft picks. The forfeit of a game will be a last step and only used in an extreme situation where nothing else can be done. My guess is much like the Titans game - they will keep pushing to get it played, but if more players come back positive that will be the final step if they can’t push the game back further.

Hapless - absent some additional information coming out - the Denver issue seems to be different than others based upon the delay in identifying contacts and “film” review the NFL used - I think these are related. My guess and it is only a guess, but based upon how the league has handled this situation: The positive came back on Thursday and the devices did not list any contacts and the discussed contact tracing (if they had followed stated protocol) was done and nothing was noted. Standard and works just like how it happened with the Bills. The league then begins reviews the film from the facility (most likely on Friday or Saturday morning) and notes that the QBs in question had the meeting but they did not wear masks as was stipulated in the protocol. That fact then changes the contact tracing because now even though the time was less than would be considered a contact by the device - because it was inside with no masks (against protocol) they move them into the positive close contact situation (they are still most likely a very low risk for infection, but that would explain the change at the later date). As low risk contacts - they most likely are also now reviewing other potential contacts and may have determined none exist and as they are low risk: the medical information says everyone else should be fine and medical clearance is set to play. That would be my take. I think if Denver had properly followed protocol and masked during the meeting - the other QBs never get popped and there is no issue. They either went without masks or took them off for a period of time and that changes the timing set on the device to identify close contacts.

I don’t get this - this is exactly consistent with how they have been handling these throughout the season. We had Knox knock out the TE group and we had Norman knock out half the DBs. The only difference is this is QBs and this is why some teams took extra precautions with the QB by having one Quarantined. Titans and Ravens have games moved when there are additional positive cases spreading within the team - not a single player or two with identified contacts.

Tell what to Denver? The Denver situation is similar to our Knox and Norman situation. They had a positive, identified contacts and are sitting them as contacts. There is not rampant positives still coming from the team like the Ravens. It has been consistent even if you don’t like it.

Nope - as has been stated multiple times in this thread - after the trade deadline every player released must clear waivers.

With Patricia now gone - we have 1 of the 3, but I expect McCarthy to be back unless something happens with Kellen Moore (that is who I expect to be the next Dallas HC). I think they let McCarthy have 1 more year and then pull the plug no matter what. Gase is interesting as the owners like him and he picked the GM. Joe Douglas has some other people he knows, but I would not be shocked if Gase gets another year or until Philly pulls the plug on Doug Pederson.

I will wait on the Jets. The owners likes Gase and Gase picked the GM. I am not convinced that they move on from Gase at the end of the year. I think they allow the GM and Gase to decide on the roster for next year. The Jets hate having a lot of term on the contract when eliminating coaches and paying 2 guys at the same time. They should move on, but I am not sure they do. I think they want the GM and HC to get the next QB.

They can do this easily this week because the Baltimore/Dallas Thursday game is already cancelled. Therefore it really has little impact on teams. If they think this will help to stop the spread (as they recognize the issue in Baltimore was allowing the 2 walk throughs on Monday and Tuesday) - I would watch for the next shoe to drop - rescheduled Thursday night games to Sunday or Monday and continuing having 2 no contact days for teams to stop or lessen internal spread. They recognize it is going to get worse before the end of the season and are making more aggressive changes to get through the last few games.

Doesn’t matter - they have already said it will not be fair - it is no different that the Bills Titans and the NFL figured out how to make it work. They are not going to Forfeit if it can be helped. They just are not going to do it. It sucked for the Bills and it will suck for the Steelers and may end up costing them home field, but it is the season they are going to have to live with. Additionally - now prior to the game they will have 9 days off - yes they have to figure in practices, but like the Bills during that Titan week - the coaches are giving guys time off - so they should be rested.

We will see, but the NFL has always said a forfeit is the last/worst case scenario. They are not going to use a forfeit while they can still figure out ways to make it work or for games that will impact the playoffs. My guess is as we approach the last couple of weeks if set of teams out of the playoffs have this happen - they might use a forfeit or a straight cancellation, but as they showed with the Titans - they are not going to do that unless there is nothing else they can do. We will see what the punishment for the team is at the end of this as they admitted fault already. The interesting part is the NFL allowed the Monday and Tuesday walkthroughs and that expanded the issue - so that is not a Ravens issue - that was a flaw created by the Thursday game.

They have already admitted that a coach did not follow protocol. They admitted this was caused internally and disciplined the coach. The internal spread was caused because they allowed 2 walkthroughs to try to get ready for the Thursday game. A normal week and no one comes to the stadium Monday and limited on Tuesday and the spread would have been easier to control. They and the NFL recognize what caused this and now have to determine how to fix it and maintain the season. These takes are just flat out terrible. The change in date has nothing to do with Lamar and in reality if they had played last evening as they should Lamar’s results may have been delayed. Moving the date back makes it more likely that more people test positive and miss the game. They need to allow 4-5 days from the exposures Monday and Tuesday to catch the people infected on site during the walk through. That means that Sunday was going to be the first day where if everyone tests negative they could think about getting together. That is why the Ravens have closed their facility until Monday. They will meet remotely, but the players can not get together until Monday. This is exactly what the league needs to do in this situation and is exactly what was expected when the outbreak occurred. The League is not suddenly Favoring the Ravens - most of these players including Lamar will still not be cleared by Tuesday to play and there is a chance even more people become positive.

That is exactly what I am expecting. A Tuesday/Wednesday game this week and push back their games next week to Monday/Tuesday to fit it in. My guess is Tuesday this week and Pittsburgh/WFT next Monday and Dallas/Baltimore on Tuesday because then Baltimore has a Monday night the following week. I imagine like the Tennessee game - they are going to find a way to fit it in.

I think for an average person - your doctor is correct - they tend to trim because we are not abusing the knee to the level an athlete does. For NFL players they typically review options and make a decision based on how long they expect the player to play and how bad the tear is. If they can repair - most doctors think that is the better option because there is a good chance later in the career this is going to happen again and you want to maintain as much of the meniscus as possible for as long as possible.

I believe 3-4 weeks is if they scope and remove part of the meniscus. It sounds more likely they are doing a full meniscus repair/recover attempt rather than a removal and therefore the recovery is typically 3-4 months. The repair/recovery is the better long term option, but many players in season opt for a partial removal to allow them to get back out there. Not sure what all went into the decision.

He still could not get on the field for most teams in the NFL - including this one. He is on a team in Washington with a QB that utilizes the TE a ton. Smith went an entire year basically throwing all his TDs and a good percentage of completions to TEs - so I am not surprised at all. Add to that - WFT’s lack of talent at WR and the TEs become even more relevant. I prefer to see the Bills utilizing the WRs as the main receiving weapons and they use the TEs as H-Back/Blocking backs to help pick up blitzes and protect Allen. I would imagine here - he would not beat out Knox or Kroft and would probably be behind Smith due to his blocking. I am happy for him, but I do not confuse the numbers he is putting up in that system with thinking he could do something here.

This is just terrible and then for the Cowboys to come out on Thanksgiving and lay a stinker out there - just crazy. I actually thought maybe some guys like Elliot that seemed to really love Markus - I thought he might explode and have a monster game, but they just seemed defeated. It breaks my heart 😥

Why - the Titans screwed up 2 of our games and the Pittsburgh game and the NFL did not force a forfeit. Move the game to Tuesday/Wednesday and then move back Pittsburgh/Baltimore’s next game to Monday/Tuesday if needed. I thought the Titans should of forfeited against us, but if they can jerk around multiple teams and play on weird nights for the Bills earlier then they can do it here also - get the game in. I will be interested to see because this is the work of 1 bad coach and just spreading within the team from that. The Titans was a coach and a PS player that had not been cleared, but the real harm was when the team did not follow protocol and practiced together outside the facility. To me that situation warranted a forfeit way before this one.

Ok, but it might take me a couple of hours to get there. After that I will have dinner - thanks for the invite even with COVID. LOL. 😂