Rochesterfan

Yep - said that earlier in the thread. This is a splash move to appease new owners and the fan base. The player makes them better, but it has far more implications to the team than just wins on the field.

Have you seen the QBs they pick when they draft - that is the only way they have ever acquired good QBs. Elway, Manning, Wilson - none of the drafted. Locke, Osweiler, Cutler, Tebow - uggh gross. If you can make the trade - celebrate it and move on.

I don’t believe this is a 2 year window. They had a talented defense and multiple stud WRs, but lacked a QB to make plays. They lost several games last year where the defense fought all game to keep them close and their QBs couldn’t do anything. I think Wilson greatly elevates the offense and he gets WRs involved. I don’t think their running game is great, but it similar to Seattles - they were 50 yards apart for the year and one team had a QB. I also think this helps with the team sale and the fan excitement- this is a splash move unlike the crap that has been talked about for the Bills. I think this is a great move for Denver and I hope it helps the Bills in the long run by hurting KC and LA.

Even with all that - I think Denver won the trade so far.

You forgot the option None of these. The only one I would go after is Jones, but to me none of them are “splash signings” that instill hype. They are all overpayed, older veterans that return versus cost is bad. The best player is CMC, but with his salary and injury - that is an albatross. Adams and Goodwin are great receivers, but the cost versus benefits with Diggs is bad. It is not a good group to hype me up because I don’t think any of them are long term investments that have lasting impacts and I am not sure any of them move me toward my goal. Instead of a splash signing - how about we find some solid O-line men and protect the investment and look for some more up and coming talent like we did with Diggs. That hypes me up.

Maybe, but with as many as 8-10 teams dying for a QB - especially a cost controlled QB - and few to none being available - I could see several teams look at Love as an option. Denver has his former OC, the Saints need a QB option on the cheap and with that division- they could win. The same goes for both Carolina and TB. Heck Atlanta could look to trade Ryan and get younger. Washington is looking for a QB, Detroit needs to replace Goff, Pittsburgh and the Colts have to replace Veterans that are not coming back. Also - this is the year to trade him before the option is required. You give a team a year window to decide if they want to exercise the option or not. You have the time to figure it out now - rather than having to rush a trade next year. Plus after Covid - this is the deepest draft ever in several key positions - so even getting a mid second is netting you a nice WR potentially that can help immediately. If this was the Allen QB draft - with potentially 5 or 6 QBs with 1st round potential - I would hold on and showcase Love, but with as few as 2-3 1st round QBs and maybe only 1 top 10 pick and that might be a stretch - Love becomes potential for several other teams - especially in a QB friendly system. I just don’t think that showcasing him helps the cause much - get what you can and use it in a deep draft - at least that is what I would try to do.

All Jordan ever was - was a safety net. The Pack protected themselves and now in a bad QB draft year - they can work to trade him to a QB needy team. They lose a bit of capital, but it protected them in case this played out different. In a deep WR class - this might get them another potential WR to help. This is the perfect year to try and trade Love - lots of open jobs and few viable legitimate options. As for the Bills - so glad we got Allen in before this off season. This deal should drive up Carr, Cousin, and Stafford and by extension - Lamar, Mayfield, Burrow, and Murray. 🎉

What was he Hang time? He does that in a game - what happens. The ball is 60 yards in the air to a returner that has 20 - 25 yards of open space - it is a huge return waiting to happen. I would rather see him with that leg consistently hit 50 yard kicks with huge hang time above 5 seconds than boot it 60+ yards with what looked like about 3.5 -4 seconds of hang time. The great punters look to have the distance be about 10 times the hang time on average to allow coverage to make up the ground. For that punt - he most likely out kicked the coverage by nearly 20 yards being generous. 60 yards and around 4 seconds is not good. I would look to take him late, but I don’t think in the NFL he is the weapon people think.

I think they trade it for pennies on the dollar, but I think they need OL help most.

At a rookie salary - Yes I would rather have a cost controlled Rookie give me over 1/2 the snaps than pay a 1st and 17 million for CMC. That is an easy question.

I wouldn’t due to his cost and injury history, but I would give up more for him than Barkley. He is a much better player and much more useful to any offense. With his salary - I would not give up picks, but I would sign him to a deal if possible.

I would totally disagree with this. 6 of the 10 top paid RBs we’re on teams that missed the playoffs. So they certainly didn’t make their teams significantly better. Also multiple players in that Top 10 are not even their teams best backs by the end of the season. I would argue Dillion supplanted Jones, Hines in Indy is definitely not the starter, Elliot was outplayed in Dallas - making those guys not worth the money. Several of those top backs also missed significant playing time on the season - even the “Elite” RBs like Henry or Jones on teams that made the playoffs - the teams saw little drop off when their overpriced RBs went down and the low cost back-ups came in. A guy like Henry went out in week 8 and after that the Titans had 2 200 yard rushing days and a 198 yard day with no names. The team averaged 147 with Henry and 144 without Henry. He is an Elite back, but what it tells me is the O-line is key to them. Another guy on the list - Aaron Jones was basically moved down to back-up when a cheaper AJ Dillion started to out play him. The guys on the list are great and deserve to be paid, but I am not sure any of them are worth the contract. The Super Bowl was won by the combined running of a cast off Sony Michel and Henderson. Last year a low cost, cut Fournette was the SB RB. The year before in KC - the main RB in the SB another no name player - Williams as guys like McCoy got hurt.

No - I expect the Giants will retain Barkley and use the Tag if bounces back and let him walk if he doesn’t. For a RB - it is a big contract and it will most definitely have an impact on their ability to trade him. Barkley in 13 games before getting injured again was averaging 3.7 YPC. The 2 guys you mentioned were both over 4 YPC in limited snaps. The Seahawks have an out with Carson - I think they move on and replace him with a cheaper player. The cost and the value do not line up. Barkley in more carries was basically Zack Moss last year - I am not giving up picks and paying over 7 million for that level of production. If he is a FA - give him a 1 year 3 - 3.5 million contract to prove it, but not the 8th highest current contract for a RB in 2022. You keep saying the contract is not that much - let’s put it in a different perspective. His Salary is the same as the contract everyone is complaining about with Edmunds. He is the 8th highest paid ILB and he has only missed limited snaps not multiple years. The one position on the offense that I do not want to commit top 10 money to is the RB position. His salary is 8th, his Yards per Carry is 40th - they do not line up. You want guys like Devin Singletary or Patterson or even AJ Dillion or a slew of NE RBs that averaged over 4 YPC and top 20 for YPC and their pay is 20-40. They are overplaying the contract. My opinion, but yeah his contract will limit any return available and works like an albatross. It is to much for what he has done in the last few years.

7.2 million makes him a top 10 salary for RB for AAV. For a guy injured each of the last few seasons - that is an Albatross of a contract. If the Giants thought he was going to “bounce” back - why trade him - keep him and use Tags if he does perform and let him walk if he doesn’t. At least the Giants have CAP space. If they are done with him - then I do not want him at that salary anyplace near my team.

If the Giants restructure and get the cap hit down to 3-3.5 million - maybe I look, but I would not give up anything to get a back with that injury history and a 7 million CAP hit. You can sign or keep 50+ other RBs at a fraction of the cost and get similar or better production.

No their home AFC west games are Denver/LV. Don’t see either of those as big games - unless Rodgers goes to Denver.

I think you are much more likely to see Dallas or Arizona followed by SF all well before Buffalo. I think the Bills would be on par with Seattle and Atlanta as follow up games in that time slot. The opening night is about celebrating the team and most of the time they choose a good match-up that the defending SB champ should beat (15-3) since 2004. I am revising my thoughts and I think Seattle and Atlanta both move higher assuming both QBs stay put - as they give potential QB match-ups, but still give the Rams a huge advantage. I think Buffalo is a prime SNF or MNF matchup in LA. Twice - 2007 and 2016. About 10% of the time 2 out of 19 I believe since the defending SB champs started on Thursday.

It will most likely not be the Bills. Since 2004 and the Super Bowl champs starting the season - only twice has the game been AFC versus NFC (2007 and 2016). They nearly always make it a compelling intra-conference game as the NFL tries to make the majority of week 1 and 2 games intra-division when possible and intra-conference when not. 2 out of 17 puts the odds right around 10% and dropping as it is so rare.

Game 1 and 2 (injured in game 2) his completion percentage was fine, but he only had 1 TD and 2 Ints at that point - plus sacks. I think if he could adjust his mentality and be happy as a high volume game manager- he would be fine, but I would not want to be a team and have to rely on him. Mayfield wants to be considered elite, but he is really replacement level on a very good team. The issue is what are you willing to pay a game manager - I think they should let him play on the option, but be looking for a way out - trade/FA/Etc. Even tagging him might be to expensive for his play - depends upon whether you can get a similar player - Grappolo, Tannehill, etc at a cheap price.

Not sure this is a smart take - the 49ers swept the Rams this year and beat them in LA just a couple of weeks ago with LA having a ton on the line. The 49ers are not a good match-up for LA - good defensive pressure, strong running game to the edges, and can stop the run without extra defenders.

Agreed. All of that’s fine, but why fire Culley. You gave him 22 million and 5 years. At least last year you had some legitimate candidates take you call, but I am assuming they were stuck with Culley for the actual hire. The situation got worse after firing Culley in 1 year - so now no one wants to take your call. They were stupid even if they wanted to move on from Culley - you needed to keep him for year 2 at least. Not only are they screwed looking at the HC, but what kind of staff can you put together. If I have a rookie HC - I want some experience on the staff, but in this case with limited connections - can you even get a competent staff in place?

This is not like Pederson at all. Doug was a HC in high school for 4 years, an offensive quality control coach and then QB coach in Philadelphia, an OC in KC that actually called plays for Andy Reid - the year before becoming a head coach. Pederson had 7 years of NFL coaching experience at different levels and 4 years head coaching at a HS level - to go a long with his playing career. He has seen how to handle an NFL level staff at the NFL level and the entire interaction from medical staff, nutritional staff, work out and training staff, etc. McCown on the other hand has volunteered as a QB coach in HS during his free time and was an assistant coach in HS for last season. He has no experience at even being a HC let alone any NFL experience and you are talking about a team that just basically paid 22 million for a coach for 1 season and canned him. If McCown takes the job it is to get paid because this has failure written all over it and will hurt his future chances.

So Jerry is already a UFA and Addison is essentially a UFA as he has a 2 million buyout that is in effect. Neither has a contract on the Salary Cap for next year - so you are not losing their Salary as it is zero when you look at the cap for next year. Therefore - their salaries are not a chunk of money to sign Goodwin or Adams. The only money you are saving is getting rid of a guy like Beasley saving a few million, but that money will be needed to sign another DE as we have at least 3 FA. Same goes for WR - we cut Cole to save money, but you have FA in McKenzie and Sanders already and core ST like Kumerow. You are also losing so DT and back-up LBs, depth OL, CB, and back-up QB. You have several small holes that will need to be filled smartly as you also have Edmunds on his 5th year and a decision on Oliver and his 5th year option. I would prefer to see the Bills sign a ton of mid level guys to fill holes and draft key positions like WR, DE, CB to get younger at those positions.

Martindale came up in the ranks learning and following those guys. Baltimore has run that type of scheme forever and you are absolutely correct that it is falling by the wayside and they need to find a modern defense. I will be interested if this means they go outside the organization and bring in someone with a different background. This is not something they do as an organization often, but they have brought in coaches like Roman when needed. Martindale had it tough because of the injuries on the back end meant you could not effectively attack with the front 7. The loss of Judon (who was their do it all) also hurt - he was their emotional and physical leader. I personally would not want him on my coaching staff as a DC, but if you need a LB coach or a guy that can help scheme up an attacking defense for a few plays to break some tendencies- he would be a helpful guy in a suited role.

How soon before Reid signs this guy in KC or is the excessive speed and a DUI not enough for Reid? Maybe if he had an Uzi in the front seat along with the DUI and the speed - Reid and KC would be his spot. Guys a complete Jackwagon after everything that has happened in that town with Ruggs to do the same thing.