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Which is what they would do in a real game, but what happens if it was a snowy game or that completion only got them to mid field - the smart coaches devise a plan and tell his coaches - let’s try to get 1 more first down with no time outs. They purposely called the timeout just to allow the extra plays. McD was fine last year when needed in late game, but no - you think in a pre season game - he mismanaged the clock. Good grief.

Maybe Fromm failed and they will use it as a learning point. Yes - it was obvious they were playing with an exact situation in mind. Late 4th quarter - no timeouts - need 1 more first down. Fromm completed passes, but the guys did not execute the attempt. It will be discussed and used as a teaching points for all of the players. McD talked about wanting these situations and that he was going to do things in these games he would not do in the regular season just to give live situations to both players and coaches - they talked about that pre-game.

Idiotic take McD has been solid in all aspects and getting better, but the Mcclappy comment shows a troll. 👋

Because like Campbell - they were playing a situation- not a regular season game. Why would Detroit throw the ball near the end zone the drive before - it is not because Campbell is stupid - they were trying to use that as a chance to practice certain plays in a true game situation. McD did the same thing - after the long completion- the next set of play calls would never happen in an actual game, but you want to see how you team reacts with no timeouts needing to move the ball. I think he is happy they won, but more happy to try different things. I also think he would of been fine if the clock had been moving and they had to rush the kicker out if he had gotten tackled in bounds. They worked that scenario in practice and I think he would of loved that in the game - hence the play calls. 🤦‍♂️

I think my cuts would be: 1) OL person - I thought Hart stunk, but he was still playing and there were others below him I did not see. I thought they might be trying to showcase him for trade bait, but that seemed to backfire. 2) Brandon Powell - Stevenson looked competent and Powell does nothing. 3) Bug Howard - never saw him - want to see more of Morris 4) Mike Love - love the kid, but rather see the young guys play and thought they all played well. 5) Tyrell Adams - missed the biggest tackle of the game on a perfect call - thought the other LBs were just flat out better.

I don’t disagree, but then people need to expect to see major changes to the game day fans. If you have 65,000 season tickets - you need essentially come up with $16,000 per person to cover the private cost over a short time. The longer it takes the more you need to cover interest. So upping the cost to over $200 per ticket and $5,000 psl per seat and you begin to cover the cost in 10-15 years, but if it costs over $7000 for tickets and $20,000 for a psl for 4 tickets - how many regular fans are signing up for that? You are then changing the clientele completely and if it doesn’t sell out - you have to find other ways to get that money. If you spread that out through the state with 20 million people - you could cover that with a much smaller cut - 5$ a year covering 10 years hits 1 Billion and you could do that with a state wide stadium fee - that covers that and other stadium needs in the future.

Sal was talking about Ford Field having really nice sight lines. Indy had fine sight lines for the game I saw there. I have heard Minny was phenomenal and I can’t wait to hear how the new LA and LV stadiums actually seem with fans, but both seemed fine. I think old designs forced bad sight lines for roofed stadiums, but the newer stadiums seemed to have solved most of that issue. I think the roofed stadiums lose some of that ambiance that we love, but also controls the weather better when you have a top flight offense. I think you are going to be pretty upset then. My guess will be the new OP stadium is going to run about a billion for the taxpayer - twice what you are looking at. I also think if it was going downtown that would be closer to 2 billion in taxpayer cost - so staying in OP will be much lower for taxpayers, but it is still going to be a lot.

I don’t disagree with what you are saying, I disagree with the taxpayer sentiment. The taxpayer portion is going to be huge either way. I would prefer if that was logically spent downtown with a Ford Field, Indy, or Minnesota type stadium. If they are going the cheap route with a new open air in OP - I still expect the taxpayers to foot most of the bill - the overall cost will just be less. It provides nothing but a game day experience, but the cost will be smaller. Downtown brings much more availability, but the costs rise.

That is just the thing - I would rather see it 100% publicly financed than a significantly even split - just for my game day experience. Yes - you are financially supporting a billionaire, but if you want to see what a private financed stadium deal looks like - look at the Pats. He privately financed the stadium and then moved ticket prices up and up as they won - until an average price is over $255 a ticket. He then went about renovating end zones and other areas - cutting away more cheap seats and turning it into a corporate game - it is no longer alive. The higher the private financing done by the Pegula’s- the more they need to charge in either PSLs and seat costs. People are complaining about moving downtown and losing tailgating, but if your seats cost 3 times what you pay now and you have a PSL on top - that will kill tailgating far faster - as a whole different crowd will start attending games. On the other hand - if based upon the surveys - people want to keep the tailgating and the feel - then they need to keep the cost of tickets down - maybe a 1.5 times increase instead - to do that - you need to spread that cost over a bigger percentage of people and have much more public financing. The stadium will not pay for itself and keeping it in OP means that even more so it will not pay for itself. The question becomes where is the 1.4 billion coming from - is it coming from the public via taxes and other funding or is it coming from the public via higher seat prices, PSLs, and other fees? You are paying either way - just different if it is spread out across the state and the area or more impactful on the users.

I agree with some of this. They were a 7 win team last year and better QB play they could easily had 10 or 11 wins. The issue is I think they are even less diverse this year. It was obvious Cam lacked the arm strength later in the season and once teams started moving up and stacking the box and not fearing the pass - they really struggled to win. They kept games close, but were not a real threat to win. I don’t think they get the early season teams backing off - I think teams will say - you have to beat us through the air and down the field - outside. We are stacking the line of scrimmage and the middle - good luck. This year they added TEs and look to be even more of a running game team and both Cam and Mac seem to be better at short 3-5 yard throws - meaning 1 incomplete pass kills a drive. We saw it last evening with Jones - he completed nearly 70% of his passes for a 4.6 yard average. His couple of throws over 10 yards in the air were incomplete. He looked just like he did in college - the difference - his WRs are no longer 5* recruits playing against 2-3* players and therefore instead of big gains - they are tackled at 3-4 yards. I think they struggle early with Cam, but move the ball and eventually flip to Jones and he is a significantly better passer than Cam, but they still struggle to move and they end up around 6-8 wins. They will be good enough to beat the bottom teams with defense, but will struggle against the better teams and end up well outside the playoff picture.

Yeah, but you would have to plan that out 3-4 weeks in advance- and cut someone to move him to the regular PS.

If either side makes money from parking - why wouldn’t you do everything to make it part of the price. Why give free money to the side lots? The stadium being out in the middle of the suburbs allowed parking in people’s houses. You just add a parking fee to the ticket - people can still park wherever, but either the county or the team gets the money. Then you make the lots free to park - so the neighborhood lots can’t match the price and you open up a big area by the stadium as a party zone with food, drinks, merchandise, games, etc to draw people and if you couple that with opening the lots later - you can get more people to buy your stuff rather than bring their own. The object for the teams is to make money and if people tailgate with their own food and drinks and park in private lots - that is money you lose. Plus it allows people to get way to drunk before even entering the game. It is not just Snyder- most stadiums are associated with public owned lots that bring good money to the area if you want to park close - if not they have public transport, buses, subway, etc that again give money to the community.

Saw this on a CBS article, but the idiots were talking about Obada as our IPP player with an exception. I hate guys that write articles on things they have on idea about.

I don’t expect even close to 50/50. I think the Pegula’s big concession is having the stadium in OP. I would expect a final split along the way of 75/25 maybe 70/30 public/private with a 40 year lease with pretty good terms and the county/state picking up renovations along the way. I also would expect part of this to be more land given to the Pegula’s from the ECC lot and I could see them getting most of the parking minus some fees to help cover the cost. I think that helps keep ticket prices slightly lower and keeps PSLs to minimum. I would also expect to see them work on including parking into ticket prices to begin to limit street/private lot parking. I could see a casino maybe on site, but trying to “make it an attraction” doesn’t really work in OP. The restaurants and bars would struggle to survive with basically 300+ days of down time between football season. If it was downtown - at least you could draw festival crowds on weekends and downtown workers during the week, plus Crowds from Baseball games during the summer and Hockey games during the winter. You suddenly have potential clients most days to help supplement the off season - whereas in OP you have none of that.

I think the joke was to insinuate that guy is a fan. I want to throw the ball to the fans - no go over there and we will play catch - ala’ you are my fan and we are going to play catch - catch with the fans. It was a quick witted, but dumb joke that the guy never got any of the times. 😂 I believe they would need to go through the approval process - typically takes about 2 years. They went red as part of color rush, but that had to be red on red as part of that. I think if they want Red on White - they would just need to submit that as an alternate choice, but currently that is not the alternate they use.

Totally disagree about Oakland. They had already moved to LA and came back when that failed. Their fan base was not even close to ours. They did have a better economy, but needed a new stadium and Oakland was not giving them that after the regional money spent on SF football and baseball stadiums and Oakland’s new Baseball stadium. The Raiders were supposed to be fine getting the older stadium for themselves, but got offered better accommodations with an owner that desperately needed the money. I don’t think there is any way they move mostly because the area is at a point that a new stadium is needed - the city, county, and state will find the money - just like they did for the Sabres years ago.

Yolo at least got a nice piece of news into the thread. Unfortunately we need to be patient.

The guys on NFL radio were talking about this earlier today. The Saints didn’t forget. It sounds like Thomas went Radio Silence on them. Would not return calls nor show up to camps. They made it sound like there was a disagreement and Thomas didn’t follow up because he didn’t want the surgery. He was going the wait it out route and therefore rather than admit several months ago it was not getting better - he waited as long as possible. He felt the Saints released the news to make him look bad and apparently it worked because the fans are riding him hard for delaying the surgery and now costing the team time in the season. Sounds to me like 2 parties getting ready for a bitter divorce.

Heard the guys on NFL radio talking about this - just crazy. It sounded mostly like a lack of communication and then both the Saints and Thomas trying to CYA. Depending on the version there was talk of Thomas having a surgery and it not working and there being conflicting data, but basically being told to get the surgery redone and he wanted to wait to see if things would work before the second surgery. Then the delay pushed recovery into the season, but Thomas was not providing updates to the team - some reports basically said he stopped taking their calls all together - so there was anger and frustration on both parts. Then the story broke and Thomas felt it was a hatchet job on his reputation and was purposely dropped by the team. It certainly made Saints fan turn on him 100%.

Ok - I totally agree with that assessment. I think with the things they can control - like contracts - they are ok, but there are things like the cap that could change, but the NFL/NFLPA put in a guideline for the GMs for next year and once TV contracts go into effect - that is outside most of this business, but yes there may be unforeseen issues.

I am not sure what this means. We have as much control as possible with a fantastic team and loads of flexibility to open more cap space as needed.

Yeah - I heard. It is hot in the stands, but even hotter on the field and in the tunnel there waiting.

I have heard the Bills trainers talk about this before - to actually be effective in hydrating for a game in Miami - they need to start 5 days before the game at minimum. Trying to do it the night before can actually cause more problems because your body will eliminate most of the excess water and create a potential net loss. They give the guys individual plans - on how much to drink and to spread it out so that they maintain fluid levels as much as possible - even with that - they still get guys going down with cramps and needing IVs. The worse thing is to plan or practice at one temp and then get these super hot/humid days sort of by surprise and they have not got the added hydration plan in place - I think that was what today was - Hot following their Saturday practice in the stadium - where the turf makes it worse.

The more I read and the more details we get - I just love the way this contract was written and how well Beane set it up to help the Bills in the future and still pay Josh. It is brilliant. 👍👍 What I really noticed with the way this is set up is the flexibility built in. They have the initial bonus for 5 years starting now (2021-2025). They have the option bonus next year running (2022-2026). They have the big salary jump for 2023, but the extra years means if they convert the 2023 salary to a signing bonus (ala’ Mahomes and Tre’ White) - they can free up about 10 million in 2023 and spread that out (2023-2027). They can repeat that in 2024 by changing the base salary to bonus and save about 5-7 million for 2024 and spread that out (2024-2028). Then they switch tactics to signing bonuses starting in 2025 and hopefully by that time the salary cap will be balanced out from COVID and more importantly- the new TV money is in place and we see huge jumps in salary cap from 2023 to 2024 and especially in 2025 - allowing this contract to be below new market value as the market skyrockets.

I know that they get this stuff wrong, but they are just there to provide good feelings to fans. They do not typically have good info or intel - unless the Bills want them to have something. What I really noticed with the way this is set up is the flexibility built in. They have the initial bonus for 5 years starting now (2021-2025). They have the option bonus next year running (2022-2026). They have the big salary jump for 2023, but the extra years means if they convert the 2023 salary to a signing bonus (ala’ Mahomes and Tre’ White) - they can free up about 10 million in 2023 and spread that out (2023-2027). They can repeat that in 2024 by changing the base salary to bonus and save about 5-7 million for 2024 and spread that out (2024-2028). Then they switch tactics to signing bonuses starting in 2025 and hopefully by that time the salary cap will be balanced out from COVID and more importantly- the new TV money is in place and we see huge jumps in salary cap from 2023 to 2024 and especially in 2025 - allowing this contract to be below new market value as the market skyrockets.