transplantbillsfan

Dude, I won't pretend to be innocent, but you pretty clearly like to start $H!+ and use much more vitriol ("clowns and fools," "transplant's got it hard for Taylor," etc) than almost anyone else. Stop pretending you should be viewed as a martyr

You've put time in for research? Doubtful. Crusher, you started a single thread on BBMB that contained some pretty solid research to discuss. I defended you when that thread closed down because I thought it was unfair and ridiculous. That's the kind of Crusher I hoped to see over here with a brand new fresh start. Unfortunately, that thread was an outlier for you. I don't need to go figure out the throws because nothing is going to convince you to acknowledge any level of promise from Taylor in terms of the QB position as you want it played. You believe that you're somehow showing objectivity when you acknowledge strengths like "a great deep ball" or "elite athleticism" or "a great runner," except you aren't because you choose pretty much inarguably his universal strengths. But you get those 17 throws to look at (did you even bother going and watching the throws you?) and pretty much acknowledge that he does what you think he doesn't do well on those throws and now need to see the rest of the throws and get numbers for how many were outside of the pocket rather than in the pocket...? Crusher, you must be desperate.

Bang... you and I just had a discussion about what you called something "petty" by me yesterday. Here you're being dismissive of Shaw for pointing something out that actually seems like a natural thought: You're asking how Taylor would have done with Fitz's WRs, so it sure seems like a point of at least questionable comparison. I'm really not trying to pick a fight here... and maybe you're just having some Internet fun... but just be wary of the way you point your finger... I heart you so much

Very. Solid. Post.

Hooray for 300 yard games as the measure to end all measures!!! Let's all just hope Taylor doesn't come out with another "We're ready" video the night before our week 1 game against the Jets I don't need to do that at all. Nice try, though. The TD passes and interceptions themselves, for that matter, demonstrate that these numbers are incorporating passes in the pocket as well as outside the pocket from Taylor. And just from watching his TDs and INTs alone, you can see that Taylor's tendency was actually to stay in the pocket and deliver the ball even with pressure coming. There were absolutely passes and plays where he evaded pressure and left the pocket and then delivered the ball, like his 2nd TD pass in the Jets game, but then there were those passes where he stood tall in the pocket with a defender (often) barreling directly at him in full sight and he delivered, like his TD pass to Goodwin in the 1st 'Phins game. And you just watch the TDs and INTs he threw and you can see that Taylor had no problems in the pocket in the midst of pressure. You're just in extreme denial if you're calling for every single pass at this point.

I think Foxx has been having a little fun to some degree taking on this Persona... I hope at least...

These Training Camp discussions are gonna be fun

And from Joe B, today: 1) Tyrod Taylor has his sharpest day yet - Through six workouts that the media has been able to view during the spring offseason sessions, the best day weve seen from starting quarterback Tyrod Taylor was saved for the last day of school, so to speak. Taylor started off slowly with an interception, but after that, he was as sharp as could be. He was hitting his receivers in stride, sensing the pressure of the defense to find the bust in coverage, and firing the ball into his targets. This was a good sign for Taylor, especially considering that the other five workouts weve seen has featured him really playing at an average to below average level and that can be attributed to a number of different things, too. Hes working in a brand new offense, hes working with receivers he hadnt met before a couple of months ago, and a host of other issues, too. Now, he can pocket a great performance on the final day of minicamp and will look to continue that into the start of training camp. For the Bills to be at all competitive this year, theyll need Taylor healthy and to be playing at a similar level to last year at least. Maybe things have changed, he's just gotta readjust to a new offense, again.

Yeah, he was absolutely underwhelming without pressure, true. But the problem with your qualifier in the 2nd paragraph is your assumption that it's his passing out of the pocket that boosts him up... directly from the article: Tyrod was 64 of 143 (44.7%) for 996 yards (6.96 yards per attempt) with 10 TDs and four INTs while under pressure in 2016. Now I'm not presuming to figure out every single pass they've recorded, but according to PFF, 10 of his TDs were under pressure. Now go to YouTube and count how many of his 17 TD passes he left the pocket for. I think you're going to be surprised (dare I even say encouraged?) at the fraction of his TD passes alone he actually left the pocket. If that's any indication of the rest of the throws they counted, the entire premise of what you say here is missing the mark.

Aww... you want to join for Bocce and beer, too? Just bring Heineken.

Back to discussion of the relative topic at hand entitled: Tyrod Taylor had 7th-best QB rating while under pressure in 2016 https://www.google.com/amp/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2017/6/14/15802026/tyrod-taylor-buffalo-bills-7th-best-qb-rating-while-under-pressure-in-2016 And here's Trappasso's conclusion (he's clearly a Tyrod homer ): The combination of these advanced statistics helps to dispel the notion that Tyrod is ineffective in the face of pressure because he morphs into a running back in those situations.

Thanks! I needed that... I mean my life revolves around these Internet victories We're still on for bocce and beers later, right?

I don't think I've changed much, and Crusher sure as hell hasn't changed me. I'm not being petty and think I'm being pretty direct, which is exactly the opposite of passive aggressive. You're trying to make this personal for some reason. If you can't even acknowledge there's some level of hypocrisy in your line of thinking I guess that's fine. You're a poster I respect even though we often disagree, You're making something personal by calling me names when there's no need to. I've been proven wrong... even hypocritical in the past. When someone points it out, I'll own it and admit it. Or I'll explain myself if I think it's necessary. You're just perpetuating personal attacks by insulting me, instead.

Oh boy... we're already starting with these practice reports... Well... might as well give you a counter: http://www.wgr550.com/articles/bills-wrap-hyper-competitive-minicamp-next-stop-training-camp —The offense had a much better day throwing the football overall, especially in the red zone. Multiple TD passes were thrown by Tyrod Taylor in the red area while the starters were going against one another. Good to end strong going into a 6 week hiatus and end on a high note

Do you mean beating good teams consistently or ever? If consistently, okay. If ever, he's beaten good teams as a starter. The team (with him at QB) beat the playoff bound Texans last year and the 3-0 Patriots who shut out a playoff bound team 10 days earlier (3 days extra rest and prep for the greatest coaching mind in history) with exactly the same QB at the helm as the Bills would go on to shut them out. I get that absolutely everyone wants to pile on that Patriots game being without Brady, but that was still a pretty darn good team. I'm not trying to be petty, I'm fine with "what if" conversations... and I guess you are, too. But only when they suit you. A bit hypocritical. I really don't care. I just think it's funny, coming from you... And less than 10 pages later you do this. Just entertaining...

Sure sounds like "what if he has more interceptions, but he also..." But okay... Sure, I can agree, if more interceptions come in the process of significantly more production from him and more wins, I think we'd all embrace it. But there are people who talk about him needing to throw more interceptions because it would somehow indicate his mindset has changed and he's a better QB.

It absolutely won't happen every game. My issue is that these individual criteria are just arbitrary. I've already pointed out how Rodgers is 2-39 in his entire career in 4th quarter comebacks vs. winning teams in the NFL. Yet, by that criteria you've set forth, Rodgers isn't good enough. I know that's not what you actually think. Of course we all know Rodgers is the better QB. But QB is such an intricate and complex position that when you get one thing fixed it seems another issue pops up.

Didn't you just recently say you don't like playing the "if" game? I'd say more interceptions being part of an equation that leads to more wins is an awfully big "if."

Define "consistently"...

I would not want this. I actually think it's weirdly interesting the way some people are almost begging for more interceptions... And for 2015... Tyrod Taylor: 257.4 YPG, 1.714 TD/G Again, get back up to 2015 production or (ideally) improve upon it.

As I've already said, if Taylor's production resembles 2016 or is worse, he's likely gone relatively quickly. But I'd say 2015 is the benchmark for him to meet or exceed, and that 4,000 yards and 30 TDs would be 33 passing yards more per game and less than half a TD more per game than those 14 games. I'd say in the passing game that's the most I would reasonably hope for from him in the passing game. But what he adds on the ground on top of that would be extra saucy gravy to also consider... Some people really don't care about what he contributes on the ground. It's a non-factor the way they talk about it.

Here's the thing, the case won't be closed because, for some, it's pretty clear that there's a pretty well defined and rigidly set type of QB we absolutely need in order to be successful. Taylor's never going to be a QB throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. It's not the type of QB he is. I suspect that in terms of production, you're not going to see Taylor do significantly more than he did in 2015. Do I think he can throw for 4,000 yards in a season and 30 TDs? In the right circumstances and system, sure. The question is, would that be enough to satisfy you? For some, I think the answer is pretty clearly no.

I just want to talk Taylor in this thread, and I thought the discussion was done except Foxx decided to randomly bump it. As always, I'll be respectful and limit discussion to that unless someone like Crusher directly insults me. Indy, why come into a discussion you haven't been in just to try and regulate? I guess your new name fits

Wow... So... who was the next best rushing team in the NFL? Which team had the Elite OL? Which team has a future HOFer at TE? Thurm... you've turned into a real hater... have been for awhile, actually. Your feigned objectivity isn't fooling anyone.

What the hell is AV?