transplantbillsfan

WTF?!?! Top upset pick?!?!

I'm just going to repeat this stat. Tyrod Taylor has the 3rd highest Passer Rating in the NFL when trailing the opponent. And before you say that hasn't been very often, I think if you look it up the Bills have trailed 35-40% of the time so far this year and 49 of Taylor's 99 passing attempts have come in that time.

No, this is not correct. Taylor was always under contract with the Bills and the Bills alone. All anyone can do is speculate about what other teams might have offered him on the open market.

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Benoit has always had pretty strong negative feelings about Taylor. When his initial reads don’t show open, he quickly assumes a runner’s mentality I feel like there's been pretty obvious progress here this year. Frankly, some of what he writes really makes me question his overall expertise. Buffalo’s secondary has two potential studs: rookie corner Tre’Davious White (his short-area agility is tremendous) and former Packers safety Micah Hyde (he was outstanding in the win at Atlanta). But the rest of the all-new backfield consists of career-long fringe starters and backups: corners E.J. Gaines, Leonard Johnson and Shareece Wright, and safety Jordan Poyer. They’re playing well, but coaches will tell you that any plan that’s contingent on guys continuing to overachieve is unwise. Is it just me, or does it seem like he hasn't really watched the secondary, much? If he had, you would think Poyer would be the stud over Hyde based on all of the first 4 games. At the very least, he should have included him. Same for Gaines, but to a lesser extent.​

Well that's interesting. Rosenthal has changed the way he does these. A lot more thorough.

I'm sure they're going to look for an NFL QB in the draft, but if the guy isn't there in the 1st and Taylor plays as he has been playing, we'll be rolling with Taylor very likely, who is also a true NFL QB Ignore me. Geez dude take your own incessant advice.

Okay... so it was all sarcasm. All good Sarcasm really doesn't translate well on an Internet message board. Just something to consider in the future if you get this upset at people "pulling you into an argument" over comments you don't actually mean seriously.

Dude... what the hell? You literally just said you were being sarcastic about the Ws and Ls. So, you weren't being sarcastic? You put Ws and Ls on the QB that much? If you do (and who knows because the way you post is all over the place a lot of the time), that's just ridiculous. Wow. So Taylor can play like utter crap for the next 9 games, but if our D rises up and plays as good or better than it's played so far and we win 7 or 8 games in our next 9, suddenly Taylor is good enough for you? Shady, you're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is a bad one.

Well, okay. That's only happened once for this team on the final drive in Carolina. In that drive, Taylor was excellent in an otherwise awful game. Barring a nice completion to Holmes called back on a questionable OPI and/or Zay Jones losing the rookie hiccups, we probably would have won and would be 4-0 right now. We didn't. But at a time we had to abandon the run, Taylor had us moving down the field pretty efficiently.

Oh, so you were just trolling. Or joking. Or whatever. Got it

Bang, it should be a silly question, but I'm trying to figure out what the heck Shady is thinking considering he said the notable stat of Taylor's value is "3 wins 1 loss." It's head scratching to me the way people still attribute QB play almost solely to Ws and Ls.

You're constantly all over the place and it's really to follow your thought process regarding Taylor. Simple question, then. If the Bills go, let's say 11-5, make the playoffs, and win a game, is that then absolute validation that Taylor is the guy? Yes? No?

C'mon man... really?

This, I think, is the point.

I don't think McDermott cares much about offensive production or getting first downs when the team is ahead. You can just see how uber conservative he gets at that point, like when Taylor did that little QB sweep on 3rd down just before Hauschka's final 55 yard FG in Atlanta. I was actually screaming at the TV in the bar in terms of how conservative that play call was. But it worked. He looks unbelievable so far this year. He really does. Oh, it has to be 2 scores? I really wonder whether or when or how often this team is even going to be down by 2 scores this season with this defense, but if the team goes down by 10 (2 scores) and he plays well and brings the team back, is it then going to turn into 2 TDs rather than 2 scores? I actually thought to look that up mainly because I kept thinking Taylor has been constantly making plays this year when he needs to.

We've trailed for almost half the time the team has played thus far. I'd have to look up the total amount of minutes, but it's not an insignificant amount of time. He's thrown the ball 49 times when the team is trailing. That's just a hair under 50% of his total passes.

Mods, feel free to merge this with another thread if you want, but this stat isn't something you can just find. You need to go to the ESPN splits for every single QB in the NFL to find this particular stat... so I figured it deserved some discussion, since it has been a point of criticism for Taylor in 2015 and 2016. Tyrod Taylor has the 3rd highest passer rating in the NFL when trailing the opponent. #1- Alex Smith at 136.2 #2- Russell Wilson at 115.7 #3- Tyrod Taylor at 114.2 That's significantly better than 2015 (95.6) or 2016 (92.5) and I think it's something to put your finger on in terms of an area of improvement. He's also 8/19 (42.1%) with 1 TD on 3rd downs when trailing. Look, he's doing what he's asked to do when he's asked to do it and he's doing it at a pretty high level. The Bills have actually been ahead the majority of the time this year, and on the year, when the Bills have been either trailing or tied with the opposition, Taylor has thrown 74% of his passes (at a 69% completion %) for 77% of his yards and 80% of his TDs. He's also been a more efficient runner when trailing or tied. He's gained 75 yards at 5.8 YPC, as opposed to the 43 yards at 2.4 YPC when the team has been ahead.

But he's not being asked to score more. In fact, he really isn't even passing the ball very much at all when the team is ahead. I guess that's my only question if you're using the word "rankings," I feel like it should consider how the QBs perform when they are called upon. Again, that's all just my opinion. The Bills have actually been ahead the majority of the time this year, and on the year, when the Bills have been either trailing or tied with the opposition, Taylor has thrown 74% of his passes (at a 69% completion %) for 77% of his yards and 80% of his TDs. When the team has been behind, he has a 114.2 Passer Rating, which is 3rd best in the NFL. So, when called upon, he's performed.

Being a QB. Yes. It's my opinion. Great work. Don't mean to imply this isn't really interesting. I just think Taylor is pretty obviously better than the 23rd best QB in the NFL right now.

So if you're truly going to call this a "QB ranking" don't you think you should factor in teams and defenses played and find a way to put that in the formula similarly to how footballoutsiders does with DYAR and DVOA?

Would you mind explaining the columns you have there? That last column to the right, what formula do you use to come up with that? Are you saying that you think Taylor has had the 23rd best start to 2017? This sure seems to put a lot more weight in volume than efficiency if that's the case. I think you've at least got a put them in the top 15.

That's because to me Taylor isn't a transcendent talent, but with the right offense of system, coaching and playcalling I think he can be really good. Like top 10 good. When I wanted him gone last year after the Pittsburgh game it was largely because I thought our coaching staff wouldn't be fired at the end of the year. Quarterbacks improve with playing time and experience, but that doesn't mean they're going to become different QBs than they were in the beginning. Taylor has demonstrated the ability to be a competent starting QB in the NFL since he first took the field in 2015. He still might not be our starter next year, but he's going to be starting somewhere in the NFL. So no, despite you trying to be tricky here, I've never been one of those anTy guys who shouts things like "he's no better than a back up QB" or "he's just in our being playing QB," but I'm also not the homer who thinks he's going to become the next Drew Brees have painted me to be.

Well said Brother

My bad... can I keep the kids at my back so I can grab your ass? Yeah. Opinions certainly are fun. Especially when they're based on the truth.