Rochesterfan

He got hired the same way Rex Ryan got hired in Buffalo after taking over a Jets team with talent and running that talent away. Teams are looking for a particular skill set and sometimes these retreads happen to fit exactly the niche’ that you want. The Bills wanted a larger than life presence at coach after having Marrone there. The Jets wanted an offensive leader to replace their defensive HC. Both teams got what they deserved in those signings - you ignore the obvious (rumors of Rex not putting in the time near the end of the Jets days and players wanting badly to get away from Gase) and the fact the the record got worse and worse. You focus on well they started off great - it will be better here. I will take it a step further - there were several people on this board (I am sure we can find the threads) that felt Gase was a better HC than McDermott based upon his Miami win percentage and beating NE (which seems to be something Miami was blessed with). It was not just owners fooled, but certain fans were tricked by Gase (and honestly Rex here) and it will happen again. Teams line up and clamor for these retreads and expect something different the second time through. It takes a very self aware person to change and adjust to become successful the next time through and most of these guys just aren’t that way.

I am watching it on the NFL app using my direct tv log in. no issues

It was definitely intentional - not sure the reason or if there was a reason, but he knew he was there and was spinning right at him for a purpose. I don’t know that it means anything more that just a F you - you guys are not stopping me or if something else was going on.

Yes, but the Raiders had already done that and beat KC on the year. The difference in the Raiders game versus the Bills game - was Reid decided to stay with the run against Buffalo. The Raiders played passive defense and clock control and kept the game close and won (almost did it a second time). The Bills did the same thing and were in the game to the end. The fumble was the exact play they needed to win that game and by a split second a knee goes down. Heck even TB figured it out when the switched after the first quarter from and aggressive defensive to a more passive shell and shut KC down for the final 3 quarters and nearly won the game. Teams out defense good/elite offenses all of the time - the outcome is just different. You are not holding them to 3 points for a game, but if you force them to try and be methodical and run more than pass - you increase the likelihood you can win the game. There are many ways to win, but the most important is complementary play between your offense and Defense. As @GunnerBill said the defensive game plan was not bad (they needed to make a few plays at key times), but to me the lack of offense that game was the issue. If you are going to play a conservative defensive scheme - you need to balance that with a ball control offense and points. The running game was blah, but Josh also struggled on short passes to keep drives alive. Better offense forces KC to open up and that plays into the scheme you were running on defense.

That is the one piece of the article I did not like or maybe “get” is a better phrasing. They state that the two can not really work together because at both of their ages and what they have done - they are not changing. I don’t really see it that way - I think both guys have adapted at least to a degree. I think Arians gives Brady more say in what to run than any QB he has worked with (it was a big issue in Pittsburgh) and I think Brady is holding the ball longer and trying (sometimes successfully) to throw downfield and outside the numbers more. I actually think both guys are moving toward the middle - I am just not sure that is a good fit for the team. What I wish (and I think Coach Tuesday alluded to this) is to understand what drove this article. Is this Brady’s team reaching out and pushing this idea and there is something actually there - a rift/disagreement that is starting to boil over as Brady gets pile-driven into the turf - time and again. Or is this a guy that knows Brady well and just speculating and really there is little to this long term. I don’t expect the Bucs to change either spot in the off-season unless they feel they are going to lose someone they want to promote long term. I think this is a 2 year trial and the results are still TBD.

I think they blame Arians for the sequence of plays called not the result of the calls. In NE - the calls right after the 2 minute warning would have gone run/short pass (like the 1 yarder to Brown) to get the clock moving. That forces the Rams to decide on a strategy call a time out or not. That then sets up the rest of that drive. If the Rams call timeout - then NE gets more aggressive and if they let the clock run down then NE will slow play until you get under a minute. NE would attack, but most plays would be shorter, high percentage plays to keep the clock moving until it gets under a minute where then you start to attack mid level and sidelines. Arians attacked down the field with a low percentage throw for Brady and put them behind the sticks. One thing Brady has struggled with (just like most other QBs) is when you get behind the sticks (2nd and 3rd and long) and you get pressure it makes it harder to be successful. That first down deep pass made it harder for Brady to get the First Down and stopped the clock. In the end Brady did not execute the plays, but the choice of plays did not fit the wheelhouse (or the philosophy) of Brady.

Very interesting and not real surprising. They were never a good fit philosophically and I think bringing in all of Brady’s old teammates (Gronk,/Brown) add to the struggle. They tend to fit what Brady does well - whereas Mike Evans is not that style receiver. He is down the sideline outside the hash receiver. I hope they fail together for another little bit.

If fired my guess is he is the next HC of the Jets. I think that is who Joe Douglas wants and if the Eagles don’t fire him - I still think they keep Gase until the Eagles pull the trigger.

I am not sure what to say. The negotiations for that are done. The players are not accepting less. The owners knew it was going to be bad. They expected the cap to drop into the 150 million range and that was with stadiums opening more later in the year. They haven’t and others have closed more. The NFL and NFLPA agreed to set a minimum at 175 million and any additional loss below that was going to be spread out over the next 3 years. The 175 million gave GMs something to plan for in giving out contracts and structure. It is part of the reason teams are looking to roll money and it is why a team like the Jets think they might turn it around as they will have a ton of space to pick up guys that are cut around the league.

This is already done and agreed to prior to this year starting. The salary cap was set with a minimum of 175 million to prevent a huge drop, but the expectation is once done and calculated- the future salary cap over the next 3 years will have to absorb another 20+ million in lost revenue for 2020. The only advantage is the upcoming TV contract that will cause a healthy increase in the cap. It is just going to take awhile to totally sort out after this years fiasco.

The discussion we are having is about the schedule and why the Broncos did not get their game moved. They do not state what the punishment will be because that has to be determined by the NFL and the NFLPA after the fact. The NFL has stated it is a moving target on punishment. The Titans had a major outbreak and were fined $350,000 as an organization - along with coaching and GM fines. The NFL then updated the protocol and gave fines to the Broncos and the Pats. They also reviewed several issues with the Raiders and gave multiple fines to the team for multiple issues along with a draft pick loss. We will see how the Broncos are punished as a 2x offender and how the Ravens are punished, but those are not consistent. The NFL never said the punishment would be consistent - it depends upon what a systemic review by the NFL and NFLPA finds. There is no - oh you had 1 case and he was masked so $50 fine if that is what you are looking for.

Once again - you show you have no knowledge, but way to give a crap analogy. Bravo. 👏

The thing is Denver did not do the right thing - if they had done the right thing only Driscoll would have missed the game. The NFL has given them enhanced rules about no meeting inside, all food prepared must be taken out, masking during practice and workouts, limits on player gatherings, etc. The Broncos broke multiple protocols by the QBs having a meeting inside, eating together, and not wearing masks. The initial review of the contact data showed Driscoll had no close contacts and therefore the other QBs would have been fine. The NFL reviewed film from the facility because coaches and players have removed their devices in past reviews and that caused problems. On film review they found the QB meeting without masks and inside the building, the health and safety officer deemed this meeting to be high risk as it was inside and maskless and more than 20 minutes and therefore put them on COVID. It is not hard - follow the rules they would have been fine - break the rules explain why they should get preferential treatment that no other team gets?

The NFL and NFLPA has already said the league does not have the authority to suspend or fine the players for COVID related breaches. Only the individual teams can fine or suspend. The NFLPA agreed to that because they knew the teams would not want to tick off their own players and therefore fines and suspension will be limited or non-existent. The NFL has the ability to fine (or even suspend) coaches, front office staff, owners, and the team. They also have the ability to take away draft picks. So far they have used both options to punish various teams like the Titans, Denver, NE, and the Raiders. Denver is being investigated for the QB situation and the Ravens will get hammered, but only the team can come down on the players. What I really do not get is people constantly complain about the NFL being inconsistent and the one time they published how they are going to treat these and have been about as consistent as possible and people complain and want them to be inconsistent. They have repeatedly stated they will postpone and move games for medical reasons only (to stop the internal spread of the virus). They will not move games for competitive reasons (ie your QBs all get infected). The individual teams and the NFL protocol is designed to limit these contacts and try to minimize the competitive disadvantage. Teams were recommended to think about things like isolating a QB that has very limited contact, splitting up squads/PS practice time and work out time to eliminate entire groups being quarantined at once. At this point most teams have gone through what Denver went through, Buffalo lost their TEs, they also lost several DBs with Norman, NE lost several defensive players with Gilmore and lost Cam for a game, etc. The difference is Denver’s QBs purposely did not follow protocol by having an unauthorized inside meeting/lunch with no masks. That was 100% on the Denver QBs and against protocol. The NFL deemed them close contacts and wham they are out. I do not blame the NFL - I blame Denver and since the NFL is being consistent I have no issues with what happened. I agree it does suck that teams that have a massive outbreak have the ability to get some players back, but that was part of the agreement with the players Union. Players miss games based upon testing and the protocol - not for breaches.

My scenario- your scenario has occurred twice and both times the teams had significant numbers of players missing - so the delay did not allow everyone back. The big difference with the Titans was that were able to shift a bye week which did allow some players to get back. Bye weeks are gone - these theses are going to be missing a ton of players. The Ravens will be missing 15 players including their QB, top RBs, and a huge group of DBs. You can ask, but my guess is the Ravens would of preferred a Denver situation with just missing your QB as some of these players may miss more than 1 game. But please feel free to believe your thought that a ravaged team is better off because they could delay a game a day or 2.

Or they will force a team to play without 14 starters and top back-ups. Plus the team, coaches and FO will be heavily fined and you will lose draft picks, but ok sounds like a plan. The NFL could not mandate that - need NFLPA approval and that was not given. Same with people complaining about bubbles and additional bye weeks. All were rejected by the NFLPA without compensation.

They are not pushing to the end of the year. My guess is they play Wednesday and then the following Monday and then our game as scheduled. They could also do have a Monday night double header Bills/Steelers & Ravens/Browns and let NBC and then ESPN show the games. My guess is NBC would not be happy, but they will get the games in.

Wait this is “un possible”. I already read on this board that McDermott is not a good coach and can’t compete with the McVay, Tomlin, and Meathead coaches of other teams. I read that McDermott can’t inspire a team to go out and win. Josh Allen makes way to many mistakes and the team lets everyone just hang around so they can’t win playoff games. They have had 4 games come down to the last possession unlike teams like KC that have only had 4 games come down to the last possession. (head smacked here) They don’t blow people out and therefore are not prepared for a close game in the playoffs. They don’t step on the throat of their opponents and the Bills let them come back unlike say KC that once up by 17 early in a game would never allow a team to close it down to 3 points at the end. I am sure there are several others posted by the same 3 people over and over why you can’t be right. *Sarcasm Off

They have to get buy in from the NFLPA and they blocked it earlier in the year. My guess is they would agree for more money, but with the league losing a boatload - I just do not see it.

Not surprising with the NFL postponing their practice today to keep the facility closed. This is going to impact games next week to - sort of what I thought might happen earlier. I could see a Wednesday game with them pushing back both teams games next week to Monday (Ravens already there) and then looking at Bills Steelers and seeing if that needs to go back to Monday with the Ravens/Browns. It would suck, but they have to get these games in.

Is it ok to go from Rex Ryan to Adam Gase if you have Todd Bowles in between? I am asking for all the Jets Fans. I will let all three remaining know the outcome via Instagram later. 😂

Nice Shot, I will not comment on whether he is falling back or not, but that shot is great if you look at his left arm - when he is comfortable that arm is tight and his left hand is up under his chin strap. Whether he is falling back or not able to step up - it looks like his base is off set and he is not getting the torque to make that type of throw. Looking at the route diagram - I think Knox is ok - typically that route would angle deeper with Knox heading out past the forty to give him space between 43 underneath and 23 over the top. The route at the end curls back toward the 45, but Think that was the lack of strength on the throw that caused that. I do not mind the throw - it is not really hero ball - it was diagnosing the play and making the read and then getting just to much pressure to complete the throw. That entire play needed another couple of seconds because if he has less pressure - I think he moves his eyes toward Beasley that is breaking open, but he knows the primary read is Knox and the pressure forces the throw and he is not able to get the follow through to get the throw over the top. Actually - that is a key part of the Chargers defense - they allow those longer routes to develop and try to undercut them with the expectation that their D-Line can rush a throw and get them the Int. It is also why if the D-Line doesn’t get there they have given up a ton of big plays.

I don’t think so - their kicker has struggled and I don’t think they felt comfortable with any of their kicks today.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but the issue is every week a few teams do totally dominate, but it is rarely the same teams. People act like KC just puts their foot on your throat and dominates and the truth is they have been highly lucky to win several games - including a game against this Chargers team that with a smidge better coaching handled KC most of the game. People love to talk about the domination of the Titans, but then miss that they were destroyed a 2 win Bengal team just. Couple of weeks ago. Or they say we can’t beat the Ravens, but suddenly everyone is beating the Ravens. Even KC - which is a great team - goes through low points where they simply can’t move the ball and against TB got lucky that a few close penalties negated multiple Mahomes Ints that could of decided the game. It happens to every team and no maybe we can’t have a quarter where our offense naps, but maybe as our defense gets better - we don’t need to be quite as aggressive and can still stack wins.

Should we dagger them like KC did yesterday against TB. Or how about how the 8-3 Browns daggered the 1 win Jags. Maybe we should re look at our win against the Pats and compare that to how the Cardinals did against that same depleted team? This is the NFL - most games are close and most games end up as a 1 score affair. The Chargers had been involved in 9 straight 1 score games. The Bills 5 straight. The Pats and Cards have also been in 5 straight. It is the way of the NFL. The difference is the Bills win the majority of these close games and the Chargers had lost. Yesterday after the Bills got up - they maintained a 2 score lead most of the rest of the games and won by 10. For the Chargers that was a dagger - it was their worst loss of the season.