Rochesterfan

Amazing the Bills can get a deal done with under 3 minutes and get it all in and approved. Thank god for a competent front office. for Beane!

Wow - this on top of the anger of the coaching staff with the Garapolo deal. This team is just the definition of dysfunction. The coaching staff complained because the front office was gone yesterday before 5pm and the Garapolo trade went down in the evening and the coaching staff had to let the front office know. What a joke. Might as well have Buddy Nix asleep for FA.

There are things that he has done this year - the throw to Tate for a TD is a good example - where did that throw come from and why does he make it there, but misses other opportunities. Yes - I know all QBs miss opportunities, but if you are going to make very limited throws - you need to reduce the missed opportunities- just like the turnovers. Just as I did not think the end of last year defined him - I do not think anything you see the rest of this year will define him - his definition is already out there. He is defined. He is exactly what you said an average QB. He does not suck, but he also does not deserve a starting job - he deserves to compete for a starting job and a smart team would be looking for ways to move on - which is what the Bills are doing. I wanted to see what EJ could do last year (in a meaningful game not that joke of a game against NY) because what we need to know is TT holding back the offense or is he making the offense and the team around him sucks. I feel the same way this year - I would love to see what Peterman could do with a full week of prep work in a meaningful game to know if what we are seeing is design flaws or QB flaws. We saw it under Marrone when he benched EJ for Orton- the entire offense changed. The team became a passing offense and although Orton was Orton and had a ton of warts - you suddenly saw what the offense could do and that the OC was hampered by QB play under EJ. Currently as we are on TT's 3rd OC - I would love to know if the limitations that they all seem to impose on TT are QB flaw driven or have we had 3 really bad OC's? EJ was never the answer to show us anything, but you did see 2 years ago when TT was out - a lot of throws by EJ into areas that TT would not throw consistently- you also saw why EJ was a back-up with the turnovers. I want to see if a guy willing to throw on time makes the offense move better or does it lead to more mistakes and we need that steady play at the position.

Great - yet his best games are against Seattle and Denver teams that top Elite level defenses and are games he he had no Sammy Watkins at all. Games against Oakland (one of the worst pass defenses and having Sammy Watkins) was some of his worst play. We had well over 200 yards rushing and got very little from the passing game. The defense let us down in the game, but we also needed more out of the QB position. i think TT does better against some Man defense where he can tell his guy is open and several top defenses run mostly man. He really struggles against good zone and combo defenses where you need to throw into specific windows to be good. Denver and Seattle- he could see if his guys were open and delivered the ball. Carolina this year ran combo covers and typically plays a lot of zone and they switched it up and TT and the offense never adjusted. Would he be better with all kinds of weapons against a bottom tier defense? Probably, but history has shown us that his best games are against better defenses and his top couple of games are without Sammy.

Lot's of interesting stuff, but being honest do you really think it matters at all to TT's game? I can honestly say - I do not believe the strength of the defense matters one little bit to TT's game. He has had some of his best games against top flight elite level defenses and some of his worst games against teams in the very bottom of the league in terms of pass defense. Week to week he plays a very similar games - completes enough passes to move the ball, but not enough to be a difference maker. He keeps us in games by managing turnovers, but does not do enough to pull out games routinely at the end. The difference between winning and losing is can our defense keep us in the lead throughout - if that happens TT can help maintain the lead and win, but if the team falls behind - it is an uphill struggle to win the game. I appreciate all of the effort, but I think it amounts to absolutely nothing. TT is about as steady as you can get - it just is not good enough to be a viable winning franchise. I expect the next couple of weeks will play out like the first couple of weeks did - a few good games, a few sub par games and about 50 more threads from both cults that push their agendas with no room to see that he is what he is and what he has been. The line has little impact, the WRs, the TEs, the oppents defense - none of that has much impact on the game.

Explain Cam Newton going number 1 then - if race and mobility is what dropped TT - then why did it not impact Cam. TT was a late round pick because of his size and his accuracy/passing ability. If he was 6-5 and 240 with the same athletic ability he had - he might have gone higher. If he had won in college - he may have gone higher. What you have is a guy with rare athletic talent - maybe only 1 or 2 guys ever have been as gifted from the QB position to move the way he does. The difference is what is lacking in his game and that has nothing to do with the color of his skin. He is a hard worker, he is a good leader, but he is a below average QB that needs a lot of help. I understand there is a lot more to the article, but this is the reason the author chose to highlight those quotes- it brings attention to an article that could stand on its merits, but in this bait click era (an the BN with their new pay wall is feeding this) the controversy is what sells. Two thumbs down To both the BN for promoting it this way and this poster for feeding into it.

The Union needs to look for another Upshaw. The players have lost almost 7% of the total revenue since D. Smith took over and all they got a decrease in practice time for losing the money. It also seems to lead to a few more injuries because the players are not in game shape. D. Smith has been bad for the players and he is going to make it worse because he is already looking to fight the wrong battles - spending huge money on court cases because he did not do his job at the bargaining table and he refuses to work with the league on anything. Upshaw worked with the league (some may say to close), but he got the players things and he did it without lawsuits and threats.

AFL - they made it clear already - they are using the federal standard. If a Bronco player got it legally from a Colorado Doctor and tested positive- BAM no difference that a Buffalo player - into the treatment program. It is allowed in several states, but is still a federal crime and the new administration is looking to go back on it legality at the state level.

I disagree with this completely- the timeout is always a consideration. Think about the impact if he challenges and loses the challenge there. We get the ball back with 40 seconds and 1 timeout or we get the ball with about 20 seconds and 2 timeouts left and we basically kneel and let the half end - that potentially changes the entire outlook of the game. Instead we have 42 seconds - 2 timeouts and we go for points. That decision had huge implications for a replay that gets overturned very rarely and this year even less than past years.

Totally irrelevant as he started going to the ground on his own and therefore to complete the catch he needed to possess the ball through the ground. Now if it had been ruled a catch and a fumble by Tolbert - then the breaking of the plane by the ball would have mattered, but since it was ruled incomplete - I do not think they overturn that.

I agree for the most part - I think they need to review in either case. The issue is if they rule a TD just to allow the review - it is hard to overturn - so you are benefiting one outcome over another. I think the ruling on the field stands and a challenge there becomes a wasted timeout - which impacts our scoring drive before the half and therefore this small decision has major impact later in the game. Another good decision by McD - I believe.

I agree - they also wanted a back-up that could come out of the back field and make caches - something else JW had not done much of. I think JW was the better RB, but Tolbert is a more complete player and fits things they want out of the backup. Since JW struggled in pass protection and pass catching and could not play special teams - he did not have a designated role. Banyard and TJ both have special teams ability that they wanted for a 3rd string RB. I believe that have a pretty good idea of what they wanted out of the roster at each position for both starters , back-ups, and 3rd stringers in relation to roles they needed those guys to perform.

I don't disagree, but if things like Cogs grabbing the Bronco's player leg and lifting it to get him to the ground have no impact - why did Cogs feel the need to do it. It was a bush league move by Cogs and I think it should of been called - there was no reason to do it, but he purposely reach out and grabbed his lower leg as he tried to pursue McCoy. I think there were some suspect calls, but many were borderline and the Refs make a call based upon where they were standing at the time. OL get a lot of benefit of the doubt to the inside where Kyle and usually Dareus make noise, but guys get called when the tackles move outside and leave the guards visible to the Refs. If our OTs were better and our QB stayed more in the pocket - many of the calls go away, but the tackles have to get so deep and TT moves and those expose the guards to the holding calls.

Good Luck - I hope you see how sad the board is to see you go

Go and read from the official stats net passing yards - it was 193 - that was the only reason I asked because I figured he would be close and have sacks. The NFL does not include scrambles in net passing yards - sorry. Yeah I am watching a lot of games - your point being that we should not want a guy with more consistency. Yes there is a lot of bad QBing around the league including in Buffalo - teams should always be looking to get better. This is what makes TT so difficult- if he was consistent like this week - more people would trust him and if he was consistent like last week - we could easily move on, but he is inconsistent and shows one week he understands what they are looking for and one week he doesn't.

Damn I called it right - squeaked over 200 yards passing and under 200 net passing - pretty much exactly what I expected. TT made some nice plays - still late on throws, but he made plays. Many of the plays he made this week - were available last week - today he made the throws and last week he didn't. The perfect example was the TD to Clay late across the middle to the wide open guys and last week he had that throw to O'Leary and tried to fit it in to a tightly covered FB.

That is exactly what Baltimore did last year stop Shady and force TT to beat them. There will be games that a team puts 8-9 guys in the box and Shady will break 1-2 long runs because of a crease. I think the key is the horizontal zones in the passing game - getting guys that are covered 1:1 and hitting them in stride as they move through a zone. That spreads the defense out opening up lanes to pass and run. What I find scary about this is the outside zone rushing attack is designed to attack DEs and OLBs and that is supposed to open up the middle part of the field - which we exploited in game 1. Carolina used Kechely as a Spy many times - just watching TT and moving where gaps in the DLine would open up and that left him in the short middle of the field much of the game - so the openings needed to be deeper middle and quick slants. As I have said in other threads - I think this offense plays into the strengths of the WRs and TEs and FBs we have and should work for Shady as a running back, but it does not play into the strengths of TT. I think they want to see what these guys can do and then look this off season for the QB that fits what they want - be that a more experienced Peterman, a rookie, or a veteran from another team. I also think that the right side of the OLine needs improvement before we are ready to go.

I understand everyone's concern, but I think we all remember last year by how the whole season played out - not a couple of games. The NYJ game this year was better than the first 2 games last year combined by nearly 50 yards and Ithink they could of run for more in that game - they opened holes all over. The Carolina game which looked terrible was still better than Baltimore last year and almost as good as the rushing attack versus the Jets in Game 2 last year. Yes we see some of the same issues cropping up, but teams that have strong fast LBs and a good DL are going to give most teams trouble in the running game. The running game works in his offense in conjunction with the passing game. If a team can stop one or the other for long stretchs it is going to look bad. They need to get a least one aspect working to take pressure off from the other and open it up. They had the exact same issue in Baltimore last year where neither could get going until Baltimore backed off late in the game.

I am not in because I say both positive and negative things as I see fit and I will not limit that for a useless bet, but I think we need to clear up one thing are we talking net or gross passing yards? I unfortunately do not see the Bills winning, but I think it could come down to a last minute play again. My concern is the argument about passing yards as I could see TT squeaking over 200 yards, but taking 5 sacks for -30 yards and having to listen to both side argue about whether he hit 200 yards especially if some how they make the play at the end for a win. My gut right now is saying the lose and under 200 crowd is going to be doing a lot of talking just because of how active the front 7 is and how tight the back end plays for Denver. I do not think this bodes well, but Seattle was a shock so it could happen again.

I have posted this several times - I do not expect them to try and fit the offense to TT at all. He is a bridge to the next guy. They are building their offense for the coming years and TT is not a part of that plan. They were looking to bring in WCO slot WRs that can run a bunch of routes from all over the field. They are looking for RBs, FBs, and TEs that can run a and catch so they can utilize the entire width of the field. It is a very horizontal concept with multiple levels where you need your QB to read one guy and decide between 2 routes. This is not a fit for TT, but hopefully tells you what they are looking for in their next QB. If they wanted to build for TT - the offense and the players need to be very different. Rex and Roman (& Lynn) were using TT as the QB of the future so they designed an offense to fit him. I believe Dennison could build plays that better fit TT, but that destroys what they want. McD has repeatedly said they are building a team. They have a offense they want and are going to run it to try and determine who fits and who doesn't as they move forward. I think about 1/2 way through the season they will change QBs and we will see what looks like a totally different offense with a more rhythm passer. I think they are trying to win with TT - a safe QB- but they do not want to build around him so they are trying to fit him into the concept they want run.

Need a little of both - along with not the best route. The throw was a bit to far inside, Zay cut the route a bit to far toward the sidelines. Zay got both hands on the ball, but awkward - that is maybe a 50/50 catch - so a bit of a drop. all around a play that is just not good enough by either player.

Not only is it unrealistic, but it requires very different players for a TT designed offense versus a WCO. If the team is looking long term (and I think they are) then you bring in WCO style WRs - guys like Zay and Jordan and you utilize RBs and FBs and TEs that can run patterns to the flat and the seam. If you think TT is your QB - you want taller, faster WRs so you can throw the go routes and deep routes. The Bills allowed the taller, faster receivers to leave and brought in specific WCO WRs - I think they are looking long term and are asking TT to do his best in what is not an ideal system.

I think some of this is right - Dennison is in this for the long haul not just what can we do this year. If they felt TT was the long term answer - then you design an offense around him. If the plan is to build an offense and you plan on drafting a QB - then you design the offense and see what TT can do in it.

I think TT is and can be an NFL QB, but the offense has to be designed 100% around him. You need to have a team committed to him and build that team to run specific patterns. The issue is this is not the offense for him and as this coaching staff is looking long term - not immediate results - they are installing an offense for the future and TT is not part of that future. If he worked out - great, but it is not. It sucks for TT and the fans, but the point is that this team is building for the long term and are not going to design plays that just fit what TT does and mess with the development of the rest of the team for the future. We will see more of the overall offense with Peterman, but he needs some time.

I am stopping after your first sentence. TS and TT are 2 very different QBs. TS is willing to throw the ball on time and therefore the offense works. We saw in preseason game 3 after TT went out how the design of the offense is supposed to work here with Peterman running it. The offense works if your QB throws on time - if not we get games like Carolina. I agree with something Sal said yesterday - TT has always been the best athlete and at some point probably in HS and college- he was taught if he was the least bit unsure of the throw - tuck and run because of your legs and speed. That is how he has played and it is very hard to learn to trust receivers and throw on time. I would of liked McCoy here, but I do not think his offense would look like it does with TT running it. You flip the coordinators and we have this same discussion about by McCoy is struggling. This is the same concepts Roman was trying to build in year 2 and it cost him his job because Taylor is not a rhythm passer.