transplantbillsfan

Wow... 2 days this thread was dying and you decide to bump it with this? Seems weird to me... almost like you want to keep this discussion going Not heated. Just hilarious how hypocritical some of the most adamantly and vocally critical posters are.

Nope, just pointing out pretty simple irony. An argument can't be right in one instance and wrong in another when it's the exact same argument. Continue with your vapid posts though.

Funny that "he said it, was he lying?" is an argument when it works but otherwise, it's "coach speak." MMQB: Is Buffalos quarterback of the future on the roster now? McDermott: He is, in Tyrod Taylor. http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/15/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-brandon-beane-nfl-peter-king?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

Yeah... darn fancy stats... only thing that matters for QBs are Wins and Losses!!!

Dude, was this even necessary...? Don't watch it, then. Why be so disrespectful? Anything can happen, but sounds like Taylor's the QB this year barring injury based on what we're hearing from McDermott, Dennison, and the players. So in reality Taylor's already been handed the job in that it's his to lose. Isn't that the case with most QBs? He's been handed the job but it's possible for him to lose it. Not all that different from most NFL QBs out there. Strongly disagree. Ball placement isn't really a problem for Taylor. It's anticipation and trusting his WRs he needs to get better at. But when he decides to throw a ball to a certain spot it gets to that spot more often than not.

In perception, yes I think he does. No one really talks about the Patriots D being the critical factor in that Super Bowl win or how awful Brady was for much of the game. It's what Brady did at the end to help them win that matters.

Before I click on this article and read it, I'm going to apologize in advance for what this thread will almost certainly devolve into. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be out all night so I'll check when I get back:

Find whatever you want unreasonable. When you accuse someone of being delusional, you're asking for exactly what this thread thread turned into.

Such a friggin hypocrite. "Stop talking about this subject so much! It's spamming and grounds for an infraction!" "They gone... ?" "Man, those guys are delusional idiots and here's why... again"

I'm not going to respond, but posts like this is why I keep posting on the subject. It's a thoughtful post. But one with which I disagree in some parts, and those parts are the ones that are presented in a condescending manner. Why has this thread continued and why have I continued posting on the subject? Because I'm not a buffoon and posts like this paint me as one because of my opinion, which you disagree with so strongly you decide to paint the likes of me and John as idiots because we disagree. And you can't call me a hypocrite in this case because I've said time and time again that I understand your position because it's reasonable, but I disagree. And I've explained why. Reasonably. And still you paint us as idiots. That's why this conversation keeps going. It's not spamming. It's because we aren't the idiots you paint us as and our position even on this subject you disagree with is not idiotic. And you're part of keeping this going, too.

You say bottom tier, I think he's closer to the middle than the bottom tier. But even saying Taylor is a top 15-20 QB somehow puts you in the stupid CoT that some whacko over here came up with. And I'll say again, I think he's earned 1 more season before a final and relatively accurate evaluation of what he is. 29 starts with a ton of instability in those starts between changing OCs, a revolving door at WR, an often porous OL, HC issues, and a defense that wasn't very good.

And if you think Tyrod is a capable NFL starting QB who could use a little more time to be better evaluated you're not only a Tyrod homer, but suddenly you're placed into a cult. Even dumber. Roman's offense wasn't designed around timing routes. Pretty well documented with that not only in Buffalo but also in SF with Kaep and Alex Smith. It was the offensive system more than anything, though you could see that Lynn tried implementing those things more. Yeah, that's why you saw that when he took over the Bills started implementing more of those timing routes. But even though Anthony Lynn's preferred offense is a WCO, he was calling plays out of Roman's playbook, which wasn't predicated on those routes. Lucky for us we get to find out this year because that's pretty much what it seems Dennison is expecting out of him

Thanks poop face

What? Are you denying that Lynn and especially Roman didn't have much playcalling with those short timing routes designed to get the ball out quickly for that YAC you so desperately crave? I thought that was pretty obvious. Or if you're questioning whether Dennison will do it more, apparently he said he would on WGR today http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/194093-rick-dennison-interview-on-wgr/

100% spot on! Historically going waaaaaay back if you look up Super Bowl winners those teams are usually in the top 10 of at least one of 2 critical defensive stats: yards allowed and/or points allowed. And this year was no exception. Brady was pretty awful for more than half of that game against Atlanta and has a great defensive performance and a miracle catch by Edleman to thank for getting back on track to his HOF self.

Yeah, it's not being dismissed. It's just perceived as a less difficult throw than those 30+ yard throws and, therefore, given less value. According to Dennison, we should be seeing a lot more of those short timing patters with YAC built into the offense for Taylor, anyway. I don't think Taylor has a problem running that kind offense and making those throws, our offenses under Roman and Lynn didn't call them much, though Lynn definitely called them more than Roman once he took over.

Well said, but some folks are going to chime in that you're dead wrong... and I'll bet you can guess which glass those folks have in front of them

Maybe a perfectly thrown 30 yard pass is more difficult than a perfectly thrown 3 yard pass. It's not about taking credit away from the 3 yard pass itself, it's more about all the work the WR does after that gets added in and factored into normal passer rating

This is a fantastic post. It's almost exactly how I feel. Good stuff

Considering I've started all of 2 threads since joining this board and I'm in this one carrying on a civil discussion with a couple posters while a couple others are being pretty immature with their responses, I think I'm good. Thanks, though

Weird... I don't even have 1,000 posts here but you've heard my opinion 42,000 times, huh? Why do people get their panties all in a bunch when others disagree with them and explain why using logic and/or reasoning and/or stats and/or other means of rationale? Why is it so offensive to some to have a discussion with someone you might not sway in terms of opinion but will openly accept your own differing opinion if it's reasonable and you're being civil? I blame social media. It's making everyone so terse. Okay... well apparently the mods don't think much because I haven't heard from them or received a warning or anything. Thanks for the support

Ummm, no, it's dialogue because I'm generally addressing posts directed at me, if you'll notice. It's conversation. This is a DISCUSSION board. But pretty ironic considering how much you're posting in here, as well. Sorry but there aren't many topics outside the QB position I enjoy discussing in the offseason.

You're right... message boards are better when everyone shares the same opinion...

Thank you for including the word "probably." It acknowledges that it's merely an opinion. I still disagree. I'm a big boy. If you don't get personal I'm fine with strong disagreement. If these arguments are so "ridiculous and pointless," why do you and others keep chiming in? If you presume I'm just delusional, why bother? You're just clearly too perfect to ever be at fault I guess

And I'm saying that McDermott might actually view Tyrod as the QB of the future (let's also remember that those words came out of his mouth almost 2 full months after Taylor restructured his deal, also) now, but has an out if he wants.