Rochesterfan

I feel like the was the plan and then Brown got the stinger/shoulder and I think they want the safety of an extra tackle for the playoff run. I don’t think Brown will miss time, but now you have that potential for aggravation and missing snaps. Plus gives them depth for resting people week 18 and get the youth some playing time.

I think Jefferson was sluggish versus Detroit because he was inactive. He was bad versus LAR, but they went size and Jordan Phillips versus Detroit.

Totally agree and unfortunately he right now keeps getting nicked up when he gets a shot. Had a turf toe, ankle, foot, shoulder, etc. I think it has been a snake bitten year. i expect given a healthy, but short offseason - they can revisit the stuff we saw in training camp before his first injury.

Totally disagree. The Bills like the Lions are very aggressive once you get passed the 50. The onside kick makes it more likely the Bills are aggressive and have 4 downs to get a first down. A full kick-off put the Bills on their side of mid field and they need 2+ first downs to get passed the 50. The Lions were significantly more likely to get a potential stop at the 12 minute mark with a full kickoff rather than the onside kick. The onside kick failed and allowed the Bills a TD and then the Lions were back down as if their last drive did not happen. When they kicked deep they held the Bills to a FG (somewhat asterisked), but it actually allowed them to get closer rather than the onside kick. I can understand wanting to on-side, but how he handled the next kick-off tells you that he recognized it was the wrong call or he would of done it again.

You mean exactly what we did against the Lions - found the weak LB that is a back-up and attack him. This is an issue, but it is across the board - Spector is a 3rd LB and not even a primary weakside back-up behind Milano and Williams - he is more designed to be behind Bernard. Little you can do mid game and you are on back-up #3 for a position.

But what is the point. There have been multiple QBs with 65+ QBR with winning records and no playoffs. Fitz has done it a couple of times. This year you have 3 QBs with Burrow, Carr, and Purdy above 64.5 with losing records. If there is some correlation that would be helpful, but it doesn’t match anything other than teams that have pretty good QB.

Maybe I am missing something here, but your 49ers defense of losing to the Chiefs is the 2 guys that Shanahan and Lynch have picked to be QBs aren’t as good as the guys McD picked and if they were they would have won - ok, but that choice has always been on them and who they wanted at QB. The second part you praise the 49ers D under an offense coach and blame the failure on the offense and then Hammer McD because the Bills offense has been sound and the defense failed. How does this not ring exactly the same for both of them. If the Bills are being outcoached because the strength of the Bills coaching is defense and that is being beat - then I would argue the 49ers suffered the same thing by playing great defense and the handpicked QBs failed. If Purdy can’t play from a messy pocket - isn’t it Shanny job to adjust and fix that - roll outs, extra protection, quicker routes, etc, but you blame the QB for the failure and leave the offensive guru as a by product. When 13 seconds occurred - everyone blames McD implicitly even though Wallace and Poyer have both come out and stated they had a miscommunication and the players messed up the call and were not in the correct position. For the Bills it is coaching and a McD failure - for SF it is his QBs that he picked that is the failure. It makes no sense. I guess for me the loss is the loss and Shanny has never beaten KC (regular or postseason) and he has also been outplayed and beaten by the Bills in their match-ups.

Yes they acquired them as draft picks and now that they have to pay them - they are in the same boat as the Bills. If they pay Purdy - they are looking at letting some DL and a WR go. It is a choice that teams make. SF went for a veteran QB and built the defense by draft. The Bills drafted a QB and built the defense by FA and are now transitioning the other way. I also noticed how convenient you stopped there : 2024 Josh counts over 30 million in cap and 60 million in cash 2024 Purdy - 1.004 million in cap That 29 million allows Nick Bosh, Deebo, and your choice of Lenoir or Floyd to cover cap only. They have 1 more year and then need to decide are they going forward with Purdy or back to drafting another QB and shot #4.

I don’t know - I have probably watched at least 20 -25 49ers games over the last 2 years maybe more and yes Tua and Purdy are not in the same class making off schedule plays because that is not how Shanny (or by default McDaniels) want the offense run. Trey Lance in his limited games was playing like early Josh - holding the ball - waiting for plays to open up deeper and taking off when needed and Kyle benched him as quickly as he could because he wasn’t getting the ball out - he didn’t even try to grow him into a player. Look as was said Shanny is in the same ballpark/Tier as McD as a coach, but I wouldn’t trade the 2 from the beginning and believe that the Bills are where they are under Shanny - I don’t think he would of drafted Josh or mentored him to the QB he is. Maybe he would have, but as he got the QB he wanted in SF with Jimmy G - why do we think that wouldn’t have been our path also.

No the point is Jimmy G was their choice - that is who they chose as their QB. Then when they couldn’t win they moved up and gave up a ton of picks for Trey and then failed to even try to develop him. They preferred a lesser talent in Mr. Irrelevant and have gone that route. They have made 3 separate choices at QB and people say look they got farther with lesser QBs - that should be a huge flag against these guys. Since they were hired they have gotten their QB and failed. In addition- by having a lesser QB - they are saving 60+ million that they have used on 3-4 elite talent at OT, DE, WR, and RB. Once they pay the QB see what happens with Miami - talent at other positions has to go away. They are living in the moment, but now they have to decide - do they move on from Purdy and try to start over or do they pay Purdy and begin to dismantle that other talent that everyone drools over. And if we are honest - give McD that defensive talent and ask him to play conservative and run to win - yes I think he has a better record than Shanny with that team. And to better than Shanny - they only have to make the playoffs 1/2 the time and he showed he could do it with Tyrod as the QB and no WR talent and forming a defense - yes I think he could do a lot with that extra talent. You mean like he did against KC to win the game?

Everyone kills McD for 13 seconds - Shanahan has had multiple versions of that as an OC and HC at the biggest moment, but because he is not the Bills coach - they laud him for making it and losing and being totally out coached. 🤦‍♂️

Bull - the reason they love Purdy was because of his quick processing and getting the ball out to the right player on schedule. It means hitting now CMC in the flat in stride as soon as he clears the defense, or hitting a slant right after the snap before the defense can react. Yes Purdy has made some plays off schedule, but it is very limited - the same as Tua in Miami with McDaniel. he wants them to play with the structure and when they don’t- (see Lance who struggled with that (very similar to Josh early) - Shanahan moved on Could Shanahan have adapted - maybe, but the available data suggests he would rather have a QB that plays within his structure and offensive scheme than develop a QB that has different strengths. He choose Jimmy G as his 1st QB - that was not forced on him. He then chose to develop Mr. Irrelevant in Purdy over #3 pick Lance. Those were not things forced on him - those were his choices. If he had held to his convictions- the other QB he would have grabbed was Mac Jones.

Where did Josh struggle coming out of college. He struggled reading defenses and making quick throws especially to RBs - that is exactly what the Shanahan offense is predicted on. Even now Josh struggles with passes to RBs in screen situations or quickly when they leak out into the flat and throwing some quick slants (like to Cooper last weekend). When he came out that was nearly non existent. Early in his career - Josh held the ball and hit guys much deeper when they cleared open and when that wasn’t available he took off and ran. That was exactly the problem Lance had and even though Shanahan drafted Lance 3rd overall - he never even gave him a real chance to grow. Why would anyone believe he would have given Josh the freedom to grow and become the player he is. The Shanahan (and by extension McDaniel) offense is set up to give the QBs quick reads and throws and get the ball out immediately and that has been the QBs that have been more successful. Give them Josh 6-7 years in where he has developed and he will be successful, but to assume that Shanahan would have gotten that growth is not something I can do - especially seeing as Shanahan has already shown a lack of patience with a raw QB with similar skills to Josh when he didn’t play within the structure of the offense.

He has also lost significantly more games in higher stakes (and lower stakes) including 2 SBs as a coach and a huge blunder as an OC where he cost his team the victory. Personally if you compare the 2 - Shanny to me is the bigger disadvantage versus McD and it isn’t close. The 49ers also aren’t paying a QB - even though they are on QB 3 (major fail) and therefore have been able to spend more on other players. They are 0-3 on QBs and are starting to think they need an improvement again - big red flag. They have also benefited greatly from 1 major rule change that got them many extra high level draft picks when they lost both OCs and DCs. They have gotten like 6 additional free 3rd round picks because of timing - which of course adds to their talent pool.

So it is better to have a coach that after this year will have missed the playoffs 4 of 8 seasons and has lost to KC (and many other teams in addition) and has a worse win %, moved up to draft their future QB and totally whiffed, but because he has made SBs in the other conference and still lost to the team that beats us - we should change. My God that is just wrong. Let’s get rid of the guy that has made the playoffs 7 of 8 years, has developed a butt ton of players - including the QB- has the second best winning % of any coach during the last 5 years, is universally loved by his players - including Josh - has the best head to head record versus Reid and Mahomes, but let’s just move to another hypothetical coach and expect success. I mean it is not like high end QBs - Burrows, Herbert, Tua, Rodgers, Murray, Lawrence, etc have and will miss the playoffs because coaching. Yeah let’s throw away what we have for a very small hypothetical shot that some other coach will be better. I mean it isn’t like the majority of coaching changes result in failure. It isn’t like we went through 17 years shifting coach after coach and watching talented players want out because of the lack of culture. This quoted argument really kills me - we shouldn’t count their losses to KC because they weren’t in the playoffs - really 🤦‍♂️. So now you are punishing McD because his team makes the playoffs every year and wins games in the playoffs every year. Again I will take a coach that guides his team to the playoffs year after year over a guy that is hitting 50% all the time.