Rochesterfan

This doesn’t make any sense. There is a huge amount of time between now and camp. They will make the cut when ever they want - they can do it now and designate it post June 1st or wait until after June 1st to cut him. Star isn’t going to retire and miss out on the money owed to him, but I suspect both he and the Bills know he is done. There just is not a need to cut him now because you only free up a small amount - even if you designate him a post June 1st - you only get 1 to 1.5 million now or the most post June 1st. I think basically Star is the rookie signing money. Come June 1st he gets cut and then officially retires with his money and the Bills recoup 4.5 million to spend on rookies. He is not taking snaps or going to camp - he is done.

The thing is - the Bills get no relief cutting him now versus later. The can designate him a post June 1st, but as he does not have a bonus coming up - there is no rush. Beasley had a bonus due - hence the need to cut him before that. They know what is up with Star. I think if he wanted to play - they would have already cut him and designated it post June 1st and let him move on. I think they know he is done and so there is no rush as the money is limited and really only valuable after June 1st.

So let me understand: 1) Take Mack (a significantly lesser player) and give up draft picks plus over pay for him 2 Get Miller (a better player with a history of helping his team win) and no draft picks for a similar cost. Hmm - unless I have a lobotomy- give me #2 all day long. I would always take the better player and retain picks. Mack is nice for LA, but Miller is a 2 time SB champion that works hard to help younger players grow. Mack is good, but his teams have not won and he has not made them significantly better. This should be an easy choice.

Yes. They had Dane playing CB1 and left Wallace as CB2. Sal talked a lot about this. They Bills brass felt very comfortable with having White and essentially Johnson as the de facto #2 covering the slot. The outside CB#2 typically has help with the 2 safeties. In the KC game - multiple times Jackson held his own and Wallace was out of position - including the huge catch at the end. That was on Wallace. They were ready for Dane to take over and they already have younger depth. If things go well and BPA is a CB - all the better, but I think they will look for 1 more CB before the draft, but it does not need to be a big name - just depth.

I don’t understand this thinking at all. Why tender him at 3.9 million when that is probably at least 1 - 1.5 million more than you think he is worth. The Bills did this exactly right. Low tender him with right to match. Let the Vikings do the work and if the deal comes in at a palatable rate - you match and it is done and you have 10 days to get the money in order. If the cost is to high - then you wait to decline and let that eat money up in Minnesota without having a back-up plan. In the mean time you can research other guys while you wait. Bates was a nice find, but he was an average guard - his real value is in his flexibility. My guess is the Vikings will try to sign him, but the Bills will match and since there is no longer the ability to do poison pills since the CBA - 2 times ago- you just have to determine his worth - no different than every other player. They had a worth on Wallace, Beasley, Harrison Phillips and they use that to determine offers and who to let walk.

I have no issue bringing him back and would actually love to get the guy a ring, but it has to be on a super low salary. I am shooting for around vet minimum with incentives and working both Jerry and Shaq Lawson. If either want to be on the team (1 or the other) I need super low salary for about 20% of the snaps - all out effort when you get a shot. I want Von hitting about 65-70%, Groot hitting 55-60%, AJ and Bash hitting 30% each with Bash getting some play inside. That leaves about 15-20% with probably a few weeks as an inactive as needed for a vet DE that should not make much. If Hughes wants more - I look to guys like Ingram, Houston, JPP and other vets looking for a guy chasing a ring that can give us games if needed, but will settle for limited snaps to help the youngsters grow. That is my opinion on it and I would love for that vet to be Jerry, but I am not wedded to that idea.

Just say No. Give me a value position in the first - CB/WR - even if they pick up more guys via FA. Hall would be ok, but I would much rather see the Bills move back than draft Hall in the 1st. If they can get him early 2nd and pick up another CB/WR later then great, but RBs are so devalued that they should not be allowed in the first at all. Their initial contract with a 5th year option already prices them out of what you should pay a RB. For example Harris taken in Round 1 last year will be over a 4 million cap hit in year 4 and the 5th year option will double that. You can pick up fresh FA RBs at 1/2 that cost year after year.

First off if the Bills did run back the same team, but if they had Tre White in the Playoff game do they win like they did earlier in the year? The difference in the playoffs was the one key elite player the Bills had on IR that KC didn’t. That 1 player was responsible for eliminating 1 other receiving target and allowing Hill and Kelce to be double teamed by coverage and safeties. He also as needed switched off and picked up Kelce. That allowed the LBs to play a zone/man coverage on RBs and to spy more on Mahomes. Second - at this point the Chiefs primary weapons are Hill and Kelce. Kelce had times where he looked slowed down and I think the same can be said of their DLine. The Bills were younger at a number of key positions - so yes I think just year over year growth of younger players versus aging players improves the Bills slightly. Third - KC has lost more than they gained so far and I will be hard pressed to say they are a better team - the Bills have gained more in FA than they lost - so I think that matters also. Lastly - the Chiefs had an advantage and got the game at home. This year - I am not sure they win their division. They will have 6 tough division games to fight through and potentially more beaten up than ever before. So I give another advantage to the Bills even if they had just run it back. In the end - the Bills did what you asked and added an impact defensive player. I just think your post was: A) Way to Early in the FA process B) Not correct as the biggest reason we lost in the playoffs is the player we IR’d versus the Chiefs being healthy.

Good that makes me feel a lot better about the deal. 🤦‍♂️

As the Giants did not tender him - he is a FA - this is the kind of signing that happens after the comp period as a 1 year min deal and camp arm. I don’t think he makes a wave one way or the other - so no big deal.

That was a fake story by EPSN - not anything tangible. I think more than anything - Carolina is holding on to him as a potential piece in the Watson trade. Houston wants #1 picks and players and this might be a piece that helps Carolina obtain the QB. I would assume the Bills inquired, but it would have required some salary retention in Carolina to make things work.

I totally disagree with this take. Baker certainly let those interactions impact him. He walked on and I believe he started and alternated starting. When he did not get all the accolades - he didn’t do what others do and stay and fight to win the job. He took his ball and left. He then went on to do amazing things at Oklahoma, but came into the NFL with attitude. He has already multiple times complained about support and being treated “poorly” by the media for stories that have been shown to be true. He has a complex and when he perceives a slight - it is not - I will work harder. It seems to be move me or let me go where I am wanted. I think much like Tua was messed up by Watson early last year - this will have an impact on Baker - especially if the trade falls through. Baker is not mentally strong enough without getting 100% of the accolades and glory - he wants to be the man even if it is the worst thing for the team - see most of last year and the injury.

Gronk easily. Landry was during the play and went high on a block. Gronk - WWE after the play was over for no reason.

I totally get what you are saying, but he is paid at the 10th spot for RT - upper third. When we get to guards he is in a pack around 15th - so even with 2 starting guards - he was our higher paid and at just a slightly higher spot than as a tackle. It is not like he was the 15th RT and 10th guard where he is suddenly out of scale. Does he live up to the contract - probably not after year 1, but he is/was starter level and as is the case throughout the league - salary is driven by when you become a FA as much as talent. They need starting level players and his flexibility is a huge plus as he stepped up and moved to tackle as needed through Covid, injury, missed time. What I look for is who else are they going after and what impact does that have. I could see him do a restructure for more guaranteed money, but I do not want them creating a new hole to fill that saves them little money once replacement costs and dead money gets figured in.

Guards and RT are comparable in price and his salary slotted him in higher as a RT than as a guard. That was why the deal worked for both sides - he was slotting into a range that fit both his previous years RT play and if they moved him around guard play. He might or might not rework anything. At some point you need guard play and that is different than tackle - so he trained and studied as a tackle and then when needed shifted to guard and was adequate. Let’s see how other things go before we open new holes on the team.

Why do that have to do these things now before they make any moves? Wouldn’t that signal intentions and give others value that they have to out bid you? You have to be under the CAP at the start of FA period and then the CAP shifts to top 51 salaries - and you can go through the tampering and signing period and make deals without the restructuring in place - then you restructure when you need to - therefore only having to do what you need - when you need it. Beane has done this year over year - including restructuring Diggs and White late after FA last year to free up the rookie money and salary for emergency signings and cut players. There is no need to rush these things - decisions like Beasley can come after the first wave if they want - especially if teams miss out on Kirk or maybe he decides to restructure if nothing is going his way.

What I love most about this is now Copper is going to the offense Cousins was a big part of in Minnesota that ran WRs out before Stefanski left. The current Cleveland offense is going to have Cooper talking to himself from week 3 on when RBs and TEs rule the team and he gets 5-6 targets for 2-3 catches a game and at least 2 throws are not even close.

Even if he bounces back - he is what - the 3rd best QB in the division and now maybe the 8-9 best QB in the AFC? That is assuming some of the younger QBs don’t jump over him. You could do worse, but only slightly in the AFC. He is in a TE-centric offense of Stefanski that has had a number of good WRs over the years in Minnesota and Cleveland and every time the WRs complain because of the offense. Now they get a classic complainer at WR and have lost their top 2 and people expect Baker to become something he has never been. The Browns will win games, but they will do it on the strength of running and TE play. The QB and the WRs are essentially irrelevant in that scheme.

Where is crappy fans that question everything. I think the lack of Super Bowls is directly related to you as a fan. Your negativity caused angst and created the issue - you are the reason - plain and simple. JHC - what garbage.

Agreed - they did this some with Tre’ early in the season - especially against KC. They mixed Man/Zone with safeties to the middle and LBs outside. If they had a real man corner - they could mix things up even more and protect the middle with athletes.

Neither - it is a garbage tweet by a guy ridiculed for throwing poop at the wall and being wrong. Nothing legitimate to it. He probably got confused because the Steelers are letting their drafted Edmunds go.

Since even the OP posted several people ragging on the Tweet and questioning the last time this guy was right - could we lock this until real rumors from actual insiders have something? It has just become a Edmunds hate thread - like the others on the board.

Not sure, but didn’t Steelers fans dislike Terrell and they declined his option - so he is a FA. His brother was on the PS and a futures only. Not sure family makes sense as a reason.

The baby is the OP and smells like it needs a diaper change. JC

Except they did no have the draft pick this year to get this done. Their poor draft handling of last year moved their pick lower than ours. They did not have the ammo to get this done without adding more 1sts and probably some better players.