Rochesterfan

I am not exactly sure what they are required to do. For example on NFL radio today - they were talking about Cameron Brate’s concussion last night. He got hit and they tested him - he was cleared of the protocol and went back in to play. The guys stated that the UNC and the team doctor are required to perform the testing again every couple of series because some times the delayed effects. Brate on retesting was deemed to have a concussion and was pulled out at that point. So even though Tua cleared it is possible that the expectations are that he would get tested in case of delayed effects. I had never heard of the multiple testing, but the UNC the NFL guys were talking with said it is standard and done - just rarely talked about.

I expect Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, and Shakir to be ready to go. We have Hodgins and Austin on the PS. Stevenson also just completed his 4 game IR stint if we want to activate him to fill Crowders spot on the roster. I think we are fine.

Except that is not true. If a lead blocker is coming through a potential hole - it is Edmunds job to go hit that blocker in the hole. The idea is to fill the hole and ensure the blocker is removed and there should be a free defender to attack the hole and make the tackle. That defender is usually Milano or Taron Johnson. That was what happened at the goal line TFL by Milano. Edmunds met Ricard in the hole closing the inside lane and forced the outside path. The DL took out the the pulling Raven - allowing a free Milano to attack the play and make the tackle. To man people think LBs should always avoid the blockers, but in this defense - each player has a role and when done properly - there should be 1 free defender the majority of the time to make a play - the difficulty is against a running QB like Jackson (or Allen) the QB is no longer a non entity and it potentially takes away the free player advantage.

That is correct. I believe Singletary went down because he felt the Raven coming and wanted to protect the ball and ensure he did not get pushed-dragged into the end zone. At that point the Bills still needed a 1st down to ensure they could run the clock out.

To me it is the major problem with analytics. The math said go, but the math does not always take every probable scenario into account and make factors - along with things like the weather. I don’t blame him going for it, but the scenario of him throwing a pick there did not really seem to be something that occurred to Harbaugh. Basically after the game he was like either we score or we give them the ball inside the 2 and I trust my defense in that spot to stop them. The Int destroyed that possibility.

Where they needed to let him score was the quick screen to Singletary. They had already given up nearly 20 yards and another 1st down - once he broke free - the Ravens should of been grabbing him and trying to escort him into the end zone - do not let him go down, but they had multiple players from behind and the side finally come in and make a play to get him down. That was with 1:50 left and they had to use a timeout. I would like to think Devin knew because I totally agree on his 8 yard run - he was not scoring and Josh was not scoring unless either player was physically grabbed and pulled into the end zone. It worked out in the worst possible way for Baltimore as he went down outside the 10 allowing the Bills to get another 1st down and use the rest of the clock.

And just did the same with Bates.

That is probably the best way to think about it. Now with all that said - I would not be surprised to see if practicing and the 21 days start for him - especially since we have an open roster spot if that want to see if he is ready for this weekend. We will know more as they get back into practice.

I don’t think that is correct. The 21 days refers to the point they move him from inactive PUP to Active PUP. Sal talked about Ike - who is also on PUP and most likely will not be ready until week 12 or so and then the Bills can move him to active PUP and then use their 3 weeks.

I believe you guys are combining a few rules. The Bills can move him to active PUP to allow him to start practicing and that starts the 21 days. The Bills do not have to activate him yet though - that is their choice. They can leave him on inactive PUP for the season as long as they want. Once they move him to Active Pup - he can practice without taking a roster spot for up to 3 weeks and then they need to either place him on the active roster or IR him. For example - Tre might be ready to move to active PUP and with the Crowder injury there is an open roster spot if they want him active Roster, but Ike who is also on PUP might not even be looked at until week 11 or 12 and that is fine.

I believe other than game 1 they have been forced to call up 2 position players for DL and CB to help cover for injuries. They get limited call ups and had to cover the injuried spots first. Maybe Johnson gets called up one we get through this rash of injuries and they have a spot to call him up. It looks like versus Pittsburgh - we are going to need WR and maybe 2 WRs or another DL if Phillips isn’t back - so I do not see a spot o Johnson this week. JMO

It is not necessarily for you - we all do it. We pitch our tents on a mountain/hill and die there. It is good to have discussions back and forth with proof and reasoning as that helps us grow. It is bad to have back and forths where it is - I think this and I am right - especially when everyone else is going - wait maybe you need to look at this. I don’t know maybe it is just the new world, but there must be room for opinions if people have valid reasons that they share.

People are more than willing to have constructive criticism - he issue is the few that push a narrative, but do not really discuss. They just keep stating the same incorrect garbage over and over - even when there has been concrete proof to show the other side. For example - here was a huge complaint by a specific poster about how McD was to blame for not challenging the Davis “catch” in the Miami game. Tons of proof as provided stating why it was not a TD, but the poster just kept repeating it was a catch with no poof. It is fine to present your case, but when you are the only one that sees it a certain way and your whole reason is that is how you feel - maybe express yourself once or twice and then move on rather than making it crusade over and over.

We have one that started this thread and also started a thread about it was better when the Bills were losing. That is the subset of fans we are dealing with. You are correct - they will never be happy and will complain about everything with coaching until we are back to the Jaurons and Rex Ryan’s and last in the division.

That is exactly what I thought - they can call up Austin or Hodgins from the PS, but use the roster spot for White. Then see where we are next week.

I believe tomorrow is the earliest to activate him as there is still a Monday night game so week 4 is not technically over yet. I would assume depending upon other injuries and how they want to handle things - the Bills will move him to active PUP this week, but only promote him to the active roster if they have the roster spot available. I think they would want to get him several days to get into “football” shape and moving around others before placing him in a game. I expect they are looking at KC and maybe using him in a few minor roles helping out as CB/Safety in coverage to build him back up - especially as Elam, Jackson, and Benford have looked good when in place - although KC is a different beast from the teams we have played.

Basically exactly what you were told in the other thread. This is not a catch because in the act of making the catch - he goes to the ground (due to the tackle) before completing the catch and therefore must maintain the catch through the ground which he did not do. It is very different from the Davis end zone play, but neither were a TD based on how the league rules catches.

My biggest question with Denver was always coaching. For all of the complaining Wilson did in Seattle - I think Pete Carroll was the perfect coach for him and did a ton to let him sort of play the loose, free style he plays. Without Pete and on a poorly coached team - things fall on Russ that in Seattle just got deflected away and this has shone a spotlight on that odd personality that Wilson has. In my gut - I think Wilson is an over the top introvert that is playing in the most extroverted position in major league sports and the move to Denver is not going to end well as Russ is not the leader people expected.

They have struggled many times with the QB sneak. Most notably the game against Tennessee at the goal line, but other times prior to that. Mitch is not a big bruising center and Josh has issues taking the snap like that from under center and the two have caused issues even in games where he has gotten the first down like Dallas on Thanksgiving. In addition Josh has taken some big shots in QB sneak situations - I think his height and size makes him a bit awkward and he does not get that surprise snap and lean. Early years he was consistently good at getting first downs, but as the OL has struggled in the run game his ability to burrow forward has not been as good and they have been stopped - so I think they have sort of pulled it from the playbook for now.

Maintains control is the key. If he catches the ball diving out of bounds and just barely drags both toes as he goes nearly horizontal and catches the ball with even just the tips of his fingers and he never reacts to say tuck the ball in or bring it back at all, but MAINTAINS CONTROL of the ball through ground - it is a catch as maintaining control is the football action. If as you say - when he lands - if the ball hits the ground or he has to regains control, but is now out of bounds - then it would be incomplete. Completing the action of the catch by going to the ground and maintaining control of the ball is the action required. If the see any movement - it will be incomplete. Although not OOB - there was a nice example in the GB/NE game where Rodgers threw it to the end zone- his WR caught the ball and took 2 steps as he was tackled from behind. Even though he took 2 steps and tucked the ball away - all the elements needed - as he was going to the ground - he also had to maintain control through the ground and it was obvious that even though it was tucked away - the ground knocked the ball loose and it hit the ground and was therefore incomplete.

I don’t know, but that is how it is taught and when have you ever seen a WR make a catch on the sideline and the mark the ball up field at a spot prior to the catch. I think you just are not finding the right section and are trying way to hard. It is actually called pretty consistently exactly as I have stated and it is exactly what we are taught in clinics. The biggest difference in lower sports is what establishes in bounds - one foot versus two feet - etc.

If he drags his feet in bounds - he does not have to make a football move - he just has to maintain control of the ball through the action of going to the ground. His feet being down in bounds with possession- establishes the marker of where he is. The action of the catch is completed by maintaining the control through the ground in this case because he was diving. He needs 2 feet down, or a knee, butt, lower leg, anything that counts for establishing the in bound portion and then maintain control to the ground.

Again it simply does not matter because for it to be a catch the player MUST BE IN THE FIELD OF PLAY. This is not rocket science. It does not matter where the ball is because the player is in bounds to make it a legal catch. The only time the ball being out of the field of play matters is when the person possessing the ball leaves the field of play and lands out of bounds. And even then - the sideline only matters it the ball leaves the field of play after the possessor of the ball leaves the field of play and before he lands out of bounds. In you example - the ball would be marked where he caught the ball and was established in bounds. For example - he dives and has both toes down and catches the at the 35 - the ball is a 3 yards out of bounds, but it would be spotted where he was in bounds. If he was a yard short - he could not make the catch and as he is falling out of bound - extend his arm forward trying to get the extra yard because he is no longer established in bounds.

Because for it to be a catch he must be established in bounds with 2 feet down or a knee, butt, leg, anything that establishes a catch. And therefore that is the last spot the the player was inbound - which is the first part of marking the ball - even if he is heading out of bounds or landing immediately out of bounds. Additionally the ball does not have to leave the field of play to be out of bounds. If a player is out of bounds and touches the ball - the ball is considered out of bounds even if it is still 6 feet in bounds. A guy can fumble and if a player has a toe out of bound - lies down and hit the ball - it is a dead ball at that point. Same with a kick off. The first rule of spotting is alway with the player - where is the player in bounds on the field. Once the player gives up being in bound by leaving his feet and landing out of bounds - the next marking is the spot the ball leaves the field of play.

Nope because for it to be a catch - the player must be in bounds. If the player is in bounds then that is where the ball is spotted. It is just like a RB on the sideline - the ball while he is running can go out of bounds as long as the runner stays in bounds. Once the player gets hit or leaves his feet - if he does not come down in bound again - then where the ball crossed out of bounds is where it should be marked. The sideline only comes into play when the player is no longer established in bounds. The ball is marked based upon the player being in bound at their last spot on the sideline. It is why a pass does not have to be in the field of play to be a TD or a catch. It has to be thrown by a guy in the field of play and the receiver must be established in the field of play - then it is a completion regardless if the ball is in the field of play or not.