Rochesterfan

I will start with WR - based upon Spotrac both Brown and Beasley are around 30th to 35th WR contracts in the league. So that is low end starter level - so what would I expect - at that level and price - I expect complimentary pieces that are going to make plays and keep the offense moving. I am not expecting 1500 yards and 100 catches from either. At that level we should be looking for 60 catches and maybe 750 to 1000 yards for Brown - maybe mid 15+ YPA and for Beasley probably 50-60 catches - maybe 600-750 yards and a bunch of 3rd down conversions. I do not consider John Brown a high priced piece based upon the recent WR contracts as he is paid as one of the lower starting guys in the league with additional FAs and contracts coming.

I am not sure, but I did see someone eat a “Joey bag of Donuts” at Moe’s yesterday - does that count? Looked pretty good - seemed like the guy was really enjoying it and it did not seem like they were talking about the Bills either. It probably became **** later in the day to - so maybe relevant.

I will not disagree with any of this - it sounds about right, but also does not sound like it matches this case. A couple of additional questions to mirror it more to this. First - you say above if he/she wants to pursue charges - how does it change if there is potential evidence of abuse, but they do not want to pursue charges. Remember- this is now the third incident with this woman and man and she has not pursued charges yet and there was overwhelming evidence when she was pregnant that he beat the crap out of her, but she never pressed charges and now has married him. Second - he was named in an incident with the child very recently, but the spouse did not want to pursue things and now another incident occurs and the spouse again is not pursuing it - Does that not mean that Child Services will get involved and begin investigating the incidents? Because it is a minor - can Child Services bring charges if after investigation they determine child abuse was occurring. To me this is the step we are in. The spouse/mother is not going to press charges as is obvious by this being the third known instance of them having to get police involved with signs of injury, but she has not pressed charges yet. Therefore the police saw potential signs of abuse and have referred it to the Child Services team to investigate and determine the fate. How quickly this all goes depends upon the level of cooperation from the family, friends, and others involved. I think you are correct in that if she had wanted to press charges and the police left without naming him or taking him into custody- there would be little to the story, but it changes if she does not want to press charges and then tries to protect him when the police arrive.

Couple this with the Athletic piece by Fairburn and he gives a lot of insight about their approach. I honestly love this staff and FO. They are both aggressive and methodical at the same time. I don’t agree with everything they do, but at least I see reason and planning behind it.

I disagree - he could trade back and pick up a first next rather than additional picks this year. He could trade back and then trade up. Nothing is off the table, but I do agree it is looking like they do not need all 10 picks to make this roster.

Wow - I thought he was nearly sure to go to NE. Great News

If he is BPA - you take him, but he will not be BPA at 9 there is almost no way with his production and agility numbers. If he is BPA when we are picking it means we probably moved back in a trade.

Agreed - during or after the draft if they have a chance to move an Olineman and have a replacement - I could see a trade, but for now I do not see a reason to move or cut anyone. You have a starting Center in Morse with Bodine and Long to back up. You have multiple guards/tackles to allow you to find the best 5 at their best position and move forward from there and now there is depth and flexibility. Then you have the draft for new young talent to fit in.

Give me Yolo - he is the QB of the team.

Ouch - your poll is not going well. Lots of mid level talent has a bigger impact than 1 top end player at most positions - especially WR, RB, and TE. If we are talking QB - give me the top player over multiple mid level QBs, but most other positions- give me the many over the one.

Not at that price - I wouldn’t mind either or both players, but when you way overpay for what will become a lack of production- the joy leaves quickly.

Plus withthat money paid - he become a probable 3rd round comp pick for NE next year. Idiots

Absolutely awesome!!!

First off - I would say no to Anderson - I do not think he will make it multiple years without a suspension coming. Just to much baggage to trust with big money and a high draft pick. Second - how does that work - I thought for an RFA you had to provide your own pick or better? If not then teams would be trading back all over the place to try and screw teams over. Looking it up seems to show you trade your pick or higher, but I can not find specific language that states that anywhere.

I just think Mahomes is in the perfect situation for him in KC. I do not believe if the Bills had drafted him with 1/2 a season of Tyrod as a starter (Mr. Conservative) and the Dennison offense - Mahomes would have been any better than a mid-level starter here. It certainly would have changed many things, but I honestly do not think Mahomes haunts us because I just do not see him as better than Allen - just in a much better set of circumstances and offensive talent. I could be wrong because you never know when speculating, but I also believe if they had drafted Mahomes - they would still be struggling with Cap issues because they would have needed to try and build offense faster before clearing space and you end up with a 18 million Sammy Watkins as your #1 and I don’t think with his health we would be better for having kept him.

So then explain why the Pats win percentage in the regular season against the rest of the NFL is nearly identical to the AFC east record? If the Jets Bills, and Dolphins are the enablers - why does the AFC north have a lower win percentage against NE than the AFC east teams? The facts are that outside of Denver in the AFC everyone is around 0.300 as a winning percentage against NE or worse. Miami actually has the next best record in the AFC with 11 wins in 33 games versus Brady. The Worst teams are the Bills, Cleveland, Baltimore, Cincinnati, and Houston with a winning percentage of around 10%. The truth is NE beats everybody - it does not matter what division or where the game is played. You move NE to the AFC north and nothing changes - AFC south same domination. AFC west if they replace Denver - the winning percentage is nearly identical to what the AFC east sees. Denver with a 6-7 record versus Brady in the Regular season and 3-1 in the playoffs for and overall record of 9-8 and are the only AFC team not to be Brady’s female dog. Logically your argument would make sense if the Pats struggled against the rest of the AFC, but were getting home field throughout because of the AFC east teams, but they are averaging 13 wins with Brady so on average they are going 5-1 (0.833) versus the AFC east and 8-2 (0.800) versus the rest of the NFL and that is with them playing two additional AFC teams that were top seeds the year before.

One last thing to as food for thought - if we switched NE and Cleveland and gave the AFC east just one additional victory from Cleveland versus the 2 loses against NE - The Bills in the last 15 years would have more playoff appearances and more division titles than the Steelers. The entire AFC east would seem better overall.

I just wonder how much they would have sucked if taking your though experiment and moving NE and Cleveland. In that scenario with just giving the Bills 1 win against Cleveland instead of the 2 loses to NE there is a chance the Bills make the playoffs 6 times in the last 15 years and have 3 division titles (3 WC would come down to tiebreakers so it is close). The Jets would win the division 6 times and the Dolphins 4 times. Cleveland and Buffalo would have 1 season with a tiebreaker. You don’t think that 5 additional playoff appearances and the potential of some back to back years would not have changed significantly the culture and the number of coaching changes for each of these teams. Additionally Just quickly looking at the impact to just Pittsburgh - assuming the 1 additional loss having NE instead of Cleveland and using NE record - Pittsburgh goes from 8 division titles and 2 WCs to just 5 potential WC spots over the 15 years - so does missing the playoffs potentially 5 years in a row in the late 2000 get Tomlin fired? It has a huge impact because no longer is Pittsburgh considered a yearly division winner - they are now the NYJs getting in on a few random years as a wild card. The implications for Baltimore and Cincinnati are even worse moving them out of the playoffs several times where they just snuck in.

I think McVay did a huge disservice to himself and the team. The Rams were best going uptempo and keeping teams off balanced. Getting to the line seeing what a defense was going to do and then adjusting before the headset shuts off. Then like a college team using hand signals to help get everything set. In the Super Bowl - McVay to try and thwart BB kept the Rams in the huddle until the head set would shut off to prevent BB from adjusting, but that limited the adjustments he could make and Goff could not do it himself. That team is all about what McVay can see and he purposefully took himself out to try and limit BB and it cost the Rams.

Maybe, but Brady in the Regular season is 6-1 versus Baltimore, Cincinnati, and Cleveland over the years. At that rate against those three teams they would be 29 - 4 against each of them rather than 30 - 3. Pittsburgh with their 8-2 regular season mark would be 26 - 7 or 27 - 6 over the same time period. In reality based upon regular season numbers in a division with Baltimore, Cincinnati, and Pittsburgh - NE would actually see their win totals increase by getting away from Miami - meaning they might actually have been better in this scenario. The reality is - who knows what would have happened, but to assume all of a sudden the Pats would not be the same is a real stretch as they dominate the AFC north just as much as the AFC east. They have similar regular season dominance over the AFC south and most of the AFC west. It seems only Denver really has their number - especially in the playoffs.

That may be, but taking Roethlisberger for example - he has like 1 win and like 8 loses versus NE - how would his legacy be changed if instead of Cleveland or Cincinnati to beat up on - he had NE. You probably end up taking away his Super Bowl and several of his playoff appearances with 2 more losses a year. If like the teams in the AFC east - the Steelers miss the playoffs for 4 or 5 years are they as patient with Tomlin - I mean he was almost let go after missing the playoffs this year. Basically are they the same Steelers if NE is in the division beating them twice a season on average. In addition - currently he only plays those teams once every couple of years - so his overall film and knowledge is not as in depth as against AFC east teams - give BB more reason to win those games i.e. division games and I think it has little impact overall on NE, but a huge impact on that division.

Yes I understand - but the data indicates that since they beat those other teams at a very similar rate - nothing may change. Those games currently mean less and Belicheck has less film and tendencies for those teams and yet still wins at a clip similar to the AFC east and has completely dominated teams like Pittsburgh that have competed for the #1 seed. There is nothing that indicates moving them to the AFC north would suddenly make them lose out on the division title and a 1 or 2 seed. The reality would be that suddenly teams like Pittsburgh or Cincinnati would most likely lose 1-2 more games a season on average and coaches like Tomlin and Lewis would have been fired for not winning divisions and making the playoffs - thus making that division seem more unstable. At the same time adding 1-2 wins to teams in the AFC east mean years where the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins not only make the playoffs, but win the division and get wildcard games. Therefore some of the coaching turnover that has occurred in this division gets reversed and the teams all look more stable and like the rest of the NFL.

Is it a run of incompetence or because NE has been so dominant- the teams are constantly changing because they don’t win. How different would things be if NE was going 5-1 against another division and the Bills division was up for grabs freely each year like the AFC North. Would AFC east coaches have gotten longer if they made the playoffs - Would that stability have made this division look better and another division look worse? It is valid to wonder how the coaching carousel in the AFC east would be different without the dominant team.

You have not proved they would have lost any more - the percentage is just too close to assume if they played more - the percentage would not increase in NE favor and other teams like Pittsburgh would be struggling and changing coaches if they do not make the playoffs for 15 years.

Based upon the overall numbers - I think it has little impact, but my biggest question is why remove the Browns and not the Ravens. I think with the Browns in there you are looking at 5-6 wins yearly just as now. Put them in the AFC North with the Browns, Bengals, and Steelers and I think each of those teams looks just as incompetent as the 3 AFC East teams. I believe the Pats would have had just as many wins and titles, but the AFC East with Buffalo, Miami, and the Jets (throw in Baltimore) suddenly gets much better and more balanced and no longer is the incompetent mess they were losing to NE. The winning percentage of NE in the AFC east versus the rest of the AFC and the NFL in general is pretty consistent- I believe logically- wherever they play - they win just about the same as the do know and it is just another group of teams that look incompetent and go through coaches like mad trying to find an answer.