Rochesterfan

This is not quite true. The international program does not require him to be on the exempt PS list where he can’t be called up. That is a choice. The Bills and the player have 4 options: 1) put the international player on the final 53 roster where he is active. 2) cut the player and put him on the regular PS where he can be called up as needed. 3) cut him and use an exemption on him and place him on the PS as an extra member. (Last 2 years) Can not be called up. 4) cut him and do not resign him. The rule should not be modified because that would give the team with the international player an additional player on the PS that every other team does not have. It was set up specifically to give the player extra practice time, game film, coaching, and learning without giving a competitive advantage to any team. If the Bills felt he was adequate enough to call up if needed in a game - then they need to place him on the regular PS. If they are not sure - then they use the exemption and lock him on the team for a year to continue learning. Using the international extra practice squad spot is a specific choice the team makes and the player agrees to. The alternative for Wade would be getting cut outright as both he and the team have stated he was still learning and was not ready.

Gunner - I totally agree - I took your aggressive comment as tighter window throws - not chucking it down field. The comment from the reporter sounded like these were not even necessarily tight throws - they were late throws and with the water logged ball - slow and the defense got to them. Maybe in better weather those are completions and as others have said - it is June - he has a lot of time, but when you combine this with his being babied last year and not taking risks - even when supported by a top flight defense and couple that with a new OC - so many new things to learn - I am not sure they are developing a franchise QB properly. I would say this staff has broken just about every rule for properly developing a QB they could. They put him in before he was ready. They let him play while injured- even if mild. They pulled him in close and important games. They babied him when he was the QB. They switched OC after his first season.

I agree, but it was noted that the throws were not real aggressive - so it did not sound like overcompensating- it sounded more like a very wet/heavy ball and bad placement/late throws.

When have they stopped a game due to rain? If there was Lightning games get postponed, but they would of canceled practice if that was the case also. They have played games in the aftermath of hurricanes with non-stop rain. This is a potential playing condition that he might have to deal with.

They need to incorporate a lot of things, but without access to the players - the metric people only have the numbers and therefore they need that to work. The metric people have no way to quantify things like heart, drive, intelligence, competitiveness, etc - so they can not include that. It was easy when their made up numbers seemed to work, but they struggle to identify certain players that have something in their makeup that drives them. The tape and numbers can’t identify that - so it is easier to just hope he fails. For some players (unfortunately Tom Brady is a perfect example) both metric and scouts fail to identify them. Those are the guys that are late round/UDFAs that hit big. Sometimes Metrics are right and scouts are wrong and sometimes scouts are right and metrics fail. That is life.

Yeah - the issue was the guys that are true “talent evaluators” - scouts, former GMs, guys like Kiper - all raved about Allen - his build, arm strength, playing ability. The guys that were pushing metrics - win %, completion %, Interception %, “catchable balls”, interceptable passes - places like PFF and the like - panned the pick because based on metrics he was destined to be a bust. Therefore those metric guys have pushed a stupid narrative to try and protect themselves and unfortunately because they are not paid by teams, but by clicks - they keep pushing a stupid narrative. They guys that evaluate based on film have been right in this case and that steams the metric guys because it blows all of their stupid formulas up because Allen has done something they said could not be done based upon their studies and that was be successful and increase his play.

Only 2 picks - uggh Miami is already way ahead with 7 picks today. We need Mitch to pick it up. LOL.

New agreement in place - the teams are no longer allowed to rescind fines. It is part of the reason GB cancelled minicamp. If the fined Rodgers for not showing up - they couldn’t take it away and if the decided not to fine him - they couldn’t fine any other players that skipped and some players were talking about skipping in support of Rodgers. They were in a no win - so the best way to avoid it was to cancel mandatory minicamp.

Not sure I agree with the ratio - I think his personal pass to run ratio will be 1:1 and the teams pass to run ration will be 1:2. I do agree 20 throws a game max is about right. They will be a low scoring, FG kicking machine. They really need to get their holdout back in camp because they need every defensive player they can get.

So Last years KC offense wasn’t explosive? I am pretty sure it was more explosive than the Pittsburgh offenses and he produced less than our current RBs. Bell gives the offense no respect because he has not produced in 4 years. Our GM went after him to replace our #4 back last year and obviously doesn’t feel the same way as Bell has no offers and now Bell threw a highly respected HC under the bus and the KC players are even calling Bell out for a lack for not understanding he was the problem. Once again troll - fix your title to the correct name because we all know: Levon, Levon likes his money He’s made a lot they say Spends his days counting In a garage by the motorway and in his stupidity he cost himself NFL opportunity and nearly 14 million more.

I think in both cases the Bills knew the players were good and were good/great while here. Gilmore wanted out and wanted to go to a team were he could achieve personal accolades and he did that in spades. Woods wanted to return to family on the west coast and McD granted that request. In my minds eye - how the Bills handled things and their return was terrible, but they were not players that the Bills got rid of before they blossomed - they were a couple of the best players the Bills had during a period that the Bills were bad and players wanted out and therefore would not sign extensions or were looking to be way overpaid to be here. I think they fall into a different category where the Bills recognized the talent, but could not retain nor convince the players to stay. There are a long line of guys that fall into that going back in the drought to Winfield/Clements, Pat Williams, etc.

This is a football forum and if you want to have your ideas and thread be taken seriously- at least spell the name correctly of the player and if you make a mistake- own up and correct it. The title is on you fix it and then maybe people can talk about your ridiculous thoughts on a washed up player that has not been good for over 4 years and has blamed every team he has been on as an issue. Maybe the two of you could look in the mirror for the problem. 🤦‍♂️

Yes - teams make mistakes, but getting rid of Teller and Thomas when they did were not mistakes. Teller played for the Bills in 2018 and struggled to pass block. The team could see some ability run blocking, but Teller was 1 dimensional (a guard only) and struggled with the single most important function the Bills were looking to grow - passing. They traded him to Cleveland where in 2019 with a ton of injuries in a balanced offense - Teller was one of the worst guards in the league and was anticipated to be a 2020 camp cut. What Changed? 2020 brought in Stefanski and Callahan and a run first offense that fit Teller. When Cleveland was behind and trying to pass - Teller was still a liability on the OL. So yes if you pick up Teller after his year in Cleveland and put him on the Bills in the AFCCG where we were playing Boettger our #6 guard at the start of the season - maybe we are better, but Teller does not get there on a pass first Bills team and he would not be a starting guard on a pass first team. The stuff about Thomas is just plain wrong. He does absolutely nothing at all for this team and is a liability. He does not fit the Bills profile at TE and he produced yardage based strictly on targets. The Bills TEs were more efficient and better as a group than Thomas on average - they just had a different role. Alex Smith as a QB makes TEs a high priority - he has done it his entire career - including a year in KC with no WR receiver TDs - only throwing TDs to TEs and RBs. Even on the current roster Thomas doesn’t make the Bills squad because his role as a split out receiver was handled by Beasley and McKittrick (LOL). In addition Both were gone multiple years and multiple coaching staffs before they broke out. It was not a mistake made because you can’t always wait for these guys - They may have helped last year in one game, but it most likely costs the Bills games in both 2019 and 2020 and they do not achieve the playoffs and other records with them here. It is also ok to acknowledge that players must have proper fit to grow and become talented and if that fit is not in Buffalo - they never develop in the same way. Teller was bad in Buffalo and Cleveland until a 180 degree shift in offense game planning to a power run and run first offense. Without that shift, Teller is not a top end guard. Thomas took 5 years to become a legitimate pass catching TE, but during that time he could barely see the field. He finally broke out with a QB that utilizes the TE more than just about any QB on a team that lacked WR depth and talent. Even then his TDs, and Y/R were less than the Bills underutilized TEs. If the Bills wanted a split out TE - they would Split out Knox, but they use the TE more out of the H-Back role as a pass protector - something Thomas can’t do at this point. As a pass catcher split out - Beasley was significantly better and putting Thomas in that role just takes away catches from a better player - HARD PASS.

Doc - not sure that is totally correct. If I remember correctly and maybe I am wrong, but I believe Hopkins beat out Lindell in 2013 and then was injured just before the start of the season - leg injury. Carpenter had been cut by Miami and was signed to fill in and has a career year. That allowed the Bills to IR Hopkins during the season. He beat out Hopkins in 2014 though and Hopkins went to NO on the practice squad before getting a chance in Washington.

Are you talking Dustin Hopkins from the 2013 draft - multiple FOs ago. The miss on Hopkins was so long ago and had no bearing on the other events. The Teller trade gave additional ammo for Diggs and the extra 6th was used on Bass, but both occurred 9 months after the Teller trade - the Teller trade was not made in anticipation of those moves. Hopkins would of been nice and had beat out Lindell, but got injured just before the start of the season. The Bills were forced to bring in Carpenter - who has a career year in 2013 and beats out Hopkins in 2014. Hopkins finally emerged in 2015. The Bills totally recognized Hopkins talent - which was why he won the job before the injury. Kicker is a hard place to hang onto a guy after injury - when his replacement goes 33 of 36 and has most kickoffs for touchbacks.

Well he immediately used it to sign our first round pick as that happened immediately afterwards. He is also working on extensions for Tremaine and Josh - so he could roll it over. He could be waiting until camp cut downs as he has typically signed 1-2 veterans that get cut out of other camps. He could be looking at a couple of players. There are a bunch of options or he could be waiting on a trade. This rumor has been going on so long - I think there is less smoke/fire and more embers that certain FOs are trying to stoke. If the Bills really wanted Ertz - this would have gone down with the draft. Now it is just a waiting game - as I don’t think the Bills really want a trade - I think they are looking for a cut and sign.

What the heck are you even talking about with this. Yeah Dabol struggles to evaluate talent - that is just ridiculous. First go through with Thomas - which this will be like the third or fourth thread about him - what makes you think anything he did in Washington would have translated to Buffalo. The Bills spent multiple years teaching him the TE position and recognized he was not a TE that was going to develop into the style of TE they wanted. Do you really think the Bills in that offense last year with Diggs, Beasley, Brown (when healthy), McKenzie, and Davis target Thomas 110 times - nope - not a chance. More than likely if even making the team (which I doubt) he would get similar to the 60 targets that Kroft and Knox got. If you look at the combined stats for Knox and Kroft - they averaged better Y/R than Thomas, similar catch %, and same number of TDs. The difference was in the targets Thomas saw twice as many throws because Smith uses the TEs more than Allen does typically and Washington had significantly less talent at WR - therefore needing to use the TE more. Thomas on the Bills (same issue I have with Ertz) just does not move anything because without huge (WR type) targets of 90-120 targets - their numbers are right in line with Knox/Kroft from the last 2 years. You want to compare Thomas to someone on the Bills - the position/player you are comparing is Beasley and Beasley blew Thomas out of the water. Thomas on the Bills would be an even poorer blocker than Knox was and they would not have lined him out wide because they used the TE as an addition Blitz pick-up to give Allen more time. Teller has been discussed over and over and it is just a stupid argument. But the part that really gets me is this great run blocker. Do people honestly believe on a pass first team that Teller (pass blocking is a huge weakness of his) even makes the Bills OL. Then for the argument that Thomas and Teller would of made the difference in the AFCCG - you know what would of made a difference having any of our 3 top guards fully healthy, or any of our top 4 WRs healthy. Teller and a random run game makes nearly no difference for a pass first team and Tellers struggles in the passing game meant when we were behind - he was more likely to be a problem than a solution. Look I get it sometimes good players move on and shine and get better. In this case neither player got better the after the Bills moved on - both players stunk in 2019 after the Bills moved on. They both fell into ideal situations that came about last year. Neither player after their 2018 seasons in Buffalo deserved to be here and neither player based upon their 2019 performance would have made last years roster. Wish them luck and move on - it is ok to do that and recognize fit means a lot for players. 🤦‍♂️

That is great news - we can always use a punt catcher on the team. A great use of special teams resources. 😂

Family guy is basically the Flintstones right. Space Ghost - kind of like Mr. Magoo. You wouldn’t know the difference. Yeah right 😂

So as I said - it has nothing to do with liking my own QB better. Coming out as a draft pick - watching him do predraft coverage with media and do the chalk board stuff - Mahomes seemed like a butthead. I was on record that even if we drafted him - he was not a guy I could find myself rooting for. The more stuff I have seen in both the media and on the field - I feel just as strongly. He would not be a guy I connect with as a fan. He just isn’t. Much like Rex as our HC - I would root for Mahomes if he was on Buffalo, but I would only be rooting for him because I am a Bills fan. Maybe more of his personality would actually shine, but what I see - I think he makes for a terrible face of the franchise. On the other hand - I loved Josh Allen in the pre draft stuff - before he was even drafted. He seemed to have a great personality, ultra competitive, but fun loving and a real outgoing soul. I was rooting for him before we even drafted him because he just seemed like a real great guy. Going into that draft - my biggest fear was Allen going #1 to Cleveland and us getting stuck with Baker or Darnold. Both Baker and Darnold seemed like ok guys, but neither had the personality that I wanted to see leading my team. I want to root not only for my favorite team, but it is so much better if they are great guys that you want to root for also. That is where Josh is. I have tons of guys across the league (and occasionally on the Bills) that I can’t stand. There are all types of people that act like Kareem Hunt and go after women, there are guys that are to full of themselves (Rodgers), there are out and out bad guys (Ray Lewis, Big Ben, and Hernandez as extreme cases) - and I can’t stand these guys no matter what team they are on. There are also tons of players like Tre White, Josh Allen, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson, Aaron Donald, McCaffrey, etc - that seem to love the game and have a great fun time out there playing. Even a guy like Nick Bosa and the comments and things said during after the Bills game just seemed like fun and I tend to rather watch and root for those players.

CEH is nothing special. The RBs put up worse yards and receptions than the previous year and when CEH was injured - their UDFA on the roster put up better numbers. He is a name and nothing else.

Look as we do not know any of these guys personally - we can only go by what we saw in interviews as a player and especially pre draft. As we were looking for QBs - I tried to watch every interview, every QB section talk, everything available about these guys pre draft and I never liked the way Mahomes came across as a person and a leader. Mahomes just seemed very one note - and was not a guy I wanted - even if he is the best in the game. As a person and a leader - I would choose Josh 100 times out of a hundred because he is exactly the kind of guy that I love to watch play, root for, and see grow. To me it is very much like Kelly and Marino. Marino was the better “QB”, but was never a guy that I could like - he just seemed like a jerk, but Kelly fit the mold of a guy that I could root for - everything about him appealed to me - even when he was being a total tool - like calling guys out - there was just something n his make-up that I could get behind. Josh is that same way and even better - he seems humble, but wants to win - willing to do anything for his guys. Mahomes just does not do that for me - he didn’t in stuff prior to the draft and since he has been in the league. Much like when Rex was here - I would root for a Mahomes led Bills team, but he would not excite me as a fan - so even if we never beat the Chiefs - I would still not trade Allen for Mahomes because I personally love being invested in Josh.

Don’t really care - I love Josh and can’t stand Mahomes. I will take Josh 100 times out of 100. I don’t care who is better - it is about having our guy and that is all I am concerned with.

I really hope so - if not 🤦‍♂️

Not surprising with the leagues COVID protocols.