transplantbillsfan

It's not just one line. There's more to this story than just one line. You're grossly over exaggerating here. Actions speak louder than words, huh? Fine, all indications were that Taylor was out. Buffalo wanted to move on at the position and someone would inevitably be starting at QB because the Bills weren't happy with him at QB. That's what was widely reported from multiple "credible" sources at the end of the year. Then we get a new Head Coach. And this new Head Coach comes from a team that recently made the Super Bowl with a similar QB in terms of general skill sets (NOT talking about level of play). And this new Head Coach hires the most recent OC his prospective QB has worked with outside of Buffalo. And this new Head Coach had only had glowing remarks on this new QB, including high praise of what he saw on tape and in person. And this Coach, despite clearly having pretty clear control to go out and bring in his own Guy as everyone professes a new HC prefers, HE KEEPS TAYLOR! And... you get the idea. If you think I looked at a single quote and formed an entire opinion on it, you're wrong. It just lends further credence to it.

And if you want my answer for number 2 it's because McDermott hasn't seen enough of Taylor up close to wager his future on him if he doesn't have to. What he did with the contract and the draft move is about the best possible QB scenario he could hope for. He's hedging his bets and now has options. Just because he's giving himself options doesn't mean he doesn't have opinions on which options are most likely. Why is this an either/or scenario for everyone? McDermott has set himself with who he believes (according to him) will be the team's long term answer at the position based on what he's seen so far but he's given himself an out and options to get a franchise QB after this season if he's wrong.

This goes for countless posts by a number of posters on both sides of the aisle

Thanks. I don't like arguing, but I'll admit a fault I have is that I either rise or fall to the level of discussion. I greet antagonism with antagonism. It's a fault. One I believe I share with many on this message board. Okay, if you really want me to answer those questions simply I need to start out with this: I don't know anything at all about what people's motives were. What I don't like is that some people think they do know lyll​and present what is opinion as fact. As to your questions: #1 - We don't know what would have happened if the deadline approached and the Bills had to make a decision. I realize some are going to chime in that Taylor would have been cut, but as much as some people in previous posts were talking about how "logic dictates that..." there are different forms of logic. There's a lot I could type here, but Shaw has actually explained some of this in the past. What I'll say is that Taylor sorta dug his own grave in terms of negotiations with Buffalo when he said he'd be open to restructuring his contract on clean out day. Whether Taylor made a mistake or legitimately was open to restructuring for the reasons he claimed eventually that he restructured in order to help the team free up some money to strengthen itself at some positions, I don't know for sure. I can't read minds. It's funny to me because sometimes people say actions speak louder than words and other times people quote what people say as though it's biblical. To me, it's pretty logical from a business perspective that the moment Taylor said that, Buffalo had an obligation to do anything it could to make it happen. And stories and experts came out with all of these stories that never made reference to any single source... probably because the team was trying to leverage Taylor to take a pay cut if he was unwilling (and again, I don't know what his position was). And then McDermott came in and he brought Dennison in. The Dennison hire, to me, was a clear sign that he wanted to roll with Taylor, especially considering McDermott's up close and personal experiences with Cam Newton's successes in Carolina. Whaley was still with the team and maybe Taylor still felt like he had power and sway to get rid of him but wanted to stay in Buffalo. I actually think Taylor wanted to stay in Buffalo and gave them a hometown discount where he could have gone to Cleveland or the Jets or maybe the 49ers for more money but less stable teams in what would be a brand new environment. Not everyone likes change. I can already anticipate these responses that have to do with "what people do" and "what people think" in certain situations and, to me, that's just irritating to talk about people's tendencies as fact because not everyone thinks the same or reacts the same in different situations. Including pro athletes. That's just a bit for #1. Gotta go, but be back for #2 probably later.

If you're content with posters living in this supposed "fantasy world" why do you follow that statement immediately clearly trying to convince them they're wrong?

That's a tantrum? You're really sensitive. And no, that's not simple logic... or I should say it's not definitive logic as you seem to think it is. It's just one interpretation of why he said what he said. It's a reasonable interpretation, just like believing he said what he meant is.

No, it's because you're stating something is inarguable that isn't...

Whatever you say, Boss Okay then. I guess it's just inarguable as you guys profess. McDermott lied. He must have brought up Taylor's name without being prompted to even mention a QBs name on the roster as part of a grand master plan having to do with finding a way to find a Franchise QB not named Tyord Taylor. God it. Thanks for clearing that up

Ummm... and... ? Are you trying to use that statement to say that not some, but ALL statements out of a coach's mouth are 100% false? Are you using that statement somehow as proof that McDermott means the opposite of what he says?

I can agree with all of this. But if Taylor is more the 2015 Taylor in terms of production than 2016, I doubt we draft a QB in round 1. It's inarguable to say that the Bills don't view Tyrod Taylor as the QB of the future even though McDermott, when asked directly if the QB of the future is on the roster currently, his immediate response was "He is. In Tyrod Taylor." ...? And yes, I was being sarcastic before

Yeah, it's about this simple...

Got it, Boss

They also only played 19 games combined with Taylor... and both were hobbled for multiple games in ways very unlike the normal wear and tear of an NFL WR, particularly Sammy.

Yep... but #1 and that "good" to "great" definition is what seems to be the issue and question...

To answer your questions in order: - I don't know, maybe he really likes what he's seen from Taylor on tape in the past and from what he's seen in person and what he's saying is projection based on that. - I really can't believe you're seriously asking this question. Because the NFL is a "what have you done for me lately" league. I think it's pretty clear that McDermott expects Taylor to be pretty successful this year and, based off of those expectations, it seems he would be projecting his QB of the future as Taylor right now. Obviously, if he sucks, McDermott's feelings would change. Coaches opinions on players change, ya know... And if Carr sucks this year, his coach's opinion on him will change on him depending on factors involved. - Taylor has a unique contract to allow for this. It's a unique situation. But in the same way that from 2012-2015 we heard praise heaped upon the new upcoming QBs who would inevitably be Elite QBs like RG3, Kaepernick, Tannehill, and Bortles and now everyone has rightfully turned almost a full 180 degrees on those opinions, McDermott can do the same thing. Smart and good coaches and GMs in the NFL do what's frowned upon in Internet message boards: They change their opinions based on what they see.

It's funny because I agree with pretty much every single word you say here other than the use of the word "or", which I'd replace with "and", yet you know what I think... Tell me more about what I think, please... Oh... okay. Pretty simple really, a lot can happen in one year, can't it? Do you think when the Raiders drafted JaMarcuss Russell they drafted him thinking he wasn't going to be a great QB? Why is it people think these things are mutually exclusive? McDermott spent almost 4 full months up until now evaluating tape on previous seasons from Taylor, meeting and knowing the person, and seeing his work ethic, and has formed an opinion it seems after those 4 months that Taylor is the franchise's answer at QB for the future, his words, not mine. BUT That doesn't mean that Taylor's play on the field in 2017 isn't the most important evaluation tool for McDermott on Taylor's longterm prospects at the position in Buffalo. So if Taylor plays poorly, of course McDermott moves on. And he was smart in hedging his bets by keeping Taylor while also getting an extra 1st round draft pick next year. So if Taylor is the answer, the Bills use those 2 1sts to build around Taylor. If he's not, those 2 1sts are there to help draft the QB of the future. Does that make sense? Except his exact words when asked if the Quarterback of the future is on the roster in Buffalo right now, McDermott's exact and immediate words were: "He is, in Tyrod Taylor." And I'm the one who's blinded by bias...?

Ummm... I did post the entire quote... maybe not in that post, but I did post it a few posts earlier. And McDermott doesn't say at any point in that initial response if he didn't know if the QB of the future was on the roster. He said that after Beane's response, and I've already given my interpretation of it. And as disgusted as you and Teeflebees is with my interpretation, it's a reasonable, even probable interpretation. You guys are too funny. No accident... I provided the link and the quote already. Keep twisting and twisting in the wind though... I don't know why you let a poster on a message board get under your skin so much... Can you direct me to a personal insult I made?

Yeah... the same people on two different message boards have pointed it out. You have a real funny way of twisting things. You can believe what you want to believe regarding what I think. I don't care. You're wrong on many of your assumptions about me. But you seem to enjoy being an antagonist, and I'm a grown man and I can take it on a message board when it's not personal.

Are you trolling or you genuinely don't get this?

No, it's so sad that this is what you resort to. What you said about me regarding the whole "fairly intelligent person" with the "bias" qualifier applies completely to you, as well. I'm going to give you a hint, you're wrong about your perception of me, I'm MUCH more in the middle than you think I am, but because you're seemingly so far in left field with Crusher and Old School and their ilk, you take anyone who's in the middle who says something that has potentially positive connotations about Taylor as a Taylor homer. McDermott is telling the truth in both of those situations, to a degree. It's an open competition in the sense that he's open to starting one of the other QBs if they really WOW him and/or Taylor struggles mightily BUT McDermott, having studied the tape on Taylor from the previous 2 seasons and watched and interacted with Taylor so far, believes Taylor is the QB of the future, which is why that was his immediate response in the MMQB interview. Both. Are. True. Read above...

Oh boy...

Not that Taylor is but that McDermott believes he is... Tell me... which of those 2 statements do you think are more true? If you think I believe if Taylor struggles a lot this summer he's still penciled in as the starter, I don't. Others have provided very good explanations for what kind of a competition this will likely be, and it's not as a truly "open" one the way it was between EJ, Tyrod, and Cassel. That I agree with. I'm human. I'm biased. You clearly are, too. That doesn't mean it blinds me.

Of course things aren't what they seem to be...? Here's the exact question AND McDermott's immediate response. MMQB: Is Buffalos quarterback of the future on the roster now? McDermott: He is, in Tyrod Taylor. What kind of twisting am I doing there? But keep finding a way to personally insult me. You're really showing how much of a winner you are

I'm sorry... that's an unreasonable interpretation? Did you click the link and read that part of the interview? You explain how you interpreted Beane's inter