Rochesterfan

This is is my approach also. You have the ability to kick the ball or even put your offense out with a chance to get 10 (start here) or even 15 yards (if needed) and keep the ball. The punt eliminates the big contacts from running starts and the wedge. I would even keep the out of bounds rule on the new “Kick-off” so teams can not try to pin you deep by putting the ball out of bounds.

It seems pretty obvious that the Cards would have picked Allen over Rosen as multiple NFL guys stated they were trying to get up at least to the Bucs spot and now we are hearing Broncos to pick Allen. Therefore they got “stuck” with Rosen and still had to move up because they did not think Rosen would make it to their pick. The only reason I think the Cards could have been a threat is if Denver decided they did not want Allen in the AFC.

I believe when they build the new stadium downtown and it will have a hotel there - that is when they will move training camp.

I listened to a bunch of different Palmer clips and you are correct - he almost always was talking up Josh Allen’s work ethic and improved footwork, but only mentioned Darnold some - never really talking him up. I think Darnold with the USC pedigree and coaching probably did not need or get as much out of Palmer. He has been groomed for this for years - so this was mostly fine tuning for Darnold. For Allen - I believe this was boot camp 101 and he needed to absorb the training like a sponge and therefore was going to show improvement that was not available to Darnold. I also think Darnold was a bit more settled in his draft position- he was never really mocked to fall past 3. It could be 1 to Cleveland or 2 in a trade/NYG or 3 with the Jets. Allen on the other hand was mocked as high as 1 and down in the teens - so for Palmers own career- talking up Allen and getting him in the top 10 improves his cache with clients. I do think it is funny how repeatedly he talked about how close Allen and Darnold were during this training and what great guys they were and now they are rivals in the same division- funny how that works.

Would love it, but Jordan stated on NFL radio - he was happy doing what he is doing. I don’t think he wants to take on the year round rigors of a coaching position. He makes great money working a couple of months with these guys and is becoming a go to guy - especially after Darnold’s Pro Day where everyone was raving about how Palmer put together his throws to highlight skill and minimize mistakes.

Not sure about the bust part actually. If they keep getting players and putting together seasons -there is no reason to think they may not get another shot if he busts. They are showing what we all know FOs of the past needed to do. Identify and get your players. If love everything else he does, but he misses on his first and only QB pick and you fire him in 3 years - why would anyone want to pick a QB. It does impact his legacy and how he is viewed, but if in 2or 3years they think Allen is a bust - They may get a second shot. The issue is can they recognize progress versus a failure because that is where Whaley failed. He had his EJ moment and never tried again -even when there were shots to be had. They then fell back into the pick up a castoff and let’s get through this.

Exactly put him in last years class or next years class and he is competing to be the first QB taken right at the top of the draft - just like this year.

Actually - Josh was highly rated at the end of last year also - so he did not rocket up the boards. The guy that rocketed up the boards based on last year was none other than the Browns boy Mayfield that was considered at best a 3rd round pick last year and became the #1 overall pick.

I agree - that is the question can he learn and the will it stick. It is part art of the reason they can not rush him this year. You need a lot of time to redevelop the muscle memory and if he plays and the bullets fly and he reverts - just reset the clock.

Changing a throwing motion or arm placement is very, very difficult and I do not think goes very well ever. That is inherent to the QBs passing. Better footwork and learning how to stride and square up is more teachable. The question becomes when under pressure do you revert. Many times - especially a guy with a rocket for an arm - they throw everything with just their arm and once shown proper feet placement they can improve. Watching QBs play - the arm motion changes very little for most QBs throw to throw, but their feet change every play depending on if they are on the move, pocket collapsing, getting pressure from the side, stepping up. I think the base is easier to teach than a change in arm motion. Additionally that is what Palmer has been working on. I wish I knew if it would work, but to me working the base is better than guys like Mahomes last year with a funky throwing motion they wanted to work on.

I don’t know if it is easy - mental reps and falling into old habits is very hard to break, but unlike many of these other QBs that focused solely on QB play since junior high - Josh did not have that luxury. He played multiple sports throughout school because of the size and if anyone thinks the coaching staff at Wyoming had the people and the time to devote to teaching one specific position the way he NFL does - they are crazy. What I loved about listening to Jordan Palmer leading up to the draft is how he kept talking about how coachable this guy was and how little he had been taught. Jordan worked with both Josh and Sam and gushed repeatedly about Josh in every interview I heard. He had good things to say about Sam, but the praise for Josh was on a different level. It was also noted that after working with Palmer for a few weeks - his accuracy, footwork, and play in the Senior Bowl was vastly improved. The work continued and his throws at the combine and his Pro Day and his private workouts was supposedly excellent. None of that means it will stick, but if as Palmer was saying - a lot of his issues with accuracy and touch were due to never learning proper footwork and throwing base - then yes he can improve. I will never expect him to lead the league in completion percentage- he is not Drew Brees or Brady, but if he can get better and make the needed throws on time - he can be a franchise level QB that can win you games in this league.

Jordan was saying it before he was drafted by the Bills. He was talking about how hard he worked on his footwork and how much that improved his overall accuracy. It was seen when he went to the Senior Bowl and was pretty accurate compared to what he had shown durning the regular season and was better at the combine and private workouts. Maybe growing up in a small town and going to a small school - he had a lot to be taught and Jordan said his work ethic was exceptional- so maybe with training and proper teaching he can get better. We will see, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and want to see him learn and grow. I would love to see the Bills bring in a guy to really work on those specific things and really develop this kid because he could be special, but if they do not keep him growing and learning - he could easily bust.

I think Allen would love that, but Palmer has a business training these guys to get ready for the NFL and it sounds like that is his love - not sure we could get him, but I would love it if he wanted to be a QB coach even on the side.

And Beane said today on WGR that TB and Denver both wanted both 1st round picks and Denver wanted more. So he gave up 2 late 2nds rather than both 1sts and maybe a 3rd. Not sure what is worse, but they held the 2nd 1st so we could get the LB - which was good because both top LB do not make it to our picks without the trade up.

And if Miami and Arizona took both QB and we were blocked out - you would be complaining about how this was the Big Ben all over again. The Bills got a top 4 QB and a guy that many pundits put at #1 throughout the process.

Jordan Palmer who has been working with Allen - said some of the same things. He praised him for how hard he was working on his footwork and how much his accuracy improved. He also raved about his work ethic and his sense of humor. I really think that once he gets NFL coaching and guys working specifically on those issues - you will see improvement. Does that mean he will be a star - NO, but I also think he has the ability to improve - so let’s see what happens. Palmer did say his accuracy improved greatly working on his footwork and praised his hard work. He also said he had an amazing arm and was someone he thought had huge potential. Of course it is his client, but he heaped praise on him over a guy like Darnold that was also his client.

Where do you get he does not know football- it was acknowledged at the combine he did some of e best whiteboard work. It sounds like he gets football just fine and is a hard worker. Let’s see what having a real coaching staff training him is like.

Yes because at that point there was only 1 team bidding - so they were not competing against another team. What we do not yet know is how teams had them rated, but the Cards did not have a ton of ammo - so if the Bills felt Allen was the guy and had him rated significantly higher than Rosen- great go get him. It sounds like the cards had Allen rated higher also and tried, but maybe had them closer. If we don’t trade up - you have TB sitting there to take another defensive player - a likely scenario is taking either Smith or Fitzpatrick - with Chicago taking the other - so the question is Miami sat still because they had a choice of Rosen or Fitzpatrick going to them because of the trade ups. Everything changes if the Bills decide to stay put - they may get Rosen or they may get shut out and based upon how they acted Rosen was not their pick - so either would have been bad. Look - I am on record as saying Allen was not the QB I wanted - I love watching Rosen play, but these guys look at so much more and if they think Allen is who they want based on talent and personality- then I would rather they get him and go all in than taking someone they are less happy with. I would much prefer they get their guy than not get a QB - the potential was there that if they wait they lose out and therefore they went up to get their guy.

Based on repots - nope - Arizona would of taken him at 7 instead of the Bills. Then the question is would the Bills have moved up for Rosen or does he get picked by Miami - where the ESPN guys were predicting him to go before the trades. So the real question is how do you feel if we stayed and 12 and got no QB and both the Jets and Dolphins got 2 of the top 4 QBs?

Two shots and the Pats didn’t want him - oops.

If both QBs were in the same draft - Allen most likely goes higher - so give me Allen and Tre all day long.

Who do they want and who did Cleveland draft. Once we have those answers- we can move up. Because Cleveland was not trading #1 and the Giants are not trading with the Jets - so they traded as high as they could get and way overpaid to get there.

Mayfield getting caught by the cops is worse.

Agreed, but it was done for a reason - so obviously it means something in the NFL view. To me it means less than the arrest of Mayfield and many other personal issues, but because of the timing this will seem much worse. It is just like how unfair it is to complain about Rosen and his concussions, but Mayfield who had multiple concussions gets a pass and Allen gets a pass on his injuries. There is enough of an issue that I think it makes it difficult on the kid coming in to a locker room, but has no impact on his play or where he should be drafted, but it becomes one more obvious red flag for front offices. My guess is this is not a surprise to the different GMs that doing their homework have already seen and questioned these, but once it is out in the open - now it becomes a locker room and media issue that you have to answer to.

Neither - Rudolph at 22 or Lauletta/Falk in 2nd