Rochesterfan

You are rarely happy when the Bills win - so get over it - you can go root for your actual team and go to their message board. Give them a pass - I am sure the Bills are grateful that you chose to give them a pass after beating the Chargers by their biggest margin of the season, holding the Chargers to their lowest scoring output since week 3, out coaching and out performing them, and once again winning the game and beating the Vegas odds. Glad you are hear to give them that pass.

Really? Didn’t Houston win a playoff game last year after being totally outplayed for 3 quarters? It happens every year. Teams get outplayed and find a way to win. Sometimes luck - sometimes skill, but the win counts. Hell KC was dominated by Houston for over a quarter and had a 21-0 lead. They came back. Even look at the KC/TB game yesterday. KC had a huge lead and record setting pace and then gets outplayed the rest of the game and let TB get back into. 2 questionable calls took away 2 Ints or TB wins that game. Yet you sit here and expect KC to win in the playoffs.

If he test positive on Sunday - he is pulled out - the league then has to decide on contacts and who to pull. If the team travelled to the stadium (or in the case of NE earlier the positive was on a Saturday). The league will look and potentially move a game back a few days so the team does not get on a plane together or they can identify any additional positives. when that team is home a positive on Saturday or Sunday has meant that player and his contacts go on the Covid list and the game is played as scheduled. The NFL did not screw Denver - they followed the exact same scenario planning and guidance they used every time this situation has come up. The difference is instead of a TE or DB grouping it was QBs. I feel for Denver as it sucked, but they - not the NFL - decided to get together and eat lunch and meet without masks. If they had followed protocols (which is why they are in place) the players would not have been considered close contacts and would have played. Don’t blame the NFL for Denver’s issues. This was on them.

The Ravens game was moved only because on Thursday the still had active infections popping up because of the broken protocols. They moved it to Sunday, but the positive infections had not stopped yet - so they had to move it again. Now that the infections have stopped - the game will be played and the Ravens will be missing 8-15 players from their roster and may not be able to suit up enough guys to fill the entire active day roster. The Broncos (as has been talked about several times) had a single player test positive from an external source. Just like the Bills did with Knox earlier and Norman 2 weeks ago). On initial review of the monitoring data - no one was deemed a close contact and practice continued. The NFL then began a review of facility cameras and discovered that the QBs all got together inside (against protocol) for a meeting and lunch (without masks) that was not recorded on the devices (against protocol again). On reviewing the length of time, the fact that masks were not worn, that they meet inside - the league deemed them close contacts and put them on the Covid list. It is no different than when Knox took out our TE group or Norman took out multiple DBs. The NFL has stated several times - a competitive disadvantage will not cause the game to move - only a medical reason (ie and active infection). My guess is if the Bronco game had been scheduled for Thursday night - with the active infected player caught that day - the game may have been moved to Sunday to ensure there was no other positives. Since the game was already scheduled for Sunday and they had no positives Friday or Saturday- they felt safe playing the game from a medical perspective. The fault lies with the Broncos totally on this and after the review - I expect the Broncos will also be fined and as this is their 2nd broken protocol - would not be surprised to see a mid round pick go bye bye.

Not sure this is correct. My guess is DE will rotate based on QB style. Epenesa has been valuable against athletic QBs as a way to help prevent certain plays. Mullins next week is more of a pocket passer - would not be surprised to see Murphy against SF and probably Pittsburgh. They are matching styles and play on defense with specific players to help out - similar to what the offense is doing with TE and gameplans.

The team got fined over $300,000 - not exactly a slap. Coaches also got fined. The Raiders, the Pats, the Broncos have all also been fined. The Ravens and the Broncos are going to get hit and I expect loss of draft picks also.

I have no issue with any of that. I also have no issue with what the NFL is doing as that is consistent with what they have previously done for this situation. My problem with the Broncos is not being smarter with the QB situation and then whatever happened in the meeting. It seems obvious that if the QBs had worn masks the contract tracing would have excluded them, but the lack of masks (not following protocol for meetings) caused the issue and that was found on film.

The Titans organization was fined over $ 350,000 for their issues. The Raiders were fined big time (coach, GM, and Team) and lost draft picks. NE and the Steelers were both fined large sums. All done after the schedules were set and the NFL investigated the teams. The Ravens punishment will come after the NFL investigates and determines the extent of the issues and the breaches. I am expecting a big fine for both the coach and the team and a loss of draft picks. Just like what has been prescribed. So again I will ask (and I do not expect a valid response) - when do you move the Broncos game to - you seem to refuse to answer that. How does delaying the game help - the QBs will not be available until later in the week next week and you need 5 days to bring in someone else. What is your proposal to get this game in and be fair to all the teams that have already been through this exact situation? That could be - they officially went on the COVID list on Saturday. If they use Saturday - the earliest back would be next Thursday. If they base it on the exposure date - you are correct they could be ready on Monday and then a Tuesday game would allow them to play. The issue with that is then they screwed every other team that has had to play short-handed due to COVID and makes a new precedent that other teams will complain about.

So no real answer - exactly what I would expect. As to punishment- teams have been punished - the Ravens punishment will come, but that is outside of the discussion. You complained the NFL was unfair - I provided evidence they were being consistent - where is your plan - just stating over and over that it is unfair does not make it so - show us - explain your side. We are all waiting for your next avoidance.

So smart guy - what should the NFL of done? You are snarky about it being unfair - rather than just complain and call us Kool-Aid drinkers actually present some ideas. I want to understand how you think the NFL should handle this and still be consistent with what they have been doing? Good Luck!

Few words to show you truly don’t understand - your loss. I will try to let other explain.

Here is the difference - the NFL has been consistent in this - Ravens are not being given gift and Denver not being screwed. Sorry.

Not sure I agree with this - Denver will be missing their QBs, but pretty much back to normal by next week. The Ravens will be missing 15-20 players when they play Steelers and as some of their players tested positive this weekend - may not be available for next weeks game either. Lamar could miss 2 games if he does not clear in time.

This Hap is the only reason I could see them moving the game - if the medical team feels there was risk of exposure from the guys on Thursday and Friday. I think they are lumping them in a very low risk group and feel they are safe, but they have been wrong before - we will see.

No - I am saying the NFL has been consistent in their approach on this. If you have a contained infection they are not moving a game. If you have an un-contained spread going on - they have to move the game until such a point as they have the spread contained and then can play. The protocol states they will not adjust games for competitive reasons - only medical reasons (meaning the spread is still active). Then the NFL is going in and punishing those teams with big fines and loss of draft picks. So if Denver had an incentive to infect more guys - how does it help? If we move the NO/Denver game to Tuesday like the Steelers/Raven game - what impact does that have? The QBs would still not be cleared and they do not have time to bring in new players per the protocol. A move just puts more eyes on the game. Why should Denver get games moved because of this - every other team has had to play through the exact situation Denver is facing. The Bills did it with both the Knox instance and the Norman incident. Every team has had limited spread and guys miss games and had to play and Denver is being treated exactly the same. Three teams have had games moved because their is an unknown number of players actively infected within the team and they need a minimum 4-5 days of negatives to help ensure they have caught everyone. The Titans, NE, and now the Ravens all had potential infections going on and that precluded the team from being able to do anything. In the end for NE and the most likely for the Ravens - the games will be played with guys missing once they were sure about the spread being contained. The Titans were the first issue and they were definitely given a huge advantage because they completely moved their Pittsburgh game and then gave extra time on Bills week and that allowed some of their initial spread players to come back. That was wrong, but they were trying to do things right - so I get it and the NFL wanted to make everything as Normal as possible. Now if you think that means Denver should have gone out and tried to get more positive to get their game postponed - I submit that means they would of had to know a minimum of 4-5 days ahead of time - so they would of needed to start trying to spread the illness on Tuesday at the latest before they even knew Driscoll was positive. They also then risk what the Titans and Ravens learned - it spreads easily and is hard to contain once started. With an old coach with health issues - that suggestion could lead to serious repercussions both physically and then once the NFL gets involved - financially and potentially loss of draft picks could impact the team down the road.

If it makes sense to you - then you are wrong sorry. Review how the NFL has handled every situation that has occurred like the Broncos and explain why they should get preferential treatment when the every other team in that situation has been treated the same way.

So if they move it back where are you moving it to? A new QB coming in would potentially be cleared Thursday of next week and the contact QBs on COVID should technically be cleared by Wednesday or Thursday. So if they push the game back to let’s say next Thursday for Denver/NO - that means they also would have to move the two teams next games back to a least Tuesday the following week. Not to mention - this would breach the protocol used throughout the season so far - where every other team dealing is isolated breakouts had to play. It makes no sense - they are following exactly what they have done - Denver should play without their missing players just like everyone else.

Why? To sign anyone they need a minimum of 5 days to even bring them into the facility - Are you pushing this game back to next Friday? The current QBs as close contacts only will test negative and meet the requirements to play before the Broncos could get another QB into the facility. The point has been they are not moving games because of competition issue - only medical issues and the Broncos do not have that as of now.

Why do you think they will ignore this? The Titans got fined, the Raiders got hit big time. Neither happened immediately as the investigation and infection was ongoing. My guess is once the Ravens game is set and the league can go back and review everything that happens - there will be huge fines, discipline for coaches, GMs, and the owner, and most likely the loss of draft picks. The forfeit of a game will be a last step and only used in an extreme situation where nothing else can be done. My guess is much like the Titans game - they will keep pushing to get it played, but if more players come back positive that will be the final step if they can’t push the game back further.

Hapless - absent some additional information coming out - the Denver issue seems to be different than others based upon the delay in identifying contacts and “film” review the NFL used - I think these are related. My guess and it is only a guess, but based upon how the league has handled this situation: The positive came back on Thursday and the devices did not list any contacts and the discussed contact tracing (if they had followed stated protocol) was done and nothing was noted. Standard and works just like how it happened with the Bills. The league then begins reviews the film from the facility (most likely on Friday or Saturday morning) and notes that the QBs in question had the meeting but they did not wear masks as was stipulated in the protocol. That fact then changes the contact tracing because now even though the time was less than would be considered a contact by the device - because it was inside with no masks (against protocol) they move them into the positive close contact situation (they are still most likely a very low risk for infection, but that would explain the change at the later date). As low risk contacts - they most likely are also now reviewing other potential contacts and may have determined none exist and as they are low risk: the medical information says everyone else should be fine and medical clearance is set to play. That would be my take. I think if Denver had properly followed protocol and masked during the meeting - the other QBs never get popped and there is no issue. They either went without masks or took them off for a period of time and that changes the timing set on the device to identify close contacts.

I don’t get this - this is exactly consistent with how they have been handling these throughout the season. We had Knox knock out the TE group and we had Norman knock out half the DBs. The only difference is this is QBs and this is why some teams took extra precautions with the QB by having one Quarantined. Titans and Ravens have games moved when there are additional positive cases spreading within the team - not a single player or two with identified contacts.

Tell what to Denver? The Denver situation is similar to our Knox and Norman situation. They had a positive, identified contacts and are sitting them as contacts. There is not rampant positives still coming from the team like the Ravens. It has been consistent even if you don’t like it.

Nope - as has been stated multiple times in this thread - after the trade deadline every player released must clear waivers.

With Patricia now gone - we have 1 of the 3, but I expect McCarthy to be back unless something happens with Kellen Moore (that is who I expect to be the next Dallas HC). I think they let McCarthy have 1 more year and then pull the plug no matter what. Gase is interesting as the owners like him and he picked the GM. Joe Douglas has some other people he knows, but I would not be shocked if Gase gets another year or until Philly pulls the plug on Doug Pederson.

I will wait on the Jets. The owners likes Gase and Gase picked the GM. I am not convinced that they move on from Gase at the end of the year. I think they allow the GM and Gase to decide on the roster for next year. The Jets hate having a lot of term on the contract when eliminating coaches and paying 2 guys at the same time. They should move on, but I am not sure they do. I think they want the GM and HC to get the next QB.