Rochesterfan

No - not comparing the players at all, but the situation is very similar. Most “experts” thought KC would have been better off with the 2 draft picks rather than a QB that was not going to help them in that year. They were coming off a divisional round loss and were well in the window. The organization made a decision that the next step needed to be better QB play and that is what they got. Why can GB not be looking at Rodgers and thinking over the next few years we are going to need get better QB play to stay on top. Plus tell me - what WR should they have picked that improves them significantly. Maybe the coach and GM recognize what they want out of the QB position and maybe Rodgers doesn’t give them what they want long term. He will need to be replaced - they are starting the planning before it is to late.

I understand, but why is it different than with Favre? He had 4 years left on his contract when they drafted Rodgers. They let Favre play 3 more years and then moved him to the NYJs using their control on the contract. That gave Rodgers years to get ready and allowed them to have some control over where Favre ended up. I can see this playing out the same - Rodgers really can’t be moved for at minimum 2 years and probably 3 - so you have time to see if Love can be the guy - if not you take another shot. If he seems to progress - then you have the ability to move Rodgers to an AFC team after 3 years and recoup something. If he does not progress you have the 2022 draft to try again.

The pack may have a worse year, but how do the fans in KC feel after they drafted a QB when they were still in the “window”. KC had won more than 10 games 4 out of 5 years with Smith, he was consistently getting better - including have his best season ever the year they drafted Mahomes. They made a choice of a QB - when many thought another stud defender could push them to the top. That decision worked out and many fans were not happy at first, but winning fixes everything. Pretty sure that is what he was saying. What player pushes them over the edge - none - so why is everyone fired up that a potential replacement 3-4 years down the road is so bad.

The league is no more win now than it was in 2005 when they made the Rodgers choice. That choice lead to a Super Bowl win. Yes they have holes, but what player at that point (late 1st round) pushes them to the Super Bowl? They made a choice that they think they are competitive with Rodgers and a QB they liked fell to them much like Rodgers did in 2005. They had a choice in 2005 - load up for 1 more run or begin thinking about the future while maintaining a winning team. They chose to look to the future and that gave them another Super Bowl win and 15 more years of sustained success. GB just chose to repeat that scenario and if I works they might have another decade and a half of success and that is worth way more than the 7th or 8th best WR was going to give them. Interestingly - this is also the choice KC made with a successful QB that had lead them deep in the playoffs and then they decided to draft Mahomes. Many thought they would be better getting some other piece to help propel them during their window and they chose to see if they could get better at a key position to drive them forward for another 2 decades. Now - I think a bunch of the rest of the draft stunk - so who knows if Love is any good- they seemed to reach for a lot of other picks and that pick might be no different, but I get why they took the shot. The shot with Rodgers worked out well for GB and they would like to repeat that success and longevity.

Yet he followed that up with 3 straight ProBowl trips (GB, NYJ, and Minn), his 3 highest years of completion percentage of his career, over 4100 yards his last year in GB and a 13-3 record with a 95.7 qb rating. I would love for our QB to fall off that cliff.

Yes and they were heavily criticized in 2005 for drafting Rodgers with Favre still under contract. Looking at 2005 draft grades - lots of C-, D’s, and even Fs, but when you look 5 years out - that draft in 2005 is now all A’s and one of the best drafts of the year. Did it hurt GB in the short term - maybe, but Rodgers won them a Super Bowl and has made them relevant for over an additional 10 years. This pick is no different - if Love works out they are brilliant and if he fails - they still have time to find another QB before Rodgers retires. The timing is perfect and it is exactly what GB should be doing.

More than anything it was because they had so much extra time to fill with this draft. They couldn’t do the obligatory fan shots and show all of the huge groups Of fans gathered together for the draft. They tried a few Suzy interviews, but they were awkward. They didn’t have the 3-4 minutes of the players celebrating back stage and then getting a hat and hugging Roger. They literally were filling time and the easiest way to do that is to humanize the people with backstory - usually tragic. They didn’t even have nice shots of pro-days or other recent interviews to go to. They had to fill time with research and that is what you get. I actually enjoyed the draft and wished they had focused a bit more on the coaches and GMs and their families also. It made the process seem so much more normal rather than the over the top production of the last few years. I love the look into the homes you got and wish they would do this every year. The picture of the dog sitting in Belichek’s seat was priceless and will be a lasting image of this draft for years to come.

It stopped being private medical information when he Tee Higgins talked about it openly. He has on multiple occasions talked about living with his aunt because of the drug abuse, about her being shot 2x by a boyfriend, and about how proud and strong she is to overcome it. ESPN did not say anything that was already not talked about and reported on multiple times from the combine, to the college interviews, to pro day interviews. It is a part of what makes him - who he is and he accepts that and promotes it as part of his character. ESPN did not need to make it part of the graphic, but the discussion is important and should be discussed.

They would need to send a ton of salary back, but with the dead cap hit - GB could not accept it. NE would need to find spots for Gilmore, Thuney, and probably at least one more big salary and GB would absorb nearly 50 million in dead cap - just not going to happen. I also don’t see it next year as the dead cap is still huge for GB. This is just a chance to see if Love can grow - they have 4-5 years to develop him and allow Rodgers to lead the team. This just does nothing at this point because there is just no way without NE and GB both weakening their teams to the point the trade makes no sense.

Not the least bit worried because of a little thing called the salary cap. The Pats can’t afford Rodgers right now unless they cut or trade about 5-6 guys that weaken the team.

what makes you think Trent Williams is an improvement at all? Where are these rumors of low round picks coming from? Cleveland was in discussion and they made it sound like Washington was still looking for 1st or high 2nd round picks. I am happy with our line and want nothing to do with Washington’s headcase.

Since it didn’t happen - it is somewhat irrelevant, but to answer this: The most likely Minshew result is average play. Minshew is good enough for 5 to 6 wins - much like Fitzy - I think he puts you out of range for Lawerence, but it is not good enough to win long term.

Well Yannick is still a Jaguar and it sounds like they did not get the value for a trade offer (or any legit offers at all). Could it be because he is being a Jack wagon which hurt his value - thereby making it harder to move him. Hmm. I still think he gets traded, but if he had made his wishes known and shut up - he would of had more value and maybe a mid level team takes a shot with a first round pick. With GMs questioning his attitude and the draft pick cost and the new deal he will want - his value is about as low as it will get right now and the Jaguars hold his rights. It looks more like a Bell or Clowney situation every time he tweets.

I agree it will be interesting. I think they build those boards on athletic modeling and RBs tend to model well. When it gets to how the GMs rate them - my guess is there are many factors that pull into that and position is part of that. Based on everything Beane has said over the last several years with regards to the draft - if he has similar rankings and one of those guys is available and is head and shoulders above others - he will take him. If Beane has the RB and a CB, OT, or DE available with similar grades at 54 - then he has stated he looks at positional depth both on the team and on the board. If he looks at the information they have put together and thinks they can get less drop off at RB with a 3rd or 4th round selection because there is more depth in the draft at that position - I would guess he would take a BPA at a position with less draft depth. The hard part is we will never know exactly what his board or his reasoning is. I think the general prevailing ideas around the league is that if there is elite talent (Barkley/Elliott) you take that high - other than that you wait until they are far and away the best talent on the board because even elite RBs barely move a win/loss meter. I think Buffalo may be in a good position for that train of thought. Most teams seem to subscribe to the have 3 or 4 guys and don’t worry at all about where you got them. KC had a terrible running back group and they were Super Bowl Champs, SF running back by committee, NE last year had 4/5 RBs to handle the load. The Rams had Gurley (big time lead back) and replaced him with a mid season street FA to get to the Super Bowl. If the Bills get a guy that falls to them and is highly ranked great, if not the difference with a 3rd, 4th, 5th round guy will be very small - the fit is more important for this team.

It will be interesting because that is where they rank - yet most experts think at most 1 RB in RD 1 and maybe none. RBs as a position drop significantly in the draft and QBs are pushed up. RBs are an undervalued position because having a top back - like the Giants, Cleveland, and Dallas - does not get you into the playoffs. QBs are pushed up because they are so much more important. Same with DE, OT, CB - more premium positions. The draft values on RBs are useless because the position as a whole is the least valued position in the game. UDFA like in Denver can come in and be just as good or better than high round draft picks.

Just merge the thread with the draft rumors - where this is being discussed already and we don’t have to worry about the title. The Lions are the key to this draft. I hope they don’t screw it up. I want to see some heavy trade action.

For me it has to be @BringBackFergy - you have to wait until Saturday night to see his final big board, but he will predict player, position, and team - including trades and be darn close to 100% accurate. It is uncanny how good it is and the hints given leading up to the draft - such insight. LOL ? Sorry - I could not resist- I use the draft network as my main guide - they provide a bunch of info from different perspectives. Don’t usually agree, but I appreciate the effort.

If I am Detroit - if they want to keep 5 - then I want 18, 26, 39 and next years 1 (Miami). I may even shoot for a later pick this year or the higher number 2 next year. They have the picks and much like when the Bills had the picks - you make them part of the premium. That would give you 3 more picks in the top 40 and an extra 1 next year - plus whatever else you got.

I love the ability of people with like 50 posts to just create a thread with little thought and then ditch it. Good times.

I could see the exact opposite- if a team got visits and is comfortable- making a move up to get that guy because some others are more unknown. I could see more trades so that teams get guys they were comfortable with. Teams also have less info on what other teams thought leading to you wanting to get your guy because you are not as sure if another team is thinking like you. I love the potential of this draft.

1st - he has not played nice at all. He has repeatedly been a complete jerk about the team and the situation. Enough so that if you read through the various threads - many people even on here wanted him because of his talent and now that number of fans wanted him has dropped off to the point that they are saying he is not worth the headache. The same thing is happening with teams and GMs. They see the way he is acting - so teams are hedging and lowballing the Jags. That is why it becomes less likely the Jags trade him right now. They want what they consider to be fair compensation- most likely a 1st rd pick and maybe a throw in pick. As Yannick acts out - the value teams offer decrease and therefore they are less likely to make the deal at this point. Therefore; Yannick is forced to be a Jaguar longer. My guess is for Yannick - like Clowney- it will take him holding out in the season for a contender to try and make a deal. At that point he will not be able to renegotiate and therefore compensation will be closer to a 2nd or a 3rd. The Jags also have the option of holding on and seeing if he is worth more next year. We both know he does not want to play another game as a Jaguar, but the fact is by acting the way he is - Yannick is lessening the number of teams willing to trade for him and lowering the compensation and that means the Jags are more likely to hold out longer waiting for a deal. Much like Peerless Price years ago in Buffalo - if after making his wishes known - Yannick had shut up - he might have already been traded. He hasn’t and therefore his value has decreased in the short term causing the team to wait.

Correct - which is why I have no issue with it. My issue is with someone calling him a hostage. The team exercised their right with a hope to recoup something via trade. That is their right. Yannick can complain - which drops his perceived value - making it less likely they can find a viable trade partner. If they can’t find a trade partner - then he is stuck either playing or holding out. The Jaguars can then repeat this again next year. Yannick’s best path was to sound engaged and hopeful, but to reiterate that he wants out and to market himself as a good guy in a bad situation. Instead - he has chosen to act like an idiot - reducing his field and reducing his potential salary going forward. Again see Clowney. He was in the same boat - held out and now he is way below expected value on his next contract. He is in a bad enough place that the team that traded a pick for him is looking at repeating the trade with Yannick and letting Clowney walk.

I would assume he will not be a Jaguar for all of this season - let alone next season. See Clowney for what I would expect.

I am not sure what point you think I am missing. I fully understand what you are saying and think it is totally wrong. It sucks for the player, but that is tough - he is not a free agent because the Jags exercised their collectively bargained right to name him a franchise player. That is fine and I do not see the injustice as that is part of the CBA. If the players want it gone - bargain it away. If not - stop whining when it hurts one player - when 14 other players have been tagged and are dealing with it just fine. I get that he does not want to be there, but it is no way unfair to him or to the team that the Jaguars used a viable negotiated option to hold on to a valuable piece and try to recoup some cost. If you do not understand that - then I can not enlighten you further. You see a negotiated part of the CBA as unfair and I see it as a viable option being used. That does not mean it does not suck for certain players that want out, but in no way is he a hostage. He has options to use.

I feel ..... caught in a landslide, no escape from reality....