Rochesterfan

Really, his numbers this year with Rico are nearly identical to his numbers under Lynn and Roman. TT’s numbers did not change. The running attack took a step back from #1 to #6 and that was basically the difference in offense. Smith also had an incredible year this year putting differences between TT normal year and what Smith can do at his best. I am not sure Smith provides you a whole lot more than TT, but I think he is an improvement. I would much rather have him mentor a young QB than TT because he can at least read the field. I do not care if it is Smith or someone else from FA, but I do not want to see TT out their doing his thing anymore 3 years and 3 OC’s and people still think he is not the problem.

Good Grief - some of you guys are just insane. Tony’s Job is to get hits and watches - he makes an over the top statement and puts #billsmafia because that will get traction and get him hits. Then you get into this thread and people are arguing whether he is the worst or not and bringing up names like: EJ, Tebow, Bortles, Billy Joe and for god’s sake Joe Dufek. What I know is Tony went over the top - he is obviously not the worst passer, but if you are bringing up these names as a response- it is also obvious he is very bad. In the end - TT is what we have been saying he is for 3 years now - a great athlete playing the QB position. Whether he goes someplace else and starts or is a back-up, he played hard for us and I respect that. I will also be happy to see him gone because he just is not good enough and he makes it impossible to gauge what your team and coaching staff is like. This thread is just icing on the cake of TT’s Buffalo career. You have his defenders and his haters working hard to find QBs either worse than him or guys like Bortles that he is on par with. That should tell you everything, but by tomorrow we will have 3 or 4 more LAMP threads stating either why TT should stay or why he must go. Let this thread with his comparisons to Tebow and Bortles be the death toll for this QB and let’s move on to bashing whoever is new.

It is clear he adapted throughout the year. He had several roll-out, QB draws, RPO’s etc - the things everyone asked for all year. The line repeatedly talked about how they adapted to more power runs with Cogs pulling. To say say he did not adapt is just the easy way out. He adapted - Sal even had a great take on this. The issue is TT did not adapt and get better from the pocket. Dennison made changes, but needed and asked for more from TT and could not get it.

Look he adapted and tried to make things better throughout the season, but when your QB is so limited you can’t even call an RPO at the goal line like other real NFL teams - then there are bigger issues than the OC. For the year - even with the snow game - he got basically the same thing out of TT that the last 2 OC got. The difference was his running attack was not as strong, but we were by far the best the last 2 years and last year was insane and not necessarily sustainable. We were still top 10 running with his attack and just like the last 2 OC bottom 5 passing. I think it reflects more on QB play than OC since this is 3 different OCs with the same result. With all that said - I have no issue with trying to improve, but do not give me a retread like McCoy that keeps failing. If you have a new young guy to try with a young QB - go for it.

Happy - I get what you are saying, but is this not the issue with Taylor overall. If you can not trust Taylor with RPO’s in a situation that you know they are going to stack the box and leave you stud WR 1:1 then when are you going to trust him. Look people complain about Dennison for all of the shortcomings of the offense this year, but what do you want him to do. We complain that he does not move TT around and yet when they do move him outside on roll-outs - he was not very successful unlike SF 2 weeks ago. People wanted more RPO’s to give TT a chance to make these choices, but when they are called and the QB fails - everyone complains why would you call that there - even though it is standard NFL playcall near the end zone. People wanted call QB runs, and when they are called and fail it is complained about. The fact seems to be that Dennison is forced and constrained in what can be called because TT is a subpar QB. The fact that our OC is unable to call a very consistent and standard play call like an RPO is a huge part of the issue.

I thought the TD catch was fine - you could see both feet down and the ball did not come loose - so you could see control the whole time - this has been a TD for a while no change. If you could see the exact moment Benjamin had complete control - his would have been a TD, but because the ball bounces from his hands to his chest/stomach and you can not tell when he has control and his foot comes up - I can see that being ruled incomplete. The Charles Clay play was also obvious and the correct call - we actually got lucky because if they had decided he was fully back in bounds - it would of been an illegal touching and not only incomplete, but a penalty also. The interception- the ball moves a lot, but I never saw an angle showing it definitely hit the ground. It was close, but he had his arm under it and then roles and with the dark ball and the shading I never saw it make obvious contact with the ground. In my Bills heart - I hoped for an overturn, but I thought it was the correct call.

Really Mike McCoy - Why? He went to Denver and was fired because his QBs did significantly worse than when Dennison was there. I would not want Mike McCoy near this team as OC. You want him to Be QB coach - maybe, but stay away from the offense. The Denver fans that wanted Dennison gone - were missing him by week 4 before McCoy was finally released.

He can’t normally play that way because typically the other team has a QB that can force him into coverage. His game today was part of the sell out to stop the run and we are not afraid of Bortles beating us through the air. The Bills and the Jags are about the only team you can run that scheme against and get away with it.

What???? Yes his 3 points and his indecisive play nearly brought us to victory. I thank him for his effort and wish him well on travel to another team. I really hope hope that was the last time I have to see him in a Bills uniform.

Not a horse collar or a penalty.

I have no issue at all - TT trying to run and the Jag making a tackle - this is a non issue in my eyes - it happens in football. You out want to stop that - put a collar on the players to stop the head snap.

Yes - the bills had been averaging less than 2 yards a run and you have KB 1:1 against a smaller CB -with a good QB that is a touchdown all of the time.

Yes - he has been calling roll-outs , called QB runs, RPO’s etc. They have moved the ball - they need better play from some of the players.

Based on what - not passing yards, Rushing yards, TDs, - not sure what he is better at.

He has been calling a great game - doing everything people wanted. The play appeared to be an RPO - so that is on Taylor. In addition - everyone has been complaining- pass on first downs and get KB involved. When they try that people complain - run the ball 3 times if needed. Just crazy.

Done this a bunch and TT has not taken advantage.

Happy - it did not need to be that tight - ball needs to come out on time.

O’Leary runs into a DE preventing him from getting out - right play call bad luck.

And it was not on the pass we threw.

Bad Whistle

You act like that group got us to the playoffs the last 3-4 years. They have not and Sammy even admitted his attitude created issues - so No I do not automatically think the Bills would be better. We know Dareus had issues. The staff made changes that ticked the fans off and made people assume we were tanking, but the acquisitions of Hyde and Poyer and Kyle providing leadership brought them together as a team and whatever McDermott did - the culture and the attitude to play for each other worked. I think they have less talent, but are a better team and that has made a huge difference. Just look at the reaction when Brandon Tate made a first down or Kyle scored a TD - that is a team playing for each other and that is why I think they are here. Therefore I do not assume players with me first attitudes (Sammy/Dareus) would of helped get this team to the playoffs. Additionally - it was not a 9 win team - they had not won 9 games in 2 years - they were a below .500 team with those players you spoke of last year.

Ok - so using that logic how would you feel if the Bills fumble there and a Dolphin player clearly out of bounds recovers the fumble and is awarded the ball. Is that ok? That exact situation comes up several times throughout the year including early this season for the Bills where the review took forever to see if a ball fumbled near the sidelines was touched or recovered by a player out of bounds. I am not sure what you are looking for with intent - intent is what is causing the catch rule to be very difficult ( where exactly does possession occur and football moves). This is a black and white rule that we should be looking for more of. No matter the reason if a ball is loose and someone touching the out of bounds boundary touches the ball - it is dead. There is no interpretation or gray with it - therefore it can be interpreted the same each time - even if the guy was not trying to recover the ball - he just happened to touch it. The issue with the rule is typically it is not clear because with the fumble usually there is a mad scramble and a pile of bodies and to see exactly who is in bounds and who is out of bounds is the issue - the rule is not the problem it is the increase in camera angles and HD frame by frame film that changes the game and is making replay very difficult compared to 5 or 10 years ago.

Sorry you really lost me with this one. The ruling was that ASJ lost possession before breaking the plain and you can clearly see that for a second the ball is completely free from his hands. They cross the goal line and hit the pylon - out of bounds. Therefore the ball was ruled dead at that spot - since the ball was the Jets and the fumble crossed the goal line and then was considered out of bounds - by rule that is a touchback for the Patriots. This is actually consistent with the ruling in the Bills game. ASJ was deemed out of bounds upon full control and therefore if it had been at the 2 yard line like Landry’s the Jets would have maintained possession - the difference is the fumble crossed the plain and therefore a different rule takes effect where if the offensive team fumbles before reaching the goal line and the ball crosses the plain and goes out of bounds it is a touchback for the defending team. There are several issues I have with that ruling because you can not tell when he regains possession, but if the decision was that possession was not regained until he hit out of bounds - they got the call correct. If he had possession before hitting the ground it is incorrect. I personally think he regained possession and it should have been a TD, but I hate the Pats so that colors the decision.

I totally disagree. The rule is pretty specific - if a loose ball is touched by a player out of bounds - the ball is out of bounds. There is no intent. You are making it much more complex than it needs to be. If he was out of bounds and touching the ball at all - it is out of bounds. It it would be the same issue if the defender touched it out of bounds. Additionally if a kickoff is in bounds, but the receiver reaches and touches it and he is out of bounds - the kick-off is considered out of bounds.

Actually it appears he is and they got the call right. Nice picture 2 posts after yours showing it.